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JasonTan87 wrote...

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What I don't understand is if this theory was true (and I hope it is), why didn't they give us the final content right off the bat and claim the credit for incredible writing, instead of having to risk this PR nightmare? Withholding such important content with no formal notice or warning will generate alot of bad blood between Bioware and their fans (us).

Some people have suggested that maybe BW ran out of time to make the correct ending, threw this together to meet the release date and work on the correct ending in the mean time.

Others have suggested that maybe BW did this as a reaction to all the leaks, and that an endin DLC will become available once the game is released in Japan (the 1M1 theory) so that we all experience at once,

Or just a pissy way to sell more DLC for with detailed endings.

That's just what has been floating around

[Martukis]

So I am on my second play through (so help me) and it seems eerie now that the area between the elevator and Captain's quarters has sides that resemble that final hallway. Maybe another reused thing, but now I can't comfortable enter Shep's quarters.

[Rahabzu]

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"Really is Bioware gonna act like their ending is acceptable?"

[SpartenN7]

<------ this video should be in consideration to watch and Bioware..Wake Up DLC expect it by a month

[krystalevenstar]

Another thing, since I haven't seen it brought up today but we've talked about it over the last few days, when you first get up from the blast (when the dream is starting), we hear Major Coats on the radio saying no one made it to the beam and that the entire force was decimated. Why can't he see Shepard is still walking? Let alone Anderson. And why doesn't Shepard answer on his/her comm, 'Hey, I'm still in this, I'm approaching the beam'? We know it works because we can hear Coats. I don't think Shepard would be the kind of person to let the Alliance think they just lost the war over some comm hiccup.

[BlackDragonBane]

G0thicRhino wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

"-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control. "


Found this on a blog. Its exactly what happens in the game. Its indoctrination.

I didn't notice that my first or second go, you're totally right on the growl! Nice catch! 

I have a hard time believing this one because there is a Reaper about twenty or so meters away from the building and is constantly making Reaper sounds. I think the 'growl' for that instant was more a coincidence.

But if it turns out right, then I'll put my foot in my mouth and eat my shoe.

[Sl4sh3r]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

Regardless it would still be slowed.

And everyone is acting as if Shepard has NEVER been around Reaper tech...

He has implants that are Repear tech. He's fought more Reapers than any other living being in the Galaxy has. He's also talked to 3 so far. Then there's Vega who claims to hear a humming on the Normandy, implying that there is an indoctrination device on the ship (Not 100% prove-able but it fits).

Did they ever actually say that the Lazarus project was built on Reaper Tech? Even then, a lot of things are Reaper tech. That's like saying you can be indoctrinated by being on the Citadel, or flying through to many Mass Relays.

And I never said he hasn't been around Reaper tech, I believe he is indoctrinated, enough to affect his dreams, but nothing else. (Except for the stress caused by said dreams.)

I'm pretty sure EDI mentioned something about his implants being Reaper tech.

I don't have a source on that so if someone can find it, that'd be great.

[JediNg]

Someone mentioned that EDI says the Reaper IFF is still aboard? When does she say this anyway?

[novaseeker]

Shah138 wrote...

I was over on another forum and the point was brought up that in one of the endings it is possible to only have the destroy option available. If that's true than doesn't that punch a hole in this theory?

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62225565

No, because in that case Earth is also scorched and destroyed (and who knows what else in terms of planets), as you see in the low EMS cutscene.  In that case, the reapers are just messing with you, because they know they have won -- you cannot win, so they give you a vision of your "future dying" as per Star Trek as well.  It's only in the low EMS endings, though.

[Niemack Saarinen]

Rafe34 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think maybe the kid was real to begin with, you do see him playing with a toy normandy in the first scene, also there's a picture of the missing kid on the memorial wall in the holding docks. Someone said you can see the kid running into the room before it explodes, is that true?

No one but Shepard ever interacts with the child. There is no evidence that anyone sees that photo except Shepard.

The kid is on the balcony before the husks -- as you get closer and the husks appear to the left-- to the right the kid runs into a locked door- it opens and closes and remains locked the entire time ..     not to mention how the kid got to this building when it even isnt the one shep first saw him on --- so its all in her head.



and to back up Rafe34---  anderson doesnt go "Omg a kid we need to bring him to safety"  either when anderson should've clearly seen him.

Modifié par Niemack Saarinen, 13 mars 2012 - 03:33 .

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

G0thicRhino wrote...

Rawgrim wrote...

"-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control. "


Found this on a blog. Its exactly what happens in the game. Its indoctrination.

I didn't notice that my first or second go, you're totally right on the growl! Nice catch! 

I have a hard time believing this one because there is a Reaper about twenty or so meters away from the building and is constantly making Reaper sounds. I think the 'growl' for that instant was more a coincidence.

But if it turns out right, then I'll put my foot in my mouth and eat my shoe.

 If that kid wasn't real, they really are trying to indoctrinate the player, making you sympathsize for the Reapers in a way.

[JasonTan87]

krystalevenstar wrote...

We don't necessarily need to have a DLC to fix this. If the real ending is on the game (people have found multiple unused pieces of -important- dialogue, etc), they'd only need to update the game to get access to it. Considering a title update is required before you even play the game the first time, I don't see how this would be that big of a deal.

A DLC would be even more critical if this theory was true, because technically the story hasn't ended. Unless, of course, they are seeking to reuse all of the material that Shepard saw during his hallucination after he Shepard wakes up.

[G0thicRhino]

JediNg wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

The reoccurring theme of this thread is "I thought you were all bonkers, but then I read the thread..." XD

Noticed that too. Either we're right or we should totally start a cult. 

This thread is indoctrination.  Run away.

LoL.
But in all seriousiness, cults terrify me. 

[LolaLei]

Rafe34 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think maybe the kid was real to begin with, you do see him playing with a toy normandy in the first scene, also there's a picture of the missing kid on the memorial wall in the holding docks. Someone said you can see the kid running into the room before it explodes, is that true?

No one but Shepard ever interacts with the child. There is no evidence that anyone sees that photo except Shepard.

That's true. the picture could be a red herring to make you think that the kid is real or something. This whole thing certainly gives you a lot to think about doesn't it!

I guess the fact that all the way through the game your team mates make comments about Shepards mental state definitely suggests that everything is starting to take its toll on him/her.

[MissMaster_2]

yagaelvin wrote...

So LONG time lurker here at BSN ever since ME2 came out and wandered by wanting to know how to survive the suicide mission.  This thread finally made me decide to post for the first time.

Anyway, there's a lot to say about this thread.  The more I read it the more fascinated it becomes considering I too hated the ending while I loved the rest of the game.  Personally though I only think two things come to mind that we can consider

1.  While all the "evidence" we have is impressive, it's still purely speculation no matter how much we try to spin it.  We have no real definitive proof one way or the other in what the ending is.  That's why the argument could really go either way that the ending was actually a "dream" or just really bad writing.  Always keep that in mind.

2. With that being said, the ONLY thing we know for certain is that Bioware is holding something back.  That's from the various tweets that they've posted in the last week or so (btw if anyone can compile them all in one post would be great) where mostly everyone has said something to the effect of "we can't comment on that yet".  The only exception I think was Mike Gamble(?) who tweeted about "If we only knew what we had planned".  Now that could mean anything from ending DLC (free or not) to anything else involving ME3.

So honestly, while the "evidence" we have is great and everything the only REAL thing that is giving me hope is the fact that no one at Bioware has said anything definitive one way or the other about this besides "No comment"  more or less.  And you know what they say when you can neither confirm nor deny something....

The evidence is that there are missing dialog that is alreay in the game code and that all BW has to do is send out a patch to unlock it.

[RyanHensley2010]

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

The reoccurring theme of this thread is "I thought you were all bonkers, but then I read the thread..." XD

Noticed that too. Either we're right or we should totally start a cult. 

I'd join. Haha

[Drewskii]

You guys are also missing a big point in regards to indoctrination - Adrenaline.

Several times in the Priority Sanctuary mission adrenaline is pointed to as a way to enhance the experiments they were doing in logs, data pads, etc.

adrenaline
— n
US name: epinephrine a hormone that is secreted by the adrenal medulla in response to stress and increases heart rate, pulse rate, and blood pressure, and raises the blood levels of glucose and lipids. It is extracted from animals or synthesized for such medical uses as the treatment of asthma. Chemical name: aminohydroxyphenylpropionic acid; formula

I think it's fair to say that Shepard's adrenaline was sky rocketing in the scenario he was in (and throughout the three games, at that), especially running down a hill, charging Harbinger, dodging beams.

[Tallis Lucienis]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

XGCFriedchicken wrote...

Niemack Saarinen wrote...

VironZ wrote...

Didn't Shepard come into a Prothean orb in the final ME:2 DLC, which indoctrinated the people making the astroid impact plan.

Yeah, Object Rho -- and it forced shep to her(his) knees with its power.. so Shep has been touched by indoctrination.

Yeah, Shepard was exsposed to the artifact for 2 days without pause. Very possible.

I think the amount of exposure would be enough to give him the dreams, but not drive him to any actions.

I mean, the people on the derelict Reaper had to be there for week(s) before they were indoctrinated.

That was inactive though.

"A dead God still dreams."
It was active enough to emit Indoctrination signals. I doubt the signals were slowed by the Reapers actual awareness. (If I should call it that.)

Regardless it would still be slowed.

And everyone is acting as if Shepard has NEVER been around Reaper tech...

He has implants that are Repear tech. He's fought more Reapers than any other living being in the Galaxy has. He's also talked to 3 so far. Then there's Vega who claims to hear a humming on the Normandy, implying that there is an indoctrination device on the ship (Not 100% prove-able but it fits).

Did they ever actually say that the Lazarus project was built on Reaper Tech? Even then, a lot of things are Reaper tech. That's like saying you can be indoctrinated by being on the Citadel, or flying through to many Mass Relays.

And I never said he hasn't been around Reaper tech, I believe he is indoctrinated, enough to affect his dreams, but nothing else. (Except for the stress caused by said dreams.)

Yes I believe the technology was cultivated from the remains of Sovereign though it was heavily degraded. This evidence is perpertrated in the Logs on the Cerberus base when you go looking for The Illusive Man.

[Ainyan42]

JediNg wrote...

Someone mentioned that EDI says the Reaper IFF is still aboard? When does she say this anyway?

When you're heading to Earth at the end, EDI says she's using the Reaper IFF to get the Normandy there undetected.

[eoinnx03]

Someone wrote this in another thread called Monday morning.

Sainta117 wrote...

''I've actually sat through the launch of games I've worked on (2 x AAA sports titles) and I can tell you, we definitely were paying attention to both critical and user reviews and feedback. The problem is, how do you respond to the kind of crushing tidal wave of disappointment that is coming from the fanbase currently? And knowing that this is likely only the leading edge of the disappointment - the reason this is blowing up *now* is that players are just starting to finish the game. I can tell you, I made a lot of free time for this game, and I only finished it two days ago. Then I spent a day or so in shock, and then I got mad. I suspect this will only get louder.

That being said, there's almost nothing anyone at Bioware can say. Any statement about this would have to come from the top, and once that happens it becomes policy, so nobody's going to say *anything* until they get official word on what management intends to do (if anything). Management is going to keep their mouths shut as long as possible so they can see what the best direction is to jump. I would bet you green money that behind closed doors there are a lot of concerned phone calls going around. Keep it up, and you'll have an impact. And don't forget to make your opinions known at Metacritic. Privately, people in the industry have been freaked out by the enormous influence of metacritic scores on sales for years - so hit 'em where it hurts.''

[ReclaimedHavoc]

LolaLei wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

LolaLei wrote...

I think maybe the kid was real to begin with, you do see him playing with a toy normandy in the first scene, also there's a picture of the missing kid on the memorial wall in the holding docks. Someone said you can see the kid running into the room before it explodes, is that true?

No one but Shepard ever interacts with the child. There is no evidence that anyone sees that photo except Shepard.

That's true. the picture could be a red herring to make you think that the kid is real or something. This whole thing certainly gives you a lot to think about doesn't it!

I guess the fact that all the way through the game your team mates make comments about Shepards mental state definitely suggests that everything is starting to take its toll on him/her.

Did Shepard ever mention the kid? I mean, they ask what is bothering Shepard so much, are we all sure that the kid never gets mentioned once?

[LenabotSE]

Joined a cult. Kept the haircut.

[Sl4sh3r]

RyanHensley2010 wrote...

Fat Headed Wolf wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

The reoccurring theme of this thread is "I thought you were all bonkers, but then I read the thread..." XD

Noticed that too. Either we're right or we should totally start a cult. 

I'd join. Haha

Another reoccuring theme is the new people that show up that keep coming across the same conclusions the earlier people did. Even without completely reading the same threads.

[Shunt Mcblunt]

The problem with that is the Kid is playing with a jet before the Reapers even lands.

I do believe it was an attempt to Indoctrination but the kid did exist before that. Most likely the Reapers saw you were emotionally effect by it. So they used it against you since you had no other attachments.

Modifié par Shunt Mcblunt, 13 mars 2012 - 03:34 .

[krystalevenstar]

JasonTan87 wrote...

krystalevenstar wrote...

We don't necessarily need to have a DLC to fix this. If the real ending is on the game (people have found multiple unused pieces of -important- dialogue, etc), they'd only need to update the game to get access to it. Considering a title update is required before you even play the game the first time, I don't see how this would be that big of a deal.

A DLC would be even more critical if this theory was true, because technically the story hasn't ended. Unless, of course, they are seeking to reuse all of the material that Shepard saw during his hallucination after he Shepard wakes up.

That's what I'm thinking. Once you wake up, the game proceeds similarly to the point where Shepard and Anderson have opened the Citadel for Hackett, except no god child, and probably a boss battle with TIM. We get the extended 'cut' conversations with shep/Anderson about being a good parents and Anderson then likely dies (expected), The Normandy likely comes in to get Shepard, then we get all our 'This is the rest of what happened' wrap up scenes.

That would mean a lot of the assets used in a real ending like that would already be there on the disk from the dream portion.

Modifié par krystalevenstar, 13 mars 2012 - 03:34 .