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[crimsontotem]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

DerNix wrote...

Sadly I have to admit that I do not believe in a hallucination anymore.

Let's assume there would be an ending DLC:

The hallucination thing would work well with only one ending and only when Shepard survives (EMS must be over 4000) the blast!

But what's with the other endings? It just doesn't work with them. There cannot be a "game over" popup or something like that. That would be a slap into people faces who have chosen the middle and left - and not enough EMS.

So there has to be another conclusion.

The other two endings are giving in to indoctrination.  Shepard only wakes up if you do what you set out to do...destroy the reapers.  In Shepard's mind, this is just breaking their hold.  Controlling the reapers is impossible, they control you.  Synthesis allows reaper code to be inserted into organics, the control everyone.  Destroy is the only good option, but is presented to you as the bad option by the reapers.  It makes perfect sense.

second this. For to the Reapers, especially Harbingers, breaking Shepard's will is more significant then breaking him physically for Shepard was one adamant son of a b*** to him. It would definitely prove his and other Reapers point to Shepard's sorry ass: Everything you did was inevitable and Organics are weak  

[Odd Bet]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

...aaand, choosing either of the "bad" options could easily be amended by someone saying "SHEPARD, WAKE UP!" Followed by a scene of Shepard realizing how he had momentarily given up and finding his resolve again.

Followed by Harbinger taunting him that, when it came down to it, Shepard was weak and gave up?

Could be interesting.

[krystalevenstar]

I'm noticing more people are coming around to this line of thinking. Within the last hour there have been 2 separate new threads speculating if the ending is all a hallucination.

[TheRevanchist]

This does make too much sense to not be true. But I must beg the question, when has any of our fan theories on BSN EVER been correct? I mean really. nothing we've ever said has ever been confirmed correct has it? I dont hang out here all the time so I cant say for CERTIN but....

[Solduri]

you know the ending is bad when you have to say "it was all a dream!"

[AlCord]

I hope you are all right and I am wrong now... I really hope :/

[Kitten Tactics]

More evidence from the other thread:

"If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control."

- start after 00:43.

[mupp3tz]

At this point, I'm at that state of denial where even if Bioware said "No, it was real! That's what happened. *trollface*" I'm going to choose to go with our theory. At least, then, I'll have a higher chance of replaying the game and not looking at my CE's with resignation.

[mupp3tz]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

More evidence from the other thread:

"If you also notice when Anderson tells you come on when you see the boy at the beginning you hear a growling noise after you turn your attention away from the boy, which if I remember correctly from the third book (I can't seem to remember the name of it now) when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control."

- start after 00:43.

I don't know about this... the noise could easily be ALOT of things.  It could be the sound of an attacking or damaged Reaper outside or infrastructure damage.

[IronSabbath88]

You could easily still play a hallucination type thing if you chose Control or Synthesis. The tease is just there for people who did a lot of work and "caught on" to the entire ploy of the Reapers.

That's how I see it.

[Kitten Tactics]

It seems odd that it would be timed for the EXACT moment that Shepard turns away.

[lookingglassmind]

I hate when I don't trust my instincts! From the demo, I swore that the kid was not real. I thought there was something off about him, but I couldn't pinpoint it. I knew that I was wondering why Anderson didn't seem to acknowledge what Shepard was looking at, and I wondered what that weird sound was when Shepard was forced to step away, but I allowed suspension of disbelief to take me. And then, again, that weird feeling of something being off when the child climbed aboard the shuttle without seeming to be noticed by the soldiers standing upon it. But I let it go, thinking that it was just something about the way the scene had been graphically created -- I was wrong, somehow. I thought that Shepard's preoccupation with the child throughout the game made sense on a mental health level -- I thought the child was a PTSD-esque flashback that represented the horror of the war (and the impending doom) to Shepard. But I fully believe it now -- this was Harbinger/indoctrination making an early attempt upon Shepard.

[krystalevenstar]

The child also says 'You can't help me', which could be taken as a demand like, whatever you do, you -can't- help me, if he is representative of the reapers.

Edit: You know what, that kid does not exist. What child of that age would not IMMEDIATELY seek the aid of the nearest adult in an apocalyptic event like that. He wouldn't run away. Shepard has been imagining that kid the whole damn time, son of a ****.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 11 mars 2012 - 12:37 .

[FugitiveMind]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

At this point, I'm at that state of denial where even if Bioware said "No, it was real! That's what happened. *trollface*" I'm going to choose to go with our theory. At least, then, I'll have a higher chance of replaying the game and not looking at my CE's with resignation.

I am in total agreement with this

[Kitten Tactics]

Or simply to mean that he can't be saved because he isn't real. Shepard literally can NOT grab his hand.

[AlCord]

Ok this boy in this hatch was really weird when he said "you can't help me". I asked myself why is he telling me that? But forgot about it as the game went on...

[IronSabbath88]

It's a brilliant move if it's really going to happen. You could say that BioWare withheld the actual end to avoid possible leaks. Because come on, look how many other Triple A games got leaked. Gears 3 anyone? Everyone commented on how the ending was terrible because it got leaked early, as did Dom's death.

BioWare could've figured "hey, let's withhold the ending for now" to prevent that sort of thing.

[krystalevenstar]

I think that we're onto something about the kid, pre-dream/starchild. I think the only time we see that actual child existing is when Shepard is watching him out the window at the opening of the game. Every time after, Shepard is the only one who sees him. I found it remarkably hard to swallow that one of those marines wouldn't have pulled his ass in as he scrambled into the shuttle, but I attributed it to the chaos of everything with the attack initially.

[lookingglassmind]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

It's a brilliant move if it's really going to happen.

I am... cautiously thinking the same thing.

[AlCord]

Perhaps it is a hallucination merged with the idea that Shepard was a bit indocrinated by the Reaper artifact from The Arrival. That's why nobody cares about the boy except Shepard.

Rana Thanoptis killed herself, because she could see and hear things and she was under Reaper influence at least 3 years ago

[krystalevenstar]

Was the growling Reaper thing talked about in the 3rd book? I only read Ascension and Revelation, hadn't gotten to Retribution unfortunately :/

[mupp3tz]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

It seems odd that it would be timed for the EXACT moment that Shepard turns away.

Perhaps to reinforce the sense of urgency that Shepard and Anderson need to move.  The same noise can be heard at 1:37  (the background noise, and not the piece of metal they're moving).  I think it's just a generic Reaper noise.  From my point of view, I think the beginning interactions with the child in the beginning actually happened.  It's something that has haunted Shepard and continues to dwell on his head, which is something the Reaper was able to manipulate later on.  The child has become a representation of Shepard's futility.

[omgBAMF]

Adding to the dream/hallucination idea.... did anyone else think it was rather odd that Anderson "made it in behind you" after teleporting to the citadel? My first reaction was "WTF... I was the only dude standing around." I even took the time to look around instead of gimping straight towards the conduit beam.

I have to agree, there are a lot of things out of place after getting hit by Harbinger. Let's hope this theory is close to fact.

[Lotarion]

ok so about the KID. He is not real. Why? 

Just hit "New Game". The same Kid is playing with a Normandy model and Shepard is looking at him when Vega comes in. FIRST SCENE OF THE GAME! Isn't it wierd that same Kid is later hidding? He said "You cannot save me" - abandon all hope Shepard! And he dissapears without a single sound. And then Shepard sees him for THIRD freakin time dying in a blast. I don't know about you guys but to me it is a bit wierd...

P.S. Sorry for my bad english, it's late and my in-head translator is almost asleep.

[krystalevenstar]

That growling might match the 'ominous tone' I mentioned in the last dream sequence when Phantom Shep, embracing the child, makes eye contact with real Shep. Daaaammn, we might actually be unraveling this thing.... but at the same time I'm internally kicking myself for getting my hopes up XD