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[Dilandau3000]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Sounds more like an echo to me, but I could be wrong!

No, you're right. I have good ears and a very good sound system, and there's no trace of Tali's voice in there.

Still, the difference between the two cutscenes is interesting.

[Icinix]

The more I play the endings - the more I'm convinced it isn't the actual ending.

[trembli0s]

I have to say this seems to be more plausible than I originally gave it credit for.

Would this be the ultimate troll attempt or the ultimate form of user interaction from Bioware?

Guess we'll find out sooner or later.

[Kumekerion]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

VironZ wrote...

What was the point of the Shadow Broker videos in ME:2....

What was with Keeper 20?
What happened to Aria after Purgatory?
Why is your LI totally 'laxed about being stranded in random world after admitting deep love?
Why doesn't Harbringer do anything in the game?
Who the hell is Major Coates?
What happens to Hackett?

So much for closure, would have been nice for the game to end with you and your LI getting married or something like that, they should have got the BioShock writers to do the last ten minutes of the game... damn... BioShock 1 ending had me choking

I was expecting Ash to tell me she was pregnant or something, even more so after listening to the extended Anderson conversation. I really hope that is brought back with endings.

Coats is the sniper from some of the live action trailers. He mentioned being up in Big Ben for days while shep ride with him in the shuttle.

[neofayyt25]

Getorex wrote...

I like the idea that it was all a hallucination (a "Dallas" style dream? Ack!) and that it was an artsy-fartsy way to have the player experience "indoctrination". However, it is foolish if this is the case. Clearly. Being obtuse, being LSD, being inchoate is a BAD IDEA. At best only a small few will "get it" while the rest will be at a loss, left with a foul taste in their mouth, pissed off, and turned off. Bad idea in reality, nice idea IN THEORY ONLY.

In theory, practice and theory should be the same but in practice it isn't. This idea of artsy-fartsy 4-dimensional chess by Bioware is also the normal and initial response from the lost and bewildered. "Surely they didn't mean what it looked like they meant? Surely they were writing on a 'higher level' and we mere mortals have been slow to appreciate or grasp it? Surely?" I tend to Occam's razor. Rarely fails. Now they MAY have been going for a meta-experience of indoctrination (or not) for the player but, sorry, the actual mechanics of the attempt fall flat. If they are only wanting to please a fraction of a percent of the player base, then it's a win. A fraction of a percent will "get it" and appreciate it. Or Occam's Razor suggests they ****ed up.  Went for EA-style cash and ****ed the ending so they could suck more cash out of players seeking a rational ending. 

Going artsy-fartsy and "meta" is a fool's errand.  The vast majority of players are people out to play a good game and experience a good story and don't want nor expect artsy-fartsy meta-crap. They invested time and imagination and cash) in the game series and are emotionally invested in their character and their character's 'relationships'.  That all gets the porcelein throne treatment in the end.  Save the Rachni from absolute extinction?  Meh.  Save Rex and thus help bring the Krogan to a good future?  Bah.  Choose Ash?  Choose Liara?  Choose Tali?  Pffffttt!  Kill the Quarians and save the Geth?  Who cares?!  Save the Quarians and wipe the Geth?  Bupkis!  Save them both, end their silly war, and give the Quarians their homeworld back?  Pshaw!  None of that **** counts for...well ****. 

I got your "meta" right here! In my pants. Munch on that meta.

You honestly lost me at "artsy-fartsy".

[ReclaimedHavoc]

smah wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

TIM did that red shock thing, but I never shot Anderson. He just collapsed, and just died after the talk.

I'm sorry, but I'm greatly resisting the urge to call you "dense" right now. The "biotics" use is TIM falunting his new powers of control granted by the reaper inplants. When he does this, he control you, causing u to fire a shot which hits Anderson. He then dies from this wound after the talk.

I didn't call it biotics because it didn't look like biotics, it looked more like a red overload.
Still, sucks Anderson dies, being shoot or not. I guess they couldn't do it any other way.

But hey, we're all dreaming, who knows what's going on with Anderson, lol.

[panamakira]

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Yeah when Kaidan hinted at it I knew I had to destroy the Reapers!!!

[seitani]

Auresta wrote...

Saint Op wrote...

So was it said yet if the squadmates you take at the end are really dead...someone asked Chris P. on twitter & he said he can't say yet or something like that...

If you have low EMS they are dead when you struggle to get to the beam. If you have high EMS, you don't see them. Either way they end up at the Normandy in the end. So no definite answer yet, even from twitter.

That is pure laziness they can't be that lazy...can they?

[xDarkspace]

Tony_Knightcrawler wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Also...has anybody noticed, that the godchild says "wake up" only on high ems scores? I heared in my ending(3000ems) "Why are you here" there was no "wake up". Now I watched the best ending on YT. The child says "wake up".

But now, watch this: www.youtube.com/watch?v=JlyGL9Cqsxw#t=08m40s
And compare it with this vid:

Heared it? Another proof for the indoctrination theory!!!

When catalyst says wake up i can hear talis voice saying wake up behind it.

Wow, you're totally right. I wonder if there are 7 or more voice files for "wake up!" I wonder if you'd hear anything if you romanced Thane, or if MIranda died if you romanced her, etc etc..

lol be funny if behind catalyst voice tali says wak p then shep said where am i and behind catalyst voice tali's says the hospital

[Dougremer]

smah wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

TIM did that red shock thing, but I never shot Anderson. He just collapsed, and just died after the talk.

I'm sorry, but I'm greatly resisting the urge to call you "dense" right now. The "biotics" use is TIM falunting his new powers of control granted by the reaper inplants. When he does this, he control you, causing u to fire a shot which hits Anderson. He then dies from this wound after the talk.

Yes, interesting here though, mine was blue

[neofayyt25]

panamakira wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Quick question: I never used one of the other armor suits (eg. Cerberus armor, Dragon Armor etc.) in my game. Does the broken armor shepard wear in the end change accordingly, or is it the N7 armor no matter what?

No, the destroyed armor defaults to the N7, though given the damage and the build similarities of the sets in the game, it can easily be written off as the heat of the laser scarred and melted the armor beyond any real recognition.

1) Wearing the Collector's Armor well that's pretty distinguishable. 2) Dragon Armor also looks pretty different. Specially those shoulder pads....I don't know....

Both of those were the DLC armor from ME2 as in they just put it into the game for those that had them in 2 and might want them back. for the purpose of the story though, Shepard wears the N7 armor. Also, if you watch closely, Shepard always uses the default assault rifle in the cinematics. It's a bit lazy on Bioware's end but it's how they wanted it.

[K_Tabris]

False hope isn't going to solve the fact that certain Bioware writers deviated from what they were once good at and provided us with sh*t endings that left even more confusion in the first place.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

panamakira wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Yeah when Kaidan hinted at it I knew I had to destroy the Reapers!!!

I don't remember Ash saying anything like that...

[CaptnObvious]

I think the writers like Mac Walters kindof hate you guys, not because you aren't impressed by his writing, but rather because all of this is a much better idea and much better written then the endings we got.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Even though cross species pregnancy is virtually impossible, i want a half quarian half human child.<3

Modifié par FLYING GRENADE11, 13 mars 2012 - 02:21 .

[panamakira]

neofayyt25 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Rompa87-2 wrote...

Quick question: I never used one of the other armor suits (eg. Cerberus armor, Dragon Armor etc.) in my game. Does the broken armor shepard wear in the end change accordingly, or is it the N7 armor no matter what?

No, the destroyed armor defaults to the N7, though given the damage and the build similarities of the sets in the game, it can easily be written off as the heat of the laser scarred and melted the armor beyond any real recognition.

1) Wearing the Collector's Armor well that's pretty distinguishable. 2) Dragon Armor also looks pretty different. Specially those shoulder pads....I don't know....

Both of those were the DLC armor from ME2 as in they just put it into the game for those that had them in 2 and might want them back. for the purpose of the story though, Shepard wears the N7 armor. Also, if you watch closely, Shepard always uses the default assault rifle in the cinematics. It's a bit lazy on Bioware's end but it's how they wanted it.

Oh really? I just assumed everyone gets those special Armors? Weird......

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Dougremer wrote...

smah wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

TIM did that red shock thing, but I never shot Anderson. He just collapsed, and just died after the talk.

I'm sorry, but I'm greatly resisting the urge to call you "dense" right now. The "biotics" use is TIM falunting his new powers of control granted by the reaper inplants. When he does this, he control you, causing u to fire a shot which hits Anderson. He then dies from this wound after the talk.

Yes, interesting here though, mine was blue

I could've sworn it was red...I feel as if I should check.

Does anyone really care?

Modifié par ReclaimedHavoc, 13 mars 2012 - 02:19 .

[Gibb_Shepard]

It wasn't a hallucination. Bioware wouldn't have provided people with one right choice, and two wrong ones.

It may seem like a dream sequence because of how abrupt and completely incoherent it was, but it wasn't.

[Moshaaver]

I've been reading this thread since I beat the game yesterday. I'm not going to lie, this is one of the only games to effect me emotionally in such a powerful way. I felt awful when I found out about the actual endings.

You get a lot of people saying that this is some artistic choice, and then you have the people who say 'this is the best ending ever!' well I really disagree, if you've been with Shepard through all three games you'd be in the minority if you haven't grown attached to the characters and your own Shepard.

These three endings are all bad, yeah life goes on but what quality of life? No Mass Relays means no more Galactic Community, which for most planets and colonies means death. Think about the fact that Thessia, Tuchanka, Earth etc. have been completely devastated and now they don't have any support from other garden worlds less effected. So that means you're going to have massive starvation and more then likely a good solid war over the limited resources left. I mean, this has already been said probably a dozen times on here but it just doesn't make sense.

It doesn't make sense, and in an 'artistic' sense it didn't work. If these are the true endings, and it was meant to be some sort of Meta-Artistic 'extinction is preferable to submission' ending, then it has failed and it will lose Bioware a lot of fans just out of the fact that they really dropped the ball.

I really want to believe that Bioware is smarter then this, and I think they will have some trick up their sleeves. If it ends up that this is some sort of Hallucination as a result of Indoctrination and they release some free DLC or a pay-for ending dlc then I will gladly slap myself in the face, apologize to Bioware, and thank them for creating one of the greatest 'gotcha' moments I've ever experienced.

Also, I know the game is about sacrifice and what not and 'you can't save everyone'... but..... is it really so much to ask that Moshaaver Shepard lives out the rest of his days on Rannoch with Tali having ended the Reaper crisis and retiring a la General Cincinnatus? Is that really so much to ask?

I can tell you, that Bioware would make a lot of people permanent fans if they could pull something out of this. It may not be reality and it may not be likely, but the reason I play games is to escape reality right.... I like happy endings.

Epilogue: I really think this is a good thread, it took me from literally crying over the stupid ending towards having hope for the game.

[BlackDragonBane]

CaptnObvious wrote...

I think the writers like Mac Walters kindof hate you guys, not because you aren't impressed by his writing, but rather because all of this is a much better idea and much better written then the endings we got.

Maybe he'll take the hint we're trying to make here then...

Btw, your screen name is kinda perfect for this post. I'm not sure why, but I giggled a little.

[smah]

Dougremer wrote...

smah wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

TIM did that red shock thing, but I never shot Anderson. He just collapsed, and just died after the talk.

I'm sorry, but I'm greatly resisting the urge to call you "dense" right now. The "biotics" use is TIM falunting his new powers of control granted by the reaper inplants. When he does this, he control you, causing u to fire a shot which hits Anderson. He then dies from this wound after the talk.

Yes, interesting here though, mine was blue

Woah, didn' really notice the difference either. Mine was kind of a purplish color, which I guess for all intents and purposes is the same as your blue.

[VironZ]

Ecmoose wrote...

VironZ wrote...

What was the point of the Shadow Broker videos in ME:2....

What was with Keeper 20?
What happened to Aria after Purgatory?
Why is your LI totally 'laxed about being stranded in random world after admitting deep love?
Why doesn't Harbringer do anything in the game?
Who the hell is Major Coates?
What happens to Hackett?

So much for closure, would have been nice for the game to end with you and your LI getting married or something like that, they should have got the BioShock writers to do the last ten minutes of the game... damn... BioShock 1 ending had me choking

Major Coates is a Major in the Alliance who comes from the UK. Why do we need to know more about him? We see him when we land on Earth, he's clearly a soldier. Do we have to know the whole backstory of every NPC ever?

He was in the promo trailers last year for ME:3 and hinted throughout the game, even has a squad member, just seems a bit random to name an NPC character and give him a short backstory, when they easily could have just made it another NPC and Anderson picking you up in the Shuttle etc.

And we deserve a happy ever after ending for ME:3... its a game... its also the closure to a 5 year series, they could have at least hinted to a bad future but put light on future of your comrades instead of putting them in a random planet - thats just lazy, poor writing in the last 10 minutes.

[panamakira]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

panamakira wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Yeah when Kaidan hinted at it I knew I had to destroy the Reapers!!!

I don't remember Ash saying anything like that...

Well the fact I said Kaidan hinted at being pregnant should probably tell you I was joking. Usually men don't get pregnant. 

[VironZ]

panamakira wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Yeah when Kaidan hinted at it I knew I had to destroy the Reapers!!!

Ashley/Tali put forward suggestive statements, not outright, but at some point it seems that shes holding something back in one of the love you blah blah lines, nothing assured just hinted either that or hinting at the future. Pretty sure Ash/Liara does the same.

Modifié par VironZ, 13 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Ainyan42]

So, did everyone have their scars come back during the Citadel run? Because I didn't. My FemShep was covered in blood and had blood on her face, but no orange scars like at the beginning of ME2.