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[BlackDragonBane]

AnnaExMachina wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

LenabotSE wrote...

I had always thought that the Reapers had fired a dark energy cannon at Haestrom's sun to make it prematurely go supernova and turn it into a new mass relay. Though, if the "original" ending is anything to consider, that's not really a possibility.

I've wondered about that too. It's one of those things that was never truly discovered or explained in detail. We never learn of Tali's findings from ME2. A curious thing.

A red herring perhaps?

Maybe but according to the info on Haestrom, the Quarian had set up shop on the planet for the sole purpose of studying that star before the Geth kicked them off. There had to be something of importance to that to make the Admirals send Tali into a Geth controlled facility to retrieve something.

[Berkilak]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

I did. As soon as I had to start shooting those husks on Insanity, I assumed it was a dream and came here for help. http://social.biowar...5/index/9766927 

[Sierra163]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

True, but the derelict  Reaper was in a state of decay. Object: Rho was very much fully active.

[Jackalope]

JediNg wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

I did.  I actually said out loud, "Wtf?  Am I dreaming?"  Then I just kinda went with it.
lol.  Guess I may have been right the first time (as opposed to concluding it wasn't some sort of dream or hallucination 5 mins later)

For me it, it was more like "What the heck, is she tripping?"  It was early in the morning, and I honestly thought I had two or three more hours of playing as well.  Whoops.

[Icinix]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

I was too busy being stupified by the ending to think about that.

Felt like something was off and that it didn't make sense - and was hoping it was something like this - but didn't openly suspect it until I started seeing the similarities this thread has brought up.

[Prince Keldar]

AnnaExMachina wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

So what would happen to Shepard if she defeats the Reapers with slight indoctrination? I'd hope that without the Reaper influence that she'd be fine, or would she hear the whispers for the rest of her life?

My guess is that he would possibly have bad dreams, but he wouldn't be controlled, or driven crazy or anything.

And what about the destruction of the relays? Wouldn't that make system with a working relay go supernova like in Arrival?

Unless the destruction of the relays were part of the indoctrination hallucination.  lol sounds like a name of a band.

[Fat Headed Wolf]

MatthewGold wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

kyle darrah ‏ @kyleDarrah · Open
@masseffect its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
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@kyledarrah Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
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Alright, I can't be the only one so I'm gonna say it. I think we need to release these tweets as is and then "translate" them for people like me who think they're looking at an ancient, lost language. Seriously, I have no idea what this says. I swore it wouldn't happen, but I am becoming my father. 

Kyle Darrah said "It's not that the ending that was taken in the wrong direction, rather, that the ending makes no sense. Ashley was on the Normandy? She was with me for the final assault."
ME replied saying that she should be cautious, probably of jumping to conclusions.

Okey-Dokey that makes sense. 

Thanks to all who helped, not just those I quoted. I just do not get this lingo they use. Combined with the #'s and @'s I am downright confused. Growing up my dad was a hardcore marine and my mom an English professor. Grammar was so jammed down our throats I swear I thought contractions were swearing until I was thirteen. 

From now on we can have normal tweets shown as is and an idiots translation called: "For FatHeadedWolf".  

[Neuthung]

Azzclown wrote...

 Okay this is what you going to do.

1.  Power on your favorite gaming platform.
2.  Play mass effect 3 until the end.
3.  Make sure you have 5000 war asset before going to TIM hideout.
4.  Choose destroy ending.
5.  Listen:
 
6. Payback.

Make the goosebumps go away. 

[RyanHensley2010]

There's just too much evidence for this theory for it to be ignored. I also noticed that in the dream sequences, the "ghostly" people standing around, are made up of the same stuff you see around TIM on the "citadel".

[Jade5233]

I skipped by this thread at first. Yeah right. It as all a dream. Snore...
But then a friend directed me to it again when talking about how put and depressed I was over the ending of my favorite games ever. And I read it and it made sense to me. More sense than the endings are as-is.

If its all up for interpretation and this is all there is to what we get for an ending, THIS is my head canon. Shepard lives, Reapers die. The Normandy stranded was a dream. Kimbri Shepard and Kaidan wake up and live their lives in peace. WIN.

If this IS all a ruse by BW due to the horrendous leaks and data mining that have occurred in the past year...I mean, how better to prevent the end being leaked than not having the real ending in the game at all? Brilliant! WIN

Deciding to take these sucky endings at face value? To me, that's a big LOSE.

[Rawgrim]

"-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control. "


Found this on a blog. Its exactly what happens in the game. Its indoctrination.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

That was inactive though.

"A dead God still dreams."
It was active enough to emit Indoctrination signals. I doubt the signals were slowed by the Reapers actual awareness. (If I should call it that.)

[Illusive]

MatthewGold wrote...

kyle darrah ‏ @kyleDarrah · Open
@masseffect its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
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@kyledarrah Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
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10:50 PM - 12 Mar 12 via HootSuite · Details

This seems like a clear indication that the "teleporting squadmates" thing was not an accident ...

[Tallis Lucienis]

AnnaExMachina wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

AnnaExMachina wrote...

So what would happen to Shepard if she defeats the Reapers with slight indoctrination? I'd hope that without the Reaper influence that she'd be fine, or would she hear the whispers for the rest of her life?

My guess is that he would possibly have bad dreams, but he wouldn't be controlled, or driven crazy or anything.

And what about the destruction of the relays? Wouldn't that make system with a working relay go supernova like in Arrival?

You have to remember that would happen in the scene of his halluncination state. He never made it to the Citadel in the first place after he was hit by Harbinger.

[Rahabzu]

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Trevor Ruth ‏ @TrutHofGaminG · Open

@ALaggyHost @masseffect I wonder if there is anyone out there who actually understood & liked the #ME3 Ending along with me. @bioware
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@truthofgaming You're one in a few. You should wear that as a badge of honor. You go against mainstream concerns.

Really is Bioware gonna act like their ending is acceptable?

[Niemack Saarinen]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

That was inactive though.

How was it inactive? you stand next to it and it beams with energy drops you to your knees and the Dr behind you tells you that they must help the reapers in so many words.  It indoctrinated the whole base from their original mission, they are now slaves.

[XGCFriedchicken]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

Well assuming this is a dream that takes place after Harbinger knocked Shepard out, he didn't take any actions. They are trying to convince him to take those actions. Trying to convince him that the reapers are necessary.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Kings19 wrote...

MatthewGold wrote...

kyle darrah ‏ @kyleDarrah · Open
@masseffect its not that the ending was taken in the wrong direction its that it makes NO SENSE. Ashley was on the Normandy? she with me
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@kyledarrah Probably a good thing to be cautious of.
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10:50 PM - 12 Mar 12 via HootSuite · Details

This seems like a clear indication that the "teleporting squadmates" thing was not an accident ...

Or this is how BioWare gets their kicks...

[Malanek]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
Just wondering, did anybody here suspect hallucination on there first go around?

I must admit no. An ending like that seemed quite plausible to me even if I was very disapointed with the execution. I thought the staggered daze was just a very bad wound. The nonsensical normandy cutscene just sloppy. Then (some) things other people mentioned started to make a lot of sense.

Modifié par Malanek999, 13 mars 2012 - 03:18 .

[BlackDragonBane]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

The Derelict Reaper was techinically still alive. It's condition would be the equivalent of being brain dead. It's Mass Effect core was still functioning, as well as other system that kept it from falling into the star (or planet, can't remember) it was orbiting around at the time. The indoctrination signal was likely active because the Cerebrus scientists become indoctrinated and eventually turned into Husks.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

That was inactive though.

The Derelict Reaper was akin to being brain dead, not completely inactive. It's mass effect drive was still operational, which was keeping it in orbit. Whatever emits the indoctrination signal was likely still being powered as well, turning the scientists into indoctrinated slaves who then proceeded to either kill each other or use the Dragon's Teeth on board to change into Husks.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 13 mars 2012 - 03:20 .

[Icinix]

Point of interest - at the end with the little box saying "Shep is a legend." Does it always say "Defeated the Reapers" or "Destroyed the Reapers"?

[Jackalope]

Prince Keldar wrote...

Unless the destruction of the relays were part of the indoctrination hallucination.  lol sounds like a name of a band.

...the band Conrad sets up in Shepard's memory after the ending?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

Well assuming this is a dream that takes place after Harbinger knocked Shepard out, he didn't take any actions. They are trying to convince him to take those actions. Trying to convince him that the reapers are necessary.

I know he wasn't actually acting. It was just influencing his thoughts and dreams.

[JasonTan87]

If we consider what has to be done on both sides of the coin both for and against this theory:

1. Ending was a hallucination: Shepard wakes up in London rubble after getting hit by reaper laser and resisting final indoctrination attempt. Current ending has no resolution: ending DLC required to obtain closure.

2. Ending was NOT a hallucination: Plot holes the size of the citadel and a space wizard kid coming out of nowhere. Current ending has no resolution: ending DLC required to obtain closure through retcon or epilogue.

In both cases 1 & 2, we need new ending DLC to obtain closure. We can all agree that Bioware hasn't given us the definitive ending that they promised us.

What I don't understand is if this theory was true (and I hope it is), why didn't they give us the final content right off the bat and claim the credit for incredible writing, instead of having to risk this PR nightmare? Withholding such important content with no formal notice or warning will generate alot of bad blood between Bioware and their fans (us).

[Catreina-JTV]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Shah138 wrote...

I was over on another forum and the point was brought up that in one of the endings it is possible to only have the destroy option available. If that's true than doesn't that punch a hole in this theory?

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62225565

Don't think so...

http://www.ign.com/w...ffect-3/Endings

Actually there are multiple points where you can get only one option: Control or Destroy at many EMS states