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[ReclaimedHavoc]

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

[BlackDragonBane]

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Quick question: I never used one of the other armor suits (eg. Cerberus armor, Dragon Armor etc.) in my game. Does the broken armor shepard wear in the end change accordingly, or is it the N7 armor no matter what?

No, the destroyed armor defaults to the N7, though given the damage and the build similarities of the sets in the game, it can easily be written off as the heat of the laser scarred and melted the armor beyond any real recognition.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Ainyan42 wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

 Wasi the only one that noticed the keepers in the room full of bodies was working on a conole. THAT WAS'NT THERE!

Me too. I thought WHAT THE **** ARE THEY DOING?

i know its wierd because normally when you see them they are on a terminal, and if the dream is made up of familiar surroundings, then thats probably why they are acting like there is a terminal.

I found it strange because in the series, every time someone is killed on the citadel, they talk about how they have to rush to get the body before the keepers take it away and process it. But here's all these dead bodies and the keepers aren't trying to process them?

So we have 2 options here:
1. These keepers are mentally retarded and can't pay attention.
2.Dream

[Rheinlandman]

evillamor wrote...

So I hope they announce DLC for ME3 soon, or at least any plans that they would actually change the ending. Played until Priority Ranoch yet and taking my time but reading through the endings and watching the youtube Hitler ME3 Ending reaction....man I am gearing up for disappointment. Though I am fairly certain they have something planned for DLC's to fix this, the anticipation of it is killing me and I wish they would say something within the week just to simmer down the public outcry and assure fans that we weren't screwed over.

I think we will hear about a finale DLC at the PAX panel they have scheduled.

That is unless we wear them down before then ....

[Saint Op]

So was it said yet if the squadmates you take at the end are really dead...someone asked Chris P. on twitter & he said he can't say yet or something like that...

[Martukis]

Well, seeing the liquids and bodies piled around, I would not be surprised if this is where the bodies were taken for processing, but still... Awfully odd.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Anyone else find it disturbing the keepers are...tending...to the bodies?

Modifié par ReclaimedHavoc, 13 mars 2012 - 02:06 .

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Saint Op wrote...

So was it said yet if the squadmates you take at the end are really dead...someone asked Chris P. on twitter & he said he can't say yet or something like that...

Not confirmed really means not confirmed, believe it or not.

[Mr. Mistake]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

But he still died?

[Auresta]

Saint Op wrote...

So was it said yet if the squadmates you take at the end are really dead...someone asked Chris P. on twitter & he said he can't say yet or something like that...

If you have low EMS they are dead when you struggle to get to the beam. If you have high EMS, you don't see them. Either way they end up at the Normandy in the end. So no definite answer yet, even from twitter.

Modifié par Auresta, 13 mars 2012 - 02:03 .

[ceruleancrescent]

FugitiveMind wrote...

BadlyBrowned wrote...




So much win

Heeeeey, you swiped the exact pic from my demotivational!!

Someone had posted this gif on tumblr the exact moment I read the post on here mentioning it, so I swiped the gif to post on here because it fit too perfectly, there weren't any sources for it written. But if you made it, it's hilarious, so thanks 

[FLYING GRENADE11]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Anyone else find it disturbing the secrets are...tending...to the bodies?

You mean the keepers?

[Rompa87-2]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Quick question: I never used one of the other armor suits (eg. Cerberus armor, Dragon Armor etc.) in my game. Does the broken armor shepard wear in the end change accordingly, or is it the N7 armor no matter what?

No, the destroyed armor defaults to the N7, though given the damage and the build similarities of the sets in the game, it can easily be written off as the heat of the laser scarred and melted the armor beyond any real recognition.

Yet my Shepard came out of the beam without the expected third degree burns that would most likely have been inflicted if her armor basically metled of her.

You think you can get away with those details, BioWare?! I see right through you!

[neofayyt25]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

So, this has been brought up countless times but I'd like to reiterate myself just to create a more clear definition of how the story could continue.

Basically, everything from the point after Harbinger attempts to kill you is an illusion. There is enough in-game proof to support this theory. All of it is a hallucination created by Harbinger's final push to indoctrinate Shepard.

When we see Anderson and TIM at the console, it is the psychological manifestations of Shepard's Paragon and Renegade sides. The fact that Shepard is unable to have any real interaction during the majority of the exchange, forcing Shepard to witness the conflict. Even TIM attempts to force Shepard to kill Anderson, who is the vision of Shepard's resolve.

When talking to Catalyst, it becomes very obvious that it is not just simple a neutral controller for the Reapers, but serves the same purpose as the Reapers. It purposely paints the Destroy option as a bad idea and appeals to Shepard's armor and humanity to try and convince the Commander to pick both either Control or Synthesis. Even the colors on Destroy and Control are completely opposite of their true nature, considernig Anderson is shown on the Destroy side and TIM is shown on the Control side.

The three decisions boil down to these basic concepts

Destroy: Shepard resists Harbinger's final attempt at indoctrinating him/her
Control: Shepard wililngly gives into the indoctrination
Synthesis: Shepard is tricked into believing that this will finally bring peace and inadvertantly succumbs to indoctrination just like Saren did in ME1

The EMS score's role in this determines not only Shepard's available options, Catalyst's responses, or the outcome, but also the possible impact Shepard's hallucinated choice will have in the finale. Low EMS likely results in failure no matter which decision you chose. Your forces will be overwhelmed and destroyed by the Reapers and the cycle will continue.

However, with high EMS, these could be possible variants to the outcome.

Destroy: Shepard awakens and finds themselves buried under rubble, but alive. Harbinger is still twarting all attempts to reach the Conduit. With Shepard still alive, the resistence keeps fighting and make it to the Conduit and onto the Citadel to activate the Crucible and destroy the Reapers once and for all

Control: Shepard's very being and conciousness is absorbed by Catalyst and becomes a part of the Reaper control VI program, turning Shepard into a sleeper agent for the Reapers. He/she either awakens or dead body is found and taken by Reaper troops to be repurposed to being their next Vanguard.

Synthesis: Shepard's DNA and conciousness becomes apart of the Reapers, giving them a better understanding of humanity's tenacious will power. Either Shepard dies or becomes one of the Reapers themselves, carrying out the destruction of his own people and allies. That or you get the same sleeper agent ending as Control.

The ending possiblities are just my ideas of what could happen given the circumstances. Given that the titles for each option speak for themselves about the possible outcomes of the choices, it's wouldn't be too far off.

Very insightful, but I hope the ending DLC, if it does end up being a hallucination, will be a longer DLC then just that. Either that or it should be a dollar if not free like some of the optional armor and weapons DLCs. If anything, I hope that the DLC that they make will give us more insight on what is all happening as a whole, a better explination to the Reapers and a bunch more endings. Bioware has so much they could do with this game, even if they didn't plan on it, they just have to look at this thread! Not saying I don't think they didn't plan this, on the contrary, its too obvious to not have been a plan all along. Bioware truely is genius for this.

[Malanek]

BigBossBoo wrote...

Malanek999 wrote...

Also bullets passed through the keepers as if they weren't there.

Prob because they aren't hittable... that's more of just programming than on purpose.  Would've been interesting if they had some sort of reaction though.

Yep, I wasn't entirely serious in that post. I have come round to this idea but do think some of the arguments of support are a little err... hopeful.

[Auresta]

Mr. Mistake wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

But he still died?

You shoot him - when I first played I didn't notice but a gunshot is heard and you shoot Anderson, him clutching his torso. 

[ReclaimedHavoc]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Anyone else find it disturbing the secrets are...tending...to the bodies?

You mean the keepers?

Keepers, damn.
I'm so out of it, multi tasking the hell out of everything.

[Fattness132]

I have been reading these forums for the past 4 hours straight....this has given me hope that bioware has not totally destroyed one of my most beloved gaming franchises ever.

[FrostByte-GER]

phew...time to go to sleep. Gn8 guys. Tell me on afternoon if something important happend

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Auresta wrote...

Mr. Mistake wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

But he still died?

You shoot him - when I first played I didn't notice but a gunshot is heard and you shoot Anderson, him clutching his torso. 

He died, but I didn't shoot him, he just passed on.

[VironZ]

The ending should have been; Ghost kid warns of reaper destruction and what lies ahead, catalyst choice that only kills Reapers, happy ending cameos, shows you and your LI living happy ever after with kids and what not, depending on your choices in the game, shows how other characters have got on; Jacob with his wife, Jack being a teacher, Miranda and her sister all that ****, cameos of how the other planets are doing including Palaven, Thessia etc.

[Dougremer]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

[FugitiveMind]

No, this was mine that I put in the Demotivationals post yesterday...
I'd be amazed at the use of stock images but... yeah I don't really need to go there do I...

[Jackalope]

Lugaidster wrote...

This one: "GC: Why not? Synthetics are already part of you. Can you imagine your life without them?" is especially intriguing to me. That represents a change of pace or tone in the conversation. I giving you choice and then I say "why not you dumb ****! this is clearly the best choice PICK IT!" it's an exageration, but it certainly feels that way.

Those implants, man.

Maybe TIM turned down Miranda's control chip idea because he already knew the implants had another purpose?  Remember how in Overlord you're so wired up you can interface with David in his little virtual world?  And then you do it again with Legion (which means people that did not get any DLC were still exposed to this concept).

I'm thinking that maybe TIM's been dealing with the Reapers longer than I thought (I haven't read the comic books or the novel, so maybe I'm totally off).  But maybe the implants have also 'primed' Shepard, who resisted the Reapers in ME1.  Which would explain why they wanted him/her alive in ME2...they wanted to capture Shepard and turn him/her into a mockery of her original self.  They did it with the Collectors, and maybe the Keepers as well.

The whole conversation with the kid made me think the kid is the most unreliable narrator ever.  Heck, I picked the Renegade ending because he weaves about like a friggin lawyer.  So EDI and the geth wont survive the Destroy option?  But would they live in the other two either?  No answer.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

xDarkspace wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!

When catalyst says wake up i can hear talis voice saying wake up behind it.

Wow, you're totally right. I wonder if there are 7 or more voice files for "wake up!" I wonder if you'd hear anything if you romanced Thane, or if MIranda died if you romanced her, etc etc..