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[Jaulen]

If this whole Indoctrination/Dream sequence was true.....I would worship at the Altar of Bioware forever....it would be BEYOND amazing that they did this......

[bankesrule]

If you remember back in ME1 at the end, when you fight saren, is his indoctrination with Sovereign. And whether or not you did paragon or renegade side, he still kills him self (well you know up until the part where sovereign takes controls of his body). ME3 is actually giving you the choice to a) follow the indoctrination by controlling the reapers, which looks goo because its paragon, but really it isn't because if you do this Shepard is still indoctrinate and harbinger wins ,or destroying the reapers. which looks bad to most people, but is actually the good of way going about the situation, that is if your EMS is past 4000, and combat readiness is enough to give you that, (which is dumb considering you have to play multiplayer to actually get it up). But ME3 at the end gives you the choice on a) following the indoctrination on which harbinger gives before you supposedly finish the game and you control the reapers, or destroying the reapers, on which basis breaks the indoctrination and gives the choice to actually kills the reapers, that brings up the idea conception  for a DLC, that which will for sure come out for this game to fix and finish the actual ending, to one of the best games ever made.

[MrWahloh]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

MrWahloh wrote...

They will not release it on a Date/Time basis. If they did you should have the data in your installation folder, which is impossible because datamines would have found it.

It'll probably be a DLC or Patch.

Only problem with that is...

Not everyone has or uses the internet when they game.

Why would they risk it?

Do you want a different ending or follow up? Get internet connection, not that hard. Can't imagen people still lack an internet connection at home.

[Lost Cipher]

JasonTan87 wrote...

For the newcomers, welcome to the thread!

Keep thinking, Keep hoping, but most importantly, keep your objectivity.

JasonTan87 wrote...

Keep in mind; with such an ending without a closure, it is very easy to see what we each want to see. It's very easy to read into the narrative and find things that are not there. Hope, combined with emotional desperation, makes a most persuasive force. (This reminds me of TIM's own failing)

I myself am wary of giving the writers too much credit; especially in instances where there is the possibility of me deluding myself into making a masterpiece out of someone's sloppy work. Traditionally, Mass Effect followed fairly conventional soap-opera conventions. Unlike the Matrix, which sought to question reality from the onset, we do not have this meta-narrative coming from the last two games. Making the last 20 minutes of Mass Effect 3 into a post-modern meta narrative that is an 'indoctrination' of the player; while entirely plausable, is unlikely.

The thing is, we can't tell if this is deliberate just yet. I'm most willing to buy into this theory, but I can't help but ask myself:

If this was really true, why hold the 'real ending' back? Why not just release it with the rest of the game, and be credited for the stroke of genious? Why risk the fan backlash? Why look sloppy when you can look good right off?

Why troll us, their fans?

You know, they could have just told us in a press release, with a sly smile, that it's not over yet. Then they wouldn't have any of this PR firestorm on their hands.

Even if it was true, the current state that ME3 was released in (supposedly a complete game out of the box) is also paramount to bad writing. The narrative, as it is now, it violates the reader-writer contract by not offering the real ending to provide closure to the story. Even if there was an overarching meta-narrative embedded within, the writing must be consistant and clear enough for us to reach that conclusion without having a 'panel' to 'interpret' the ending for us. Mass Effect 3 has neither.

The very fact that the 'panel' has to 'interpret' their vision to us shows how the narrative has failed to communicate the different levels of the narrative.

In addition; the whole crucible thing itself could have been handled more adequately. Hallucination is not an excuse for sloppy writing. The writing for the crucible onwards; while brillant if this theory holds true; still feels sloppy and rushed. Imagine how much more convincing if they had a fluent narrative without the gigantic plot holes, and the Normandy had a proper reason for running away with your crew all on it. It also end with Normandy getting knocked out of FTL, but not show the crew coming out of the Normandy on some random planet.

The fact that the ending feels rushed worries me; because such meta-narrative twists require a high level of finesse to pull off.

What worries me the most is that people are losing their objectivity, calling what what may very well be a rushed conclusion 'a stroke of genius'. We must never forget that Bioware is telling us a story, and the very fact that we are unable to see the structure of the meta-narrative clearly (if it even exists) shows an inability to communicate their artistic vision properly through the medium.

I agree completely. The biggest question being the practicality of this manuver if it is what we think it is. I tried to say the same thing in my post on page 226.

If people are mad now about bad endings, think of how some people will react when they learn they have to pay for the real ending... Why buy a future bioware title on launch when their is the concern that it won't have the real ending?

[MordiMoro]

lavosslayer wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

MordiMoro wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Oh. My. God.

http://dl.dropbox.co...m_D_Int.033.ogg

If Bioware really planned all this out...

Jeez. This would be the most gutsy move ever pulled by a company that I can think of.

If so BioWare is not ready to say the final ... I know friends are reselling the game.

4 of my friends went back to gamestop and sold it. 2 of them were pretty angry.

people get so irrational when their angry...if only they stepped back and took the time to analyze what they just saw like most of us...

Not all gamers are Sherlock Holmes ... an operation of this kind (if true) has never been made by any softwarehouse ... probably cut because the game was not finished and took time to develop the endgame.

Modifié par MordiMoro, 13 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[FrostByte-GER]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Starting to think everyone with the "wake up" line should maybe check with a computer program or something and see how many voices can be distinguished behind it. Since someone suggested they heard Tali's.

I'm pretty sure that this is an echo. Everything what the child says has an echo. Also the "wake up"...

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 13 mars 2012 - 01:24 .

[eoinnx03]

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

[Knight Terror]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

Maybe he wrote that ending long ago and they went with it.

[thePredator50]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

Was he fired from the project / Bioware? Perhaps just giving them the finger for it?

[Auresta]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

second half:
Drew Karpyshyn... fans upset about my #[/s]Revan[/b] novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference.

Modifié par Auresta, 13 mars 2012 - 01:25 .

[novaseeker]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Miss Vader wrote...

I posted this early- but due to intense postings i shall re-post

Anyone else think that Shepard IS the catalyst? Makes the voice synch with the boy make more sense

Shepard is the catalyst.  That's why he is the only one to take action.  And, don't take my word soley on this, I do believe it was stated that Shepard was the catalyst in the first script mined from the beta leak last year.

Exactly.  The kid is lying when he says he is the Catalyst.  Shepard is the Catalyst.  The kid is a projection of Harbinger, who is lyling through his teeth because the Reapers are well and truly on the ropes at that point.

[Sl4sh3r]

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

He probably wrote the end of the game before he was transferred/quit.

[Richard STIHL]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

MrWahloh wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Kumekerion wrote...

Again what if the true ending is on the disk and we can't access it until the appointed time? Has anyone tried changing the clocks of their devices to check?

It's most likely more complicated than that...

Can you change the time/date on the Xbox 360 and PS3?

If not, I have a theory...

What's the theory?
And you can change it while offline. I threw the date to max(2025)
Thought I doubt anything will come of it.
I'm testing it now.

Well my theory was this:

PC requires an Internet Connection. If the true ending, assuming there is one, was to be released at a certain data/time, I'm sure it would need to double check that it was sync'd with Internet Time.

Since Xbox 360 and PS3 do not need to be connected to the internet to play I assumed that it didn't matter because you couldn't change date/time anyway.

However, you can change the date and time (which should have been obvious to me), so my theory is invalid.

They will not release it on a Date/Time basis. If they did you should have the data in your installation folder, which is impossible because datamines would have found it.

It'll probably be a DLC or Patch.

Only problem with that is...

Not everyone has or uses the internet when they game.

Why would they risk it?

would be good reason to get internet

maby they put in on disk like awaking

[Lotarion]

on another note. Anderson told us that Reapers are sending people by the beam BOTH DEAD AND ALIVE. We saw only dead but there was nothing that could kill them (Keepers?). For me the strange part is that super comando Shepard was hit by the beam, but older admiral avoided it and got to the citadel completly unharmed...

[BadlyBrowned]

MissMaster_2 wrote...



This might have been touched on but Fulgerstyle1989 wanted me to post a video about indoctrination. Here ya go.

Hmmm. "hallucinations of ghostly presences" eh?

[Auresta]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

He probably wrote the end of the game before he was transferred/quit.

second half again since the pages are moving so fast: 
Drew Karpyshyn[/b] ‏ @[/s]DrewKarpyshyn[/b]
... fans upset about my #[/s]Revan[/b] novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference.

[Leonia]

Scottish_highlander wrote...

In case it hasn't been done yet
Creating a fake ending? Heavy risk....But the priiize!

Thanks for that, my day is now complete.

[thePredator50]

Auresta wrote...

eoinnx03 wrote...

Drew Karpyshyn ‏ @DrewKarpyshyn just said this on his twitter.
''Funny. Some upset fans say #ME3 was awesome until the end ruined it. Claim it would have been better if I was still on the project. BUT...''

Meaning?

second half:
Drew Karpyshyn... fans upset about my #[/s]Revan[/b] novel claim it was awesome until the ending ruined it. So maybe I wouldn't have made any difference.

lol, false alarm.

[Lugaidster]

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Cerrar
@voxthedevil We're confident you'll make the right choice. You better make the right choice!

That's another tweet. What do you guys think? Grasping at straws or more screwing with our heads?

[Dougremer]

byne wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

HOLD ON! I just played throught the ending and decided to end with destroy. But I didn't see any last breath of shepard?!
Did I miss something?

Gotta have 5000 EMS (or 4000 if you do every persuade option with TIM)

Hmm, my TMS is 5935 and the EMS (50%) is 2967. I thought that was high since the whole bar is green.
Maybe I just missed it? When is the breathing scene?

[panamakira]

Dougremer wrote...

HOLD ON! I just played throught the ending and decided to end with destroy. But I didn't see any last breath of shepard?!
Did I miss something?

I think you need 4000+ EMS to get that. Or maybe you needed a character import?

[CRISIS1717]

I don't think it's a hallucination. I think people are trying to make up alternative explanations because the current endings are inadequate.

[Auresta]

Lugaidster wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Cerrar
@voxthedevil We're confident you'll make the right choice. You better make the right choice!

That's another tweet. What do you guys think? Grasping at straws or more screwing with our heads?

They could say that to anything.

BUT I WOULD PREFER TO GRASP AT STRAWS

[Fattness132]

Lugaidster wrote...

Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Cerrar
@voxthedevil We're confident you'll make the right choice. You better make the right choice!

That's another tweet. What do you guys think? Grasping at straws or more screwing with our heads?

That could refer to many of the choices you have to make in the game (tali / geth conflict - tricking wrex / killing mordin), and not necessarily the ending.

[seitani]

If game ending is the final and legit ending to the trilogy i want to say that all of you did a hell of a job to correcting plot holes, actually making some mass effect ready material that should be on the game and making sense to this mess better than the highly paid writers who do this for a living.