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[Lotarion]

Kitten Tactics wrote...
-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

Exacly this. Plus at the very begning Shepard is focused on the same kiddo with a normany model UNTIL Vega distracts him. No sound there however but it could be just the begning.

[RussianOrc]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...I've also noticed by watching the ending that the destroy option is the only one wich shepard don't look like a husk before his death.anyone saw that?

What? Can someone elaborate?  I only did Destroy.

here start at 01:18 you will see

Modifié par RussianOrc, 11 mars 2012 - 01:11 .

[thePredator50]

Ok so... after all this, the consensus is that the ending isn't really an ending? The fight with the Reapers is still ongoing, the Citadel is closed and they can't get the Crucible in place?

[mupp3tz]

krystalevenstar wrote...
I mean I noticed that the Control option was blue, which made it appear like the paragon option, and destory as the renegade.

WAIT A ****ING MINUTE!! This is a really good argument for why the end was a hallucination since the whole point, from the very beginning, was to destroy the Reapers.  So, suddenly, why is saving them the Paragon choice?

Buttt.... then again, it could also be Renegade considering the story development around Edi and the Geth (i.e. how it was the organics who began the war/destruction, and not the synthetics.)

[krystalevenstar]

There's a few little things I noticed that I posted about from the bottom of page 9 on that I'd add too. Like the fact that you can't shoot the keepers once you're on the citadel, but we know they can be killed because Saren shot one in the first game. Dream guuuunnn XD

[lookingglassmind]

Kitten, can you add the stuff about Synthesis as being perhaps the best option as well?

humes spork wrote...

I think the sequence is Harbinger frakking with Shepard's head, but I don't think it may be to Indoctrinate Shepard. Especially in the context it's wholly out of character for Harbinger to simply leave before confirming Shepard's death or harvesting him/her. I'm wondering if Harbinger is testing Shepard's resolve and actually determining whether technological singularity is an inevitability, and organics have evolved beyond the desire to dominate or destroy synthetics. If Shepard's willing to give up his or her own life to send the Reapers away without forcing them into submission to organics, or merge synthetic and human life, it would certainly give evidence technological singularity is not inevitable.

[Kitten Tactics]

Updated with multiple new entries, thanks everyone!

-The endgame scenario is Indoctrination/Manipulation from the Reapers (Harbinger) trying to force you into choosing to let the Reapers live. Shepard is not awake during the final scenes.

-Choosing Control - You can not control them, they control you. Shepard says as much to the Illusive Man moments earlier.

-Choosing Synthesis - Allows everyone in the galaxy to be manipulated by Reaper code, like they have done to the Geth multiple times now.

-Choosing Destroy - Breaks the hold the reapers have on Shepard's mind.

-Choosing to destroy all synthetic life option is more Renegade in appearence. Controlling the Reapers is more Paragon in appearence. The Illusive Man's choice should not be Paragon colors, just as Anderson's choice should not be Renegade. The reapers are saying that Destroy is the worst, Control is worse, and Synthesis is the best. They want you to fail.

-Stating that all sythetic life will be destroyed will give you pause; destroying the Geth can force you to a different conclusion. This choice exists for the illusion of choice; the other choices are ment to sound better.

-In Synthesis and Control, the various energies cause Shepard to turn black and start to appear VERY husk-like. This does not happen in Destroy because Destroy is the only option in which Shepard is not falling under Reaper control.

-Shepard wakes up after Destroy, because the Reaper's hold is diminished. Shepard does not awake in the other 2 "endings" because you are fully indoctrinated by the choices you made to allow the Reapers to win. "Assuming Control!"

-How would the reapers (or anything really) know to use the image of the child unless they were inside Shepard's head?

-The child does not actually exist. He is an attempt to indoctrinate Shepard. Nobody but Shepard ever sees or interacts with the child.

-When Anderson calls for Shepard at the beginning of the game, when Shepard is talking to the child, Shepard turns back and the child is gone. Shepard has been "snapped out of it".

-When Shepard turns towards Anderson after being "snapped out of it", a growl is heard. In the third novel, when Greyson resisted the reapers they would make a growling noise once they realized they didn't have him under complete control.

-During Shepard's final dream with the child, chatter can be heard over the radio about nobody making it to the beam. Shepard is still in London.

-When Shepard catches the child in the final dream, they are both engulfed in flame. Going with the child (the reapers) means Shepard's destruction.

-Shepard has spent alot of time around Reapers. Soveriegn, various Reaper artifacts, the Human Reaper, 2 Reaper destroyers, the Artifact from "The Arrival." Its foolish to assume there is not some level of indoctrination.

-When Shepard wakes up at the end of Destroy, he/she is waking up in London, after being hit with the laser.

-All comments from Bioware officials have been to hold on to our copies. This implies something more is on the way. For Michael Gamble to have his "hardest day ever" while we are all tearing the ending apart is telling. He knows something we don't.

-By reacting the way we all have to a false reality (ending), WE are all in some way, indoctrinated.

[Animositisomina]

humes spork wrote...

You remember how it looked in ME2 when the colonist was getting dissolved? How their skin was melting off and they were taking on a biometallic appearance? That.

It looked to me more like the effect you see when using fire ammo or grenades... where people burn up and disintegrate. Didn't look like turning into a husk to me.

Modifié par Animositisomina, 11 mars 2012 - 01:12 .

[mupp3tz]

krystalevenstar wrote...

There's a few little things I noticed that I posted about from the bottom of page 9 on that I'd add too. Like the fact that you can't shoot the keepers once you're on the citadel, but we know they can be killed because Saren shot one in the first game. Dream guuuunnn XD

Don't forget the "magic space gun" with infinite bullets and how there is no resistance when you approach the end.  And, the whole "no boss fight" addition... since, we have ALWAYS had a boss fight at the end of ME.  I, for one, was expecting some awesome gun play.

Modifié par M U P P 3 T Z, 11 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[DrDetective]

I'm not 100% on the kid not existing from the beginning, but the Overlord DLC did prove that Shepard can be hacked or otherwise deceived. It makes sense that the Reapers would be more convincing at it than some autistic guy hooked up to the geth.

I like to think that it's not standard indoctrination, though, but them messing with the hardware Cerberus put in. It keeps Shepard's image as an incorruptible badass.

[lookingglassmind]

humes spork wrote...

You remember how it looked in ME2 when the colonist was getting dissolved? How their skin was melting off and they were taking on a biometallic appearance? That.

Huh! Ahhh, all the evidence is slowly falling into line. I want to disbelieve it; seems too easy and perfect. It could be just how you look after you get your ass smashed by Harby, though..

Modifié par lookingglassmind, 11 mars 2012 - 01:13 .

[MPSai]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten, can you add the stuff about Synthesis as being perhaps the best option as well?

humes spork wrote...

I think the sequence is Harbinger frakking with Shepard's head, but I don't think it may be to Indoctrinate Shepard. Especially in the context it's wholly out of character for Harbinger to simply leave before confirming Shepard's death or harvesting him/her. I'm wondering if Harbinger is testing Shepard's resolve and actually determining whether technological singularity is an inevitability, and organics have evolved beyond the desire to dominate or destroy synthetics. If Shepard's willing to give up his or her own life to send the Reapers away without forcing them into submission to organics, or merge synthetic and human life, it would certainly give evidence technological singularity is not inevitable.

Well the Synthesis ending would basically be converting the entire population of the galaxy and all organic life to biomechanical Reaper tech wouldn't it? I fail to see how that's not exactly what the Reapers were doing.

[Doronamo]

omgBAMF wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...I've also noticed by watching the ending that the destroy option is the only one wich shepard don't look like a husk before his death.anyone saw that?

What? Can someone elaborate?  I only did Destroy.

Just check out YT vids of the control and synthesis endings.  Shep's face goes all black and.... electronic looking, like he's being turned.

I'm not sure if I'm convinced that he is being turned, like the poster above me said, he sort of looked like he was being incinerated, rather than turned into a husk.

But if he in fact was being turned into a husk, and those two decisions were actually bad ones, then it's possible that it is true. The game's not going to go "Mission Failure" and make us choose again, it's going to make us go with whatever happened, and we won't know the consequences.

At least, we won't know yet.

[Valk72]

Kings19 wrote...
Nice. I would also add 2 of Michael Gamble's tweets that suggest that something more is coming.

Mike Gamble tweet sure are weird.

[Kitten Tactics]

Synthesis is presented as a utopia where everyone can coexist. The Reapers want everyone to be partially synthetic because they can insert reaper code into synthetics, as is shown with the geth.

[mupp3tz]

Something better be coming or there will be a riot! We need at least a response.

[AvianCat]

I do have to add that the Crucible was built over many cycles and species. I highly doubt that when they were building this they decided they would add 3 buttons to it. And if they planned on using the catalyst as it's power source, they wouldn't use the "god" that had originally created the thing they are trying to destroy.

[humes spork]

Oh, and creepy evil look for a default male Shepard. Starts at 0:56, when phantom Shepard's looking over the kid's shoulder:

[CommanderSmacker]

Well to me it kinda does seem like the kid was never there from the beginning because for 1) he is probably just a representation of earth and all the lives on earth and 2) you'll notice that when Shepard tries to help him in the beginning that he all of a sudden disappears like super quick when anderson distracts Shepard and 3) Doesn't sem like anyone else notices the kid getting on the cruiser when they try to escape.

[lookingglassmind]

MPSai wrote...

Well the Synthesis ending would basically be converting the entire population of the galaxy and all organic life to biomechanical Reaper tech wouldn't it? I fail to see how that's not exactly what the Reapers were doing.

Yes, but as humes explained, this is how it looks on the surface. It has that outcome of creating Reaper tech, but the underlying philosophy is (potentially) wholly different from the other options. Maybe having Reaper tech existing doesn't really matter if the underlying problem (read: tech singularity) is resolved.

[MPSai]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Synthesis is presented as a utopia where everyone can coexist. The Reapers want everyone to be partially synthetic because they can insert reaper code into synthetics, as is shown with the geth.

So the Reapers win. 

You know, if this is real, it's funny that many players sensed it was a trap and were frustated they could only make these three choices. But then again right before that TIM was insisting he had freedom of choice when he really didn't.

[Animositisomina]

AvianCat wrote...

I do have to add that the Crucible was built over many cycles and species. I highly doubt that when they were building this they decided they would add 3 buttons to it. And if they planned on using the catalyst as it's power source, they wouldn't use the "god" that had originally created the thing they are trying to destroy.

For that matter, why would they ever add a single way (let alone 3) to stop them? It's like how the villain in a movie plants a bomb but always includes a way to defuse it. Doesn't really work that way in real life.

[Kitten Tactics]

They don't. We are the first cycle to complete the Crucible and interact with the Catalyst.

[overburning]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Okay, let's just agree on this: Creepy godchild is creepy. -- regardless, the whole ending is still very surreal, lending strong notion to the suggestion that it is, in some part, a hallucination of some sort.

You know the thing that kills me is this WHOLE thread and all the different things we've talked about make so much more sense than what Bioware gave us. I feel like talking to everyone here, specifically this thread, has allowed me to accept ME3 more than I had after initially seeing the troll ending.

^This, I maybe able to play ME3 again.

[Nyxia]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Updated with multiple new entries, thanks everyone! [...]

Wow thanks for the summary, mate.

Just finished the game and was very depressed about the ending. I feel much better now.