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[VironZ]

If their theory is right, Reapers arent destroyed as you wake up in the same location as the lazers hit you, outside of the beam thing, before you even enter the citadel again - like a game paradox where you cant advance from the indoctrination choices....

... if their right

[ArkkAngel007]

KitePolaris wrote...

I'm loving following people's theories. I'm still confused how the Reapers are actually destroyed though, if Shep is not actually experiencing anything.

Because Shepard isn't actually destroying them. 

[Niemack Saarinen]

kyrieee wrote...

I just noticed that when the kid runs into the building that gets blown up (where he hides in the vent), the door holo interface thingy is red, meaning the door is locked. So how the hell did the kid open the door? Plus it doesn't even make sense for him to be there since he was playing with his ship model in some yard earlier, which isn't connected to that building.

Confirmed- just checked my game recordings - the door is locked the entire time- as he runs away from the balcony the door opens but the hologram remains in the middle - red\\locked- then shuts and is still red\\locked.

[neofayyt25]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Even though cross species pregnancy is virtually impossible, i want a half quarian half human child.<3

I'm not sure about the others but Asari can breed with humans as they breed with all the different species. So a preggers Liara for my Shepard is highly believable.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Mini Jo wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

smah wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Dougremer wrote...

Martukis wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Also, another reason this could be Shepard hallucinating/indoctrinated is that during the scene with Anderson and The Illusive Man, they behave as if they are the devil and angel on your shoulder - One is in favour of control while the other favours destroy. When the God Child gives you your options you see the image of The Illusive Man trying to control the Reapers and Anderson trying to destroy them, both of them representing the two sides of Shepards subconcious. This seems highly suggestive of it all being in Shepards head.

I thought so too - and sometimes it seems like what they're saying might be to Shep, not each other, imo.

Yeah, and just looke how strange Anderson is behaving. And when TIM gets more "power" Shepard shoots Anderson.

What are the conditions that force you into shooting Anderson? I didn't shoot him.

Don't know, when TIM did something with his fist (biotics i guess) a shot was fired from my gun. I think, haha, need to check that again

/D

TIM did that red shock thing, but I never shot Anderson. He just collapsed, and just died after the talk.

I'm sorry, but I'm greatly resisting the urge to call you "dense" right now. The "biotics" use is TIM falunting his new powers of control granted by the reaper inplants. When he does this, he control you, causing u to fire a shot which hits Anderson. He then dies from this wound after the talk.

Yes, interesting here though, mine was blue

I could've sworn it was red...I feel as if I should check.

Does anyone really care?

I do, and mine was definitely blue.

Ok, I'll go check.
I'm playing Xbox, so I don't really have a way to get a picture, so just take my word for it.
I stil coulda swore I saw a red flash. Idk.

[VironZ]

boom

[panamakira]

VironZ wrote...

panamakira wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Yeah and your LI kinda hints of being pregnant

Yeah when Kaidan hinted at it I knew I had to destroy the Reapers!!!

Ashley/Tali put forward suggestive statements, not outright, but at some point it seems that shes holding something back in one of the love you blah blah lines, nothing assured just hinted either that or hinting at the future. Pretty sure Ash/Liara does the same.

That's kinda cool actually. lol I was joking though. Too bad my Fem Shep is too busy saving the universe to be thinking of mini-Sheps~

[Golferguy758]

Summary of the people who come in, read nothing, and just say it's rationalizing.
No you're wrong!
Provide counter argument, please?
BIOWARE IS THE DUMMYHEADS
Oh. Okay.

[Prince Keldar]

KitePolaris wrote...

I'm loving following people's theories. I'm still confused how the Reapers are actually destroyed though, if Shep is not actually experiencing anything.

I think people are saying (correct me if I am wrong) is that once Shepard gets hit by Harbinger, he is knocked unconcious and that everything after that is dream or hallucination.  If Shep selects the destroy option then he fought and rejected Harbinger's attempt at indoctrination.  He then wakes up back on Earth.

Then he goes to the Citadel for real to destroy the Reapers.  

I like this theory if it is not right then it is simple enough to make right and to make it in to a future DLC.  

[krystalevenstar]

JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?

Can anybody check this?

Oh ****, I totally noticed they had armor that matched that of Ashley (who died on Virmire) but it didn't even register o_o

[SomeBug]

I have a question, could someone answer it for me? I haven't kept up with the thread.

On Thessia, Shepard talks with the Prothean VI for a few minutes and it describes to him the purpose of the Crucible and its inception.

Then Kai Leng shows up and it says 'indoctrinated presence detected' and shuts down.

If Shepard was indoctrinated, why didn't it detect that he was, only Kai Leng? It seemingly has a device or function which enables it to detect indoctrinated people, even at range. Yet Shepard doesn't trigger these alarms.

This happens like right before the final mission too, long after the point where he first saw the child.

[Auresta]

krystalevenstar wrote...

JediNg wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

Sorry, I didn't get to read all of the pages yet, but I noticed something when limping in the hallway you first get beamed to on the Citadel. The piles of bodies all have a body wearing Ashley's famous phoenix armor, who I left behind on Virmire. Did that change for those who left Kaidan behind? And every body in the pile has the same face and no hair. That struck me as really odd. Maybe just lazy background stuff?

Can anybody check this?

Oh ****, I totally noticed they had armor that matched that of Ashley (who died on Virmire) but it didn't even register o_o

Someone mentioned that they use this for the people who got turned into collectors.. and that it's just default stuff. But it could be argued either way.

[Nightdragon8]

Nono I think I know what it is...

The whole thing was a halutionation from the time you talked to the Reaper back on Virmire. From that point you where Hallucinating. Think about, was able to destroy the cure got out with only losing 1 person, was able to steal a miltary ship without pursuit, then you "die" and was brought back later on, by the people you swore to fight against, just so he could use you to gather people for a suicide mission, which you end up surviving with everyone, And was able to get a new and improved ship to boot.

And really the dreams of the kid was the Citidel AI helping to convice you that you are doing the right thing, and when in the last dream you are standing beside him thus you have fully accpeted that you are indocernated. And in reality the last scene was more of a manifstation of the outcomes you wanted. Last act of defiance (like with everyone shooting themselves with the Para convo stuff) which would be destory the reapers, While with the full indocernation would be "taking control" or a new choice would be using it to make everyone the same.

[Vikali]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

I'm loving following people's theories. I'm still confused how the Reapers are actually destroyed though, if Shep is not actually experiencing anything.

Because Shepard isn't actually destroying them. 

So, they win in the end, then?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Alright, I check the color of the blast that hit Anderson (That the Illusive Man used), his hand was Blue, indicating Biotics, but the actual impact was red.
Idk if that means anything.

[Malanek]

Prince Keldar wrote...

KitePolaris wrote...

I'm loving following people's theories. I'm still confused how the Reapers are actually destroyed though, if Shep is not actually experiencing anything.

I think people are saying (correct me if I am wrong) is that once Shepard gets hit by Harbinger, he is knocked unconcious and that everything after that is dream or hallucination.  If Shep selects the destroy option then he fought and rejected Harbinger's attempt at indoctrination.  He then wakes up back on Earth.

Then he goes to the Citadel for real to destroy the Reapers.  

I like this theory if it is not right then it is simple enough to make right and to make it in to a future DLC.  

There are variations. I believe it is possible that shep has still gone up to the citadel and the events are still happening but his perception is completely screwed up by being indoctrinated. I do agree that taking the destroy option is most likely to defeat the indoctrination.

[BlackDragonBane]

SomeBug wrote...

I have a question, could someone answer it for me? I haven't kept up with the thread.

On Thessia, Shepard talks with the Prothean VI for a few minutes and it describes to him the purpose of the Crucible and its inception.

Then Kai Leng shows up and it says 'indoctrinated presence detected' and shuts down.

If Shepard was indoctrinated, why didn't it detect that he was, only Kai Leng? It seemingly has a device or function which enables it to detect indoctrinated people, even at range. Yet Shepard doesn't trigger these alarms.

This happens like right before the final mission too, long after the point where he first saw the child.

It's been explained several pages back but the reason the VI didn't detect indoctrination in Shepard because it can't detect the indoctrination unless it is at critical levels. Kai Leng was fulling indoctrinated and like has Reaper-based implants and prosthetics.

[Gowienczyk]

armor that matched that of Ashley (who died on Virmire) but it didn't even register

Do understand that the armor wasn't "unique", but it does allude even more to the fact it's an indoctrination-based hallucination.

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Icinix wrote...

The waking up scene may only be a bonus for completionists, kind of like the Master Chief and the ending on the highest difficulty.

If there is a DLC or another ending coming - its entirely possible that all Sheps will wake up in London perhaps indoctrination broken through other means, perhaps by TIM himself using the control system developed on Horizon...(WHAT A TWIST!) - OR - that unique save just before the end will allow you to go through and choose a new ending before it.

Edit : The TIM being doubtful at the end through most of the conversation never sat well with me - as TIM always came across who had total resolve in whatever he believed in - but from the total outset it was almost like he was looking for approval, or had doubts.

I always thought of TIM as very set in his ways. Being able to talk him down, just like I did Saren, harkens back to the dreaming-indoctrination hypothesis.  Also I assume the same that if we are to get "end game content" that it will include any and all Shepards waking up, to finish the fight. Should have just done that from the get go because seriously... "The events after the Reaper-beam make no god damn sense!"

[Verit]

I'll admit it's certainly an interesting read, but I'm still going to apply "Occam's razor" here and consider the endings to be real.

Still, something I haven't seen mentioned in the first post is that Shepard didn't seem to have the N7 logo on his armor in what is considered to be the "hallucination" part. I'm thinking that just part of the incoherence in the endings, but it would in fact fit the hallucination theory (I assume I'm not the first to notice that though).

[LadyVakarian]

 Hey Y'all,
I am the epitome of off-topic lately, but I thought adding songs that I felt fit with this would be a nice addition. Below is a link to the song with lyrics, and why I feel like it fits. Again, I know it's off topic, but everytime I hear these songs, I feel the need to share them :
(All songs are by the band Three Days Grace.)

Time of Dying (Shepard after the beam hits) : 

Get Out Alive (Both Fem and Bro shep, advice from the indoctrinated side to the unindoctrinated side)

Let You Down (Reapers talking to Shep, or Bioware to the disgruntled fans)

Riot (Feelings toward Bioware, or Shep about the Reapers as a pep talk before the final battle)

There are more, but I feel those fit the best.   Again, sorry for the off topicness 

[Golferguy758]

SomeBug wrote...

I have a question, could someone answer it for me? I haven't kept up with the thread.

On Thessia, Shepard talks with the Prothean VI for a few minutes and it describes to him the purpose of the Crucible and its inception.

Then Kai Leng shows up and it says 'indoctrinated presence detected' and shuts down.

If Shepard was indoctrinated, why didn't it detect that he was, only Kai Leng? It seemingly has a device or function which enables it to detect indoctrinated people, even at range. Yet Shepard doesn't trigger these alarms.

This happens like right before the final mission too, long after the point where he first saw the child.

Shepard has the beginning stages of indoctrination, but it has not reached a critical level to set off a warning. Unlike Kai Leng, I believe

[Mini Jo]

SomeBug wrote...

I have a question, could someone answer it for me? I haven't kept up with the thread.

On Thessia, Shepard talks with the Prothean VI for a few minutes and it describes to him the purpose of the Crucible and its inception.

Then Kai Leng shows up and it says 'indoctrinated presence detected' and shuts down.

If Shepard was indoctrinated, why didn't it detect that he was, only Kai Leng? It seemingly has a device or function which enables it to detect indoctrinated people, even at range. Yet Shepard doesn't trigger these alarms.

This happens like right before the final mission too, long after the point where he first saw the child.

The "theory" implies that Shepard isn't indoctrinated enough for the VI to detect it. And the second time Shep talk with the VI, its securities for it has been overriden by TIM, so maybe it could've detected it at that time.

[byne]

At the beginning, when the shuttle the kid is in is destroyed by the Reaper, did anyone find it odd that the Reaper destroyer just let the Normandy leave?

And when they run into another Reaper Destroyer on Tuchanka, doesnt everyone act like its a new type of Reaper they havent seen before?

Seems odd.

[krystalevenstar]

thePredator50 wrote...

There you go, screenshots of the bodies.

http://i.imgur.com/ZzPZT.png
http://i.imgur.com/brw7M.png

I left Kaiden on Virmire.

I notice all the Pheonix armor ones are distinctly 'breasted', making it representative of Ashley.
It's Shepard's psyche ya'll.