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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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#5701
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Auresta wrote...

Is there any audio that shows clearly Mark Meer's voice?

dl.dropbox.com/u/26913187/end003_catalyst_m_D_Int.021.ogg

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xDarkspace wrote...



FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


When catalyst says wake up i can hear talis voice saying wake up behind it.


Are you sure about this? I think this is only an echo...but if not... OH MY GOD :D

#5703
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Malanek999 wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Is there a public holiday in Canada today? Can't really see much activity from any BW employees on the forums?

I would really like to know what they think of this thread.


They've been running crunch time for awhile now, they're most likely on personal holiday so they don't burn out. Give it a week or two and we'll probably get some announcment.


Also: Holy crap guys slow down with this thread. *Starts reading 150 new pages*

Modifié par Ecmoose, 13 mars 2012 - 01:15 .


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Auresta wrote...

Is there any audio that shows clearly Mark Meer's voice?


Play any of the conversations with the "Catalyst", turn volume up and hold the right headphone to your ear. It's easy to hear on some parts... but I also have a good headset.

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FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!


Watching these 2 variations of the destroy ending, I wondered, why on Earth would the red magic do something else depending on your war assets. Low EMS : Earth destroyed, people turn into ashes. High EMS : "Yay" soldiers

Unless it was all in Shepard's head, dun dun dun.

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In the last dream sequence before the attack on Cerberus Shepard finds himself and the child burning. What could that mean?

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Even if this is the final ending you have to give it to Bioware for making it so damn confusing with so many references that we made a novel about it in less than a week on a thread.

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Pojingu wrote...

@masseffect so providing we break indoctrination and survive will the real fight with Harbinger begin? ;)

@gamermixz We smell trickery


I can't find this on their twitter...

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eoinnx03 wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.


If so BioWare is not ready to say the final ... I know friends are reselling the game. Posted Image


4 of my friends went back to gamestop and sold it. 2 of them were pretty angry.


people get so irrational when their angry...if only they stepped back and took the time to analyze what they just saw like most of us...

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can somebody find the clip from cookedpc directory where he says wake up. thx

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Fattness132 wrote...

Militarized wrote...

Auresta wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.


holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out


Ugh... what am I listening to? Doesn't he say that in the game? 


He does say it in game, but listening close you can hear male and female shepard's voices behind the kid's. Why would he speak with the voices behind him unless shep was having some kind of hallucination / dream?


Exactly!

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Kumekerion wrote...

Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?


It's most likely more complicated than that...

Can you change the time/date on the Xbox 360 and PS3?

If not, I have a theory...

What's the theory?
And you can change it while offline. I threw the date to max(2025)
Thought I doubt anything will come of it.
I'm testing it now.


Well my theory was this:

PC requires an Internet Connection. If the true ending, assuming there is one, was to be released at a certain data/time, I'm sure it would need to double check that it was sync'd with Internet Time.

Since Xbox 360 and PS3 do not need to be connected to the internet to play I assumed that it didn't matter because you couldn't change date/time anyway.

However, you can change the date and time (which should have been obvious to me), so my theory is invalid.

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I've also seen a lot of ppl mention Vega and the humming. Can anybody post a video or audio clip, or at the very least what Vega actually SAYS.

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Turtlicious wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

We find the get infiltraitor to be a efficient model.


Geth do not infiltrate 


Geth do not intentionally infiltrate,




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lavosslayer wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.


If so BioWare is not ready to say the final ... I know friends are reselling the game. Posted Image


4 of my friends went back to gamestop and sold it. 2 of them were pretty angry.


people get so irrational when their angry...if only they stepped back and took the time to analyze what they just saw like most of us...

I could never have sold Mass Effect, I'm still pissed and upset, but the thought  never occured to me.

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Auresta wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.


holy **** I know it was put up a while back but I just found a quiet place to listen to it and I'm freaking out


Holy Guacamole what is that!!!!!? Are we seriously being trolled right now? =]

#5717
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Bfler wrote...

In the last dream sequence before the attack on Cerberus Shepard finds himself and the child burning. What could that mean?


If you go with what the child wishes, you'll go down to

#5718
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Starting to think everyone with the "wake up" line should maybe check with a computer program or something and see how many voices can be distinguished behind it. Since someone suggested they heard Tali's.

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As I play through some of ME3 with this ending in mind it seems like there are hints of it everywhere. Maybe it's just wanting to find things, but I'm almost positive this is the new ending.

Anyone remember the mind-blowing ending of KOTOR?

They just upped the ante.

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BadlyBrowned wrote...

RE: The Player indoctrination Theory of the OP. Sort of rambling on, but here we go:

Indoctrination is suppose to dominate one's free will. Both Saren and TIM were shown to have very powerful wills, enough to resist the indoctrination process for a time, but ultimately succumb. 
Shepard is different though, Shepard actually has NO free will. Shepard is *our* avatar, his will is our will. Bioware could write up a whole bunch of different stuff to do to Shepard to convey Reapers attempts at indoctrinating him, but Reaper indoctrination simply does not work for Shepard because ultimately Shepard will is bound to the whims of the player.

Thus, with the "crucible" being a test, indoctrination being the domination of one's free will, and with the players being the source of Shepard's "free" will, it makes sense to me that the Reaper God Child's sudden appearence serves as a test of wills, the Reapers versus the Player. Shepard appears to be on the cusp of entering the Citadel and defeating the Reapers when he is hit with a laser. Could it be that this attempt at indoctrinating Shepard/The Player serves as the Reapers last gasp at avoiding their own extinction? At this point, the only real thing that could prevent Shepard from not destroying the Reapers is, well, you. So, like the Player Indoctrination Theory states, these last few minutes of the game perhaps serve as a way for the player to expierence just what it is like to come under the influence of indoctrination. That Shepard only "wakes up" in the destroy ending seems very telling right there, to me. 

Yeah, it's a huge stretch, but what the hell, it makes more sense than taking the endings at face value, imo.


This is EXACTLY what I have been thinking!!

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this is what i thought, after the illusive man. and he gets carried up to the top by the floor. it seemed like it was all dreamed up. Also the choices dont seem logical, destroy a tube makes the cruible destroy the reapears? or holding onto the conduits control the reapers, and sacfricing yourself unites them. It seems like metaphors more than weapon/device triggers.

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smah wrote...

I've also seen a lot of ppl mention Vega and the humming. Can anybody post a video or audio clip, or at the very least what Vega actually SAYS.

"Do you hear that hum? Is that just me?"
He says it if you click him for dialogue a lot.

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This might have been touched on but Fulgerstyle1989 wanted me to post a video about indoctrination. Here ya go.

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thePredator50 wrote...

Pojingu wrote...

@masseffect so providing we break indoctrination and survive will the real fight with Harbinger begin? ;)

@gamermixz We smell trickery


I can't find this on their twitter...


https://twitter.com/...328119042347009 

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Alright, that's it, confirmed.

Modifié par thePredator50, 13 mars 2012 - 01:22 .