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[Mini Jo]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

kyle darrah ‏ @kyleDarrah · Open
@masseffect its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@kyledarrah Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
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Alright, I can't be the only one so I'm gonna say it. I think we need to release these tweets as is and then "translate" them for people like me who think they're looking at an ancient, lost language. Seriously, I have no idea what this says. I swore it wouldn't happen, but I am becoming my father. 

I don't understand why people don't just do this: 
https://twitter.com/...399052948025344 

Is it clearer now ?

[Gowienczyk]

AnnaExMachina wrote...

So what would happen to Shepard if she defeats the Reapers with slight indoctrination? I'd hope that without the Reaper influence that she'd be fine, or would she hear the whispers for the rest of her life?

If you destroy the source, I imagine the conncetion dies.

[Sl4sh3r]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Shah138 wrote...

I was over on another forum and the point was brought up that in one of the endings it is possible to only have the destroy option available. If that's true than doesn't that punch a hole in this theory?

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62225565

Don't think so...

http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings

When destroy is the only option available, every synthetic and organic being gets wiped out. In the scene, the repears are destroyed, but the human soldiers are also incinerated. It was also discussed that you get this option when you have really low EMS.

When is it the ONLY option available?

I'm assuming you mean:
If your Readiness Rating is at 1,750 you can choose to destroy the reapers, but Earth is still destroyed.

BUT:
With a Readiness Rating of 4,000
you can choose to destroy the Reapers, and you can interrupt The
Illusive Man to "save" Anderson. Shepard also lives in this scenario.

I had around 4k on my first run and I had all 3 options. I don't think these explain the ONLY options. I think they're explaining the added options to each predecessor.

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 13 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[Jackalope]

See, I felt the idea of forshadowing indoctrination was there all along.

Mass Effect 1: Not much going on here, and any time you deal with a Reaper, you're with squandmates.  But you're introducted to the theory.  Shepard also demonstrates an ability to interface with Prothean technology, which impresses Liara.  I mean, you're brain is rearranged now.  You've picked up an extincted language.

Mass Effect 2: Reaper technology is used to rebuild you, including implants that alter your appearence, exposure to a Reaper ship that drove everyone nuts, Overlord where you interface with technology, Arrival where you're sitting next to Reaper tech and assume control of a mech.  The implants and Arrival are the big deals because those do not involve your squandmates, which would explain why Tali and Garrus, present in all three games, isn't going insane.

Mass Effect 3: I think we've discussed a lot of things going on already in this tread, so I won't repeat it.  But I would like to point out that during Shepard's waking hours, everyone is bugging Shepard on he mental condition.  "Are you okay?"  "Let's look at your implants."  "Anderson is worried about you."  Also, you have that asari from the first game that  you spared...she also goes nuts.

I guess what I'm trying to say is that no matter how you play the game, or if you download the DLC...there are so many things that 'stack' against a sane Shepard.

Does anyone else feel like TIM pulled out Shepard's body, gave him/her a ton of mechanical enhancements without consent, just to deliever a new Saren for Harbinger?

[MatthewGold]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

kyle darrah ‏ @kyleDarrah · Open
@masseffect its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@kyledarrah Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
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Alright, I can't be the only one so I'm gonna say it. I think we need to release these tweets as is and then "translate" them for people like me who think they're looking at an ancient, lost language. Seriously, I have no idea what this says. I swore it wouldn't happen, but I am becoming my father. 

Kyle Darrah said "It's not that the ending that was taken in the wrong direction, rather, that the ending makes no sense. Ashley was on the Normandy? She was with me for the final assault."
ME replied saying that she should be cautious, probably of jumping to conclusions.

[Dice2624]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

Not at first.  The first thing that popped out at me was the fact Anderson didn't have a single scratch running to the beam.  Then I came to this thread and in a way had my eyes opened.

[Azzclown]

 Okay this is what you going to do.

1.  Power on your favorite gaming platform.
2.  Play mass effect 3 until the end.
3.  Make sure you have 5000 war asset before going to TIM hideout.
4.  Choose destroy ending.
5.  Listen:
 
6. Payback.

Modifié par Azzclown, 13 mars 2012 - 03:09 .

[AnnaExMachina]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

So what would happen to Shepard if she defeats the Reapers with slight indoctrination? I'd hope that without the Reaper influence that she'd be fine, or would she hear the whispers for the rest of her life?

My guess is that he would possibly have bad dreams, but he wouldn't be controlled, or driven crazy or anything.

And what about the destruction of the relays? Wouldn't that make system with a working relay go supernova like in Arrival?

[BlackDragonBane]

LenabotSE wrote...

I had always thought that the Reapers had fired a dark energy cannon at Haestrom's sun to make it prematurely go supernova and turn it into a new mass relay. Though, if the "original" ending is anything to consider, that's not really a possibility.

I've wondered about that too. It's one of those things that was never truly discovered or explained in detail. We never learn of Tali's findings from ME2. A curious thing.

[LolaLei]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

That was the orb that sat on her coffee table in her room wasn't it? What actually happened to that thing anyway?

[XGCFriedchicken]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Dice2624 wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

Not at first.  The first thing that popped out at me was the fact Anderson didn't have a single scratch running to the beam.  Then I came to this thread and in a way had my eyes opened.

I noticed the plotholes, but I knew it was in Shep's head or something when I saw the kid.

[Niemack Saarinen]

LolaLei wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

That was the orb that sat on her coffee table in her room wasn't it? What actually happened to that thing anyway?

the last ME2 DLC was arrival- i think Vironz  meant the reaper artififact in the asteroid base: Rho -- that indoctirnated the whole base.   as for as that orb im sure the alliance confiscated it when they retook the normandy.

[JediNg]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

I did.  I actually said out loud, "Wtf?  Am I dreaming?"  Then I just kinda went with it.
lol.  Guess I may have been right the first time (as opposed to concluding it wasn't some sort of dream or hallucination 5 mins later)

[AnnaExMachina]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

I had always thought that the Reapers had fired a dark energy cannon at Haestrom's sun to make it prematurely go supernova and turn it into a new mass relay. Though, if the "original" ending is anything to consider, that's not really a possibility.

I've wondered about that too. It's one of those things that was never truly discovered or explained in detail. We never learn of Tali's findings from ME2. A curious thing.

A red herring perhaps?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

[LolaLei]

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

That was the orb that sat on her coffee table in her room wasn't it? What actually happened to that thing anyway?

the last ME2 DLC was arrival- i think Vironz  meant the reaper artififact in the asteroid base: Rho -- that indoctirnated the whole base.   as for as that orb im sure the alliance confiscated it when they retook the normandy.

So what was the orb on the coffee table then? Didn't Shep pick that up from the mines swaming with husks?

[Sl4sh3r]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

That was inactive though.

[G0thicRhino]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

I like how this thread is all about evidence and people who try disproving this thread have none.

*High five

Thank you. That's exactly what this is. Not pure, raving speculations but actually analyzing the game for clues.

Agreed. Most of the things said in this thread can be foreshadowed, alluded to, or otherwise explained within the game. Play the game with the indoctrination theory in mind, and a LOT of things start clicking.

[krystalevenstar]

This isn't really supportive of the hallucination theory exactly, but it is supportive that Bioware hasn't told us everything. During your last conversation with Kaiden as your LI as Femshep, they have a heartbreaking exchange that ends in Kaiden, voice breaking, saying 'I can't lose you again...' Now, Bioware isn't afraid to pull punches, (Tali's potential suicide for example) but I've never known them to be outwardly cruel to their players. We were told that we'd be rewarded for staying true to our ME1 romance, and I don't think a soul-crushing last conversation like that is really any sort of reward, which makes me think we'll get more out of this. (In addition to this butt-ton of evidence in this thread) Just some food for thought.

[The0ther]

AnnaExMachina wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

So what would happen to Shepard if she defeats the Reapers with slight indoctrination? I'd hope that without the Reaper influence that she'd be fine, or would she hear the whispers for the rest of her life?

My guess is that he would possibly have bad dreams, but he wouldn't be controlled, or driven crazy or anything.

And what about the destruction of the relays? Wouldn't that make system with a working relay go supernova like in Arrival?

In the "Destroy" ending Shepard wakes up back on Earth, in London. So he didn't actually destroy the reapers or the Mass Relays... assuming this theory is correct.

[JediNg]

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I don't think its just possible, but likely - during the debriefing, Shepard clearly says something about no more dreams or voices or something, to Hackett.

Remember Shiala's email, where she talks about Reapers speaking to her, but that the communion with her colonymates helps to drown out the Reapers' influence.  Emphasis on Shiala describing the effect of indoctrination, that is.

Modifié par JediNg, 13 mars 2012 - 03:15 .

[Richard STIHL]

da fuq!?!?!?!

[hex23]

SomeBug wrote...

Everything in the fiction contradicts this. The Cerberus scientists in the derelict reaper took weeks to be turned. Turned slowly. The codex says that indoctrination takes months.

The conversation with Vigil in ME1 says that indoctrination is a slow process. Javik concurs and says that the Protheans were slowly turned.

Now Shepard is indoctrinated in five minutes? He wasn't inside a reaper. He wasn't implanted with reaper technology. He's half a mile from the nearest reaper on the ground. And he's being SUPER DUPER indoctrinated in record time?

Half a mile? Harbinger is right in front of him in the scene before all the weird stuff starts happening.

And full indoctrination takes a long time. Reapers start messing with people's heads almost immediately though....and being mentally, physically, and morally broken like Shepard was would make it easier. They made it a point to hammer home how much of a toil the war was taking on him, through out the game.

And the codex for "ME3" says "rapid indocrination is possible" but it's typically not used due to the mind deteriorating faster.