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AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


I saw the no hair too. It really freaked me out, because I couldn't imagine why on earth the Reapers would take their hair and leave the bodies. Unless (since all the bodies are "supposedly" the Cerberus opperatives that TIM takes with him to take over the citadel) Cerberus makes all of their people shave their heads bald?

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Hmmmm, Did anyone here get to lvl 60 in their first playthrough?If so, how? I only got to 57.


Strange then. 

I did every single sidemission, all main missions and collected all artifacts etc. Ended up as only being lvl30-40ish. 

On my 2nd run now and dont seem like Ill make lvl50 this time either.


Did you import from ME1 and ME2?  I imported a full save and started as level 31, got to 58 I think by the end of the game.

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I left Kaiden to die in ME1 and those bodies were still wearing Ashley armor.

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JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


Can anybody check this?


I had the same. I thought it was realy weird too.

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CreepingGeth wrote...

I left Kaiden to die in ME1 and those bodies were still wearing Ashley armor.


A picture would be great for analysis.

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AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


That's a good question. I don't remember what mine looked like -- but it could have been Kaidan's. I'll have to go back and look...

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JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


Can anybody check this?

I have the game on, I'll go check.
I think it's just a generic body though, there were phoenix armors on the collector ship in ME2.

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JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


Can anybody check this?


I'll check this. I romanced Kaidan. I didn't even notice. Will have to replay that terrible ending.

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thePredator50 wrote...

Smoolio wrote...

Do renegades with ems +4k (5k) also get the wake up line? if so, CONFIRMED


I'm curious about this as well but... In my ending (paragon) I got the "wake up" line and Shepard DID NOT wake up after the Destroy ending.


very mysterious...We have to test...test alot options.  But...I can do it on afternoon :/ Can someone test all endings about the "wake up" line?

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SomeoneStoleMyName wrote...

De1ta G wrote...

Hmmmm, Did anyone here get to lvl 60 in their first playthrough?If so, how? I only got to 57.


Strange then. 

I did every single sidemission, all main missions and collected all artifacts etc. Ended up as only being lvl30-40ish. 

On my 2nd run now and dont seem like Ill make lvl50 this time either.


Did you import a ME2 character? That's how I got to such a high lvl in my first playthrough I thought.

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Just in case anybody didn't see, i found this on Tumblr of the tree behind Shepard before the beam.

http://retailavenger...-indoctrination

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Shepard: "Sovereign is controlling you through your implants! Don't you see that?!"

Saren: "The relationship is symbiotic. Organic and machine intertwined, a union of flesh and steel. The strengths of both, the weaknesses of neither! I am a vision of the future, Shepard -- the evolution of all organic life! This is our destiny. Join Sovereign and experience a true rebirth."

Shepard: [...] "Some part of you must still realize that this is wrong! You can fight this!"

So, there you have it. Sovereign itself was the one promising Saren that "Synthesis" was the way to go, and it was something that Shepard initially opposed. Probably not a good idea to trust Sovereign.



edit:  Phoenix armor on the bodies shows up no matter who you sacrifice on Virmine.  I still saw it, and I have Ashley.

Modifié par LenabotSE, 13 mars 2012 - 01:47 .


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This has probably been discussed, but since I'm here now, is it possible to find bodies to the squadmates on the walk to the conduit?

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JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


Can anybody check this?



YES YES YES! I saw this!

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thePredator50 wrote...

Skipped over last few pages - new Twitter update from Chris Priestly:

@BioEvilChris Would it be too much if I asked you something since you work at BioWare? It's not ****ing about ME3.

@KenRaves Shoot, I may not be able to answer, but I'll try.

@BioEvilChris During the final run, just before the end, are the two squadmates with you killed? I understand if you can't answer.

@KenRaves I don't think we've revealed that yet. Sorry.



That is HUGE! :o


Wow! How recent was this?


Really recent. I saw it on twitter and I flipped out. Are the going to reveal there's a bug they're fixing or Bioware just trolling with those endings?


With all the outrage over this, I don't think they can afford to troll us right now. People are already angry with this ending, but trolling everyone with cryptic messages would send the entire community into an all-out fury.

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Yup just reached the scene again and he told my renegade femshep to wake up and whenever I pick the destroy ending I get that shepard breathing scene.

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

This has probably been discussed, but since I'm here now, is it possible to find bodies to the squadmates on the walk to the conduit?


If your EMS is high, you don't see their bodies. If it isn't, you see their bodies.

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 Wasi the only one that noticed the keepers in the room full of bodies was working on a conole. THAT WAS'NT THERE!

#5844
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Little Lummo wrote...

Just in case anybody didn't see, i found this on Tumblr of the tree behind Shepard before the beam.

http://retailavenger...-indoctrination


The trees in the dream are different.



Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 13 mars 2012 - 01:48 .


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JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?


Can anybody check this?


It seems the female bodies wear Ashley's armor, and the male bodies wear Kaiden's, at least that's what it looks like to me, it's hard to make out.



LolaLei wrote...

Can anyone get a slowed audio copy of just the whispers you hear during the ending inside the Citadel? I'm trying to work out what it is the whispers are saying.

 

This is a promising lead.

#5846
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I didn't have +4k But got the wake up line in the last scene.

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Dougremer wrote...

I didn't have +4k But got the wake up line in the last scene.


About how much EMS did you have?

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I also want to add, the kid is a freakin reaper he say US and WE when refering to reapers. Correct me if I'm wrong here.

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Also bullets passed through the keepers as if they weren't there.

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FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

 Wasi the only one that noticed the keepers in the room full of bodies was working on a conole. THAT WAS'NT THERE!


Me too. I thought WHAT THE **** ARE THEY DOING?