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LoveAsThouWilt wrote...
I think all this backlash is there whole purpose in the "endings" given. They have something planned, but I doubt, considering the importance of it, will be charged. They are letting us stew in our rage and ideas. But things they have said just suggest that there is more to come... just not WHAT.
I've answered this three times now, dude. Pay attention. It could be accounted for if we assume shep has been under the process of indoctrination the whole game. If you do a rush job and end with low EMS then the reapers haven't had sufficient time to dig their claws into you so to speak, so the other options seem outlandish. It's all about convincing you their point of view is correct.Karait wrote...
It's funny how people who support the indoctrination theory are happy to ignore the question of why on low EMS there's only the option to destroy Reapers. Hell of trickery on their side to only give Shep the option to blow them up.
Also, how come Star gazer shows up even if Earth is oblitarated by low EMS' space magic? There clearly is a regular Earth tree out there, but Earth is no more.
As much as I'd like to see some sort of follow-up to current ending, I'm under no illusion that all those holes which enthusiasts consider messages which support Indoctrination Theory are simply shabby, lazy writing from people doing their 9 to 5 jobs.
Lurchibald wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Melrache wrote...
I hope this ain't true, sure add more endings, if you so please, but don't take away the one I already have. Sure the ending is confusing, but if we start throwing indoctrination around, then the game is already lost. Nobody has properly survived the indoctrination, Shiala was able to resist it, but she wasn't human. So unless the super human Shep goes even more super, the people who are crying for happy ending would seemingly lose that as well.
You're not making a very compelling argument there. Just because no one has been able to resist indoctrination doesn't mean they Shepard can't. I mean, we're fighting the reapers, by your logic we can't defeat them because no one has done so before. If that's true then Shepard should've shot himself a long time ago (not before getting wasted and having frantic sex with everything that moved).
Cheers
That's What Morinth said about mating with her and look what happend with that
Karait wrote...
BlackDragonBane wrote...
Karait wrote...
The whole point of the series is Shepard DESTROYING the reapers. Obviously the indoctrination attempt is to prevent shepard from doing that. If you have a low EMS, that's because you didn't recruit that many people to the final fight AKA you rushed to the end and the littlest amount of game time passed. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated enough to be confused or manipulated by the reapers and his only objective, destroying the reapers, is obvious.
Fast forward to a high EMS, a LOT of time has passed in the game and indoctrination has taken much deeper root in Shepard's mind. Now the reapers have the ability to better deceive and cloud his judgment. Hence the other two options.
You can't seriously consider this a convicing line of reasoning.
Then please, back up your arguement with some actual information instead of conjecture. You're not doing anything to help yourself with this line of response.
My line of reasoning is simple. If they want to trick him into defeat they should try to make him put a gun to his head and pull the trigger. Instead, they 'trick' him into blowing them up. It just does not hold and the "time passed" theory is very weak. So they indoctrinated him enough to make him see the god-child but are happy to see him use the destroy route without any opposition? Cripple his mind, do anything, he is going for the destroy route damn it..
I thought that was weird too. I tried to see what the different endings were, and it Autosaves when I chose.Kumekerion wrote...
Was watching the videos of the ending when I noticed that the game auto saves right as Shepard shoots through the conduit. Why would the game need to auto save at this point? It just shows the final cut scene then reloads back to before attacking the illusive man's base where it auto saves again.
It would only make sense if there was more game play to follow.
NAWhisperBlade wrote...
Does anyone think that the Stargazer was, in fact, Shepard?
NAWhisperBlade wrote...
Does anyone think that the Stargazer was, in fact, Shepard?
NAWhisperBlade wrote...
Does anyone think that the Stargazer was, in fact, Shepard?
Karait wrote...
BlackDragonBane wrote...
Karait wrote...
The whole point of the series is Shepard DESTROYING the reapers. Obviously the indoctrination attempt is to prevent shepard from doing that. If you have a low EMS, that's because you didn't recruit that many people to the final fight AKA you rushed to the end and the littlest amount of game time passed. Shepard wasn't indoctrinated enough to be confused or manipulated by the reapers and his only objective, destroying the reapers, is obvious.
Fast forward to a high EMS, a LOT of time has passed in the game and indoctrination has taken much deeper root in Shepard's mind. Now the reapers have the ability to better deceive and cloud his judgment. Hence the other two options.
You can't seriously consider this a convicing line of reasoning.
Then please, back up your arguement with some actual information instead of conjecture. You're not doing anything to help yourself with this line of response.
My line of reasoning is simple. If they want to trick him into defeat they should try to make him put a gun to his head and pull the trigger. Instead, they 'trick' him into blowing them up. It just does not hold and the "time passed" theory is very weak. So they indoctrinated him enough to make him see the god-child but are happy to see him use the destroy route without any opposition? Cripple his mind, do anything, he is going for the destroy route damn it..
MissMaster_2 wrote...
NAWhisperBlade wrote...
Does anyone think that the Stargazer was, in fact, Shepard?
Well. My Shep is a woman so no.
malakim2099 wrote...
NAWhisperBlade wrote...
Does anyone think that the Stargazer was, in fact, Shepard?
Considering my Shepard was female... no. At least, I had a male Stargazer on my ending (chose destruction, Shepard survived?)
Liara's struck me as odd. You wake up from a conduit dream and liara comes in and asks what's wrong. Shep says something to the effect of I haven't been sleeping well. She asks what shep was thinking about and shep says "Kaiden". I was like **** no I wasn't.LolaLei wrote...
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
Did Shepard ever mention the kid? I mean, they ask what is bothering Shepard so much, are we all sure that the kid never gets mentioned once?LolaLei wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
I think maybe the kid was real to begin with, you do see him playing with a toy normandy in the first scene, also there's a picture of the missing kid on the memorial wall in the holding docks. Someone said you can see the kid running into the room before it explodes, is that true?
No one but Shepard ever interacts with the child. There is no evidence that anyone sees that photo except Shepard.
That's true. the picture could be a red herring to make you think that the kid is real or something. This whole thing certainly gives you a lot to think about doesn't it!
I guess the fact that all the way through the game your team mates make comments about Shepards mental state definitely suggests that everything is starting to take its toll on him/her.
Shepard mentions the kid getting blown up once to one of her crew mates (I can't remember which one) saying how it didn't seem fair that the kid and thousands of others have died and Shepard lives.
FRancium wrote...
An explanation: in the indoctrination theory as I understand, is that whatever Shepard chooses doesn't really happen in real life. So "destruction" being the only option doesn't hurt reapers at all.Karait wrote...
It's funny how people who support the indoctrination theory are happy to ignore the question of why on low EMS there's only the option to destroy Reapers. Hell of trickery on their side to only give Shep the option to blow them up.
Also, how come Star gazer shows up even if Earth is oblitarated by low EMS' space magic? There clearly is a regular Earth tree out there, but Earth is no more.
As much as I'd like to see some sort of follow-up to current ending, I'm under no illusion that all those holes which enthusiasts consider messages which support Indoctrination Theory are simply shabby, lazy writing from people doing their 9 to 5 jobs.
A further step: I could argue that if your EMS is low, the reapers are not impressed, thus not inviting you to join them, which is the synthesis option unlocked only at high EMS (this is of course assuming turning into a husk-like state is different from synthesis, maybe a more independent, sentient state?)
I do like the theory, and of course it is easy to find logical solutions to explain anything.
I'd really like to see analysis of the PC version, to see if any clues/parts are left behind, as was the case with From Ashes.
Otherwise, even if Bioware does nothing, I'll always believe this theory, as I find it more elegant (no final boss, no dialogue with Harbinger, 5 sentences of explanations of the reapers' purpose? no thanks)
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
I think A).G0thicRhino wrote...
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
That's a great point...Ecmoose wrote...
Just want to point out something I just noticed.
I just started a 3rd play through and right after the child runs into the building it gets destroyed by a Reaper laser, this we've all seen.
Well the vent he's found in, is directly in line with the Reaper laser that hit the building. There is NO WAY he could have survived that blast. It blew out the windows and knocked the other vents from the ceiling. Even if he missed the actual blast the heat alone would have burnt him to a crisp. There is no way that kid is anything but a hallucination.
Also someone noted that the vent has a "DANGER DIS VENT IS FREAKING ELECTRIFIED" sign near it, or something. More clues to suggest the child isn't alive. So it's possible that:
A) The kid is alive up until that point.
OrShep is already in the process of indoctrination from one of the earlier games.
He probably saw the kid in the yard, playing with the ship, but everything else was just his mind, trying to give him something to grasp on to.
I just assumed that it was implied you were knocked off your feet into unconciousness.LolaLei wrote...
Did anyone else notice that the lazer didn't even hit Shepard? He descended into the hallucination/indoctrination before it even got to him.
That's probably just a glitch or something though.
Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 13 mars 2012 - 04:03 .
Yeah, at that moment I was thinking about Mordin, because he just died right before that.Fledgey wrote...
Liara's struck me as odd. You wake up from a conduit dream and liara comes in and asks what's wrong. Shep says something to the effect of I haven't been sleeping well. She asks what shep was thinking about and shep says "Kaiden". I was like **** no I wasn't.LolaLei wrote...
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
Did Shepard ever mention the kid? I mean, they ask what is bothering Shepard so much, are we all sure that the kid never gets mentioned once?LolaLei wrote...
Rafe34 wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
I think maybe the kid was real to begin with, you do see him playing with a toy normandy in the first scene, also there's a picture of the missing kid on the memorial wall in the holding docks. Someone said you can see the kid running into the room before it explodes, is that true?
No one but Shepard ever interacts with the child. There is no evidence that anyone sees that photo except Shepard.
That's true. the picture could be a red herring to make you think that the kid is real or something. This whole thing certainly gives you a lot to think about doesn't it!
I guess the fact that all the way through the game your team mates make comments about Shepards mental state definitely suggests that everything is starting to take its toll on him/her.
Shepard mentions the kid getting blown up once to one of her crew mates (I can't remember which one) saying how it didn't seem fair that the kid and thousands of others have died and Shepard lives.
Sl4sh3r wrote...
Important links from earlier that you should be aware of...
Both Male Shepard and FemShep can be heard behind the Ghost Childs voice
http://social.biowar...423/223#9840345
http://social.biowar...423/221#9839712
Anything above 4k EMS(approx.) the Ghost Child says "Wake Up" in a calm voice
Anything under 4K EMS(approx.) the Chost Child says "Why are you here?" in a somewhat angry voice
http://social.biowar...423/223#9840323
xDarkspace wrote...
Rip504 wrote...
Was the ending a hallucination?
No you are trying to find meaning in a meaningless ending.
and your trying to find a meaning to you"R" meaningless life.
Modifié par Rip504, 13 mars 2012 - 04:04 .
What do you guys think? You think the kid was dead all along, died during the attack...?G0thicRhino wrote...
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
I think A).G0thicRhino wrote...
ReclaimedHavoc wrote...
That's a great point...Ecmoose wrote...
Just want to point out something I just noticed.
I just started a 3rd play through and right after the child runs into the building it gets destroyed by a Reaper laser, this we've all seen.
Well the vent he's found in, is directly in line with the Reaper laser that hit the building. There is NO WAY he could have survived that blast. It blew out the windows and knocked the other vents from the ceiling. Even if he missed the actual blast the heat alone would have burnt him to a crisp. There is no way that kid is anything but a hallucination.
Also someone noted that the vent has a "DANGER DIS VENT IS FREAKING ELECTRIFIED" sign near it, or something. More clues to suggest the child isn't alive. So it's possible that:
A) The kid is alive up until that point.
Or
He probably saw the kid in the yard, playing with the ship, but everything else was just his mind, trying to give him something to grasp on to.
Mhm, that could very easily be the case. Man, I love this thread. Once again, thank you Byne.<3
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