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[xDarkspace]

MatthewGold wrote...

Joshua Ovenshire ‏ @TheJovenshire · Open
They weren't kidding when they said you'll tear up while playing @masseffect 3. Damn.
13m Melissa Kay ‏ @mechamelissa · Open
@TheJovenshire @masseffect I've already cried twice.
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@mechamelissa Save some of those tears. You're gonna need it.

https://twitter.com/...420196522573825

so that means the games not over more people are going to die or save the tears when they say this is the real ending and they r not fixing it lol.

Modifié par xDarkspace, 13 mars 2012 - 04:21 .

[MissMaster_2]

MatthewGold wrote...

Joshua Ovenshire ‏ @TheJovenshire · Open
They weren't kidding when they said you'll tear up while playing @masseffect 3. Damn.
13m Melissa Kay ‏ @mechamelissa · Open
@TheJovenshire @masseffect I've already cried twice.
Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect Close
@mechamelissa Save some of those tears. You're gonna need it.

https://twitter.com/...420196522573825

ISH'!

Modifié par MissMaster_2, 13 mars 2012 - 04:22 .

[ReclaimedHavoc]

CaptnObvious wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

But what does it matter, if Shepard beats indoctrination? Ultimately, he is lying critically wounded in a no-mans land with Harbinger looming above. Things still haven't been resolved as they should.

I just think someone needs to slap some medi-gel on it and no one will know the difference.

Medi-gel fixes everything, remember?

Except when its plot convenient. Then fogettaboutit. 

Beside you mentionned something i thought was interesting: Harbinger is right in front of you, you get up, and he just... flys away. What for? He was guarding the beam anyway, he had NO reason to go, and we don't see anything that gets his attention. He just thinks " oh right, finally ill let that Shepard fellow in. THE KID SAID SO".

Yeah, I think it's funny you seriously see Harby fly away.

I refuse to believe they would only have four guys sitting there to guard the most critical weakness of their fleet.

[crimsontotem]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

they why do we hear male shep and fem shep voice through that kid as well? 

Is the child's voice a fusion of male and fem shep throughout the entire game, or is it an actor that has those two voices overlaying their own only during the Catalyst sequence? Assuming its the latter, I'm going to with Occam's Razor on this one and assume that they used multiple voices merely to give the Star Child a sense of extravagance by having him speak through multiple voices at once. Not the first time BioWare has done it, they did the samething with the Rachni in the Arlakh Company mission. That one still gives me the creeps .

like that too. Valid point 

[omgBAMF]

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

I thought this was simple and explained a while ago.  You are dreaming/hallucinating/indoc'd, so when you pick "destroy" you aren't destroying anything.  It not real.  Your ems is too low to be any threat to the reapers.  Your ground forces suck and you don't survive the blast.  Simple enough to me.

[Tony_Knightcrawler]

crimsontotem wrote...



2:15 when the kid says "Choose"... Harbinger's echo?

Yeah, someone else brought that up a few replies ago. Sounds vaguely like it...

[JasonTan87]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

I spent all day in this thread, is this a bad sign? o.o

Don't worry, I spent the whole of yesterday in this thread, and i watched the page count grow from 2 to 3 digits. 

Modifié par JasonTan87, 13 mars 2012 - 04:23 .

[camcon2100]

crimsontotem wrote...



2:15 when the kid says "Choose"... Harbinger's echo?

Holy **** I heard it!

[Rahabzu]

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

He's not physically at the crucible at all, the breath at the end is him still under the rubble. He was unconscious during the indoctrination attempt according to this theory. He never "Destroyed" the reapers the whole thing is choosing control or synthesis is giving into the Reaper doctrine similar to Illusive man or Saren. Choosing to destroy is staying true to your convictions

[BlackDragonBane]

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

I think you keep missing the point.

EMS is based on time.

Rush through the game: Missing alot of assets, resources, and allies: Reapers only give you Destroy because they know you can't win. You don't have the manpower or firepower to, so it wouldn't matter. You'll fail and die, meaning they don't have to worry about indoctrinating Shepard

Actually play the content: Have all or majoirty of assets and resources, gain all possible allies: Reapers suddenly have a massive army to fight. that could possibly destroy them. Self preservation kicks in. The time spent gathering a large EMS score means indoctrination has had a longer time to manifest. Reapers use it by presenting you with 3 options and make the 2 they want appealing to Shepard's sensibilities while making Destroy sound like the worst possible option.

If you give in, the Reapers turn you into a sleeper agent and use you to destroy your fleets and alliances from within.

Don't give in and your resist the indoctrination and can obliterate the Reapers in to particle dust.

Anything not clear about this explaination at all still?

The deicision ONLY determines if you succumb to indoctrination or not, not if the Reapers are destroyed. It's not real, it's just Harbinger trying to keep you from undoing the cycle.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 13 mars 2012 - 04:24 .

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Rahabzu wrote...

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

He's not physically at the crucible at all, the breath at the end is him still under the rubble. He was unconscious during the indoctrination attempt according to this theory. He never "Destroyed" the reapers the whole thing is choosing control or synthesis is giving into the Reaper doctrine similar to Illusive man or Saren. Choosing to destroy is staying true to your convictions

This.

[Fledgey]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

I think you keep missing the point.

EMS is based on time.

Rush through the game: Missing alot of assets, resources, and allies: Reapers only give you Destroy because they know you can't win. You don't have the manpower or firepower to, so it wouldn't matter. You'll fail and die, meaning they don't have to worry about indoctrinating Shepard

Actually play the content: Have all or majoirty of assets and resources, gain all possible allies: Reapers suddenly have a massive army to fight. that could possibly destroy them. Self preservation kicks in. The time spent gathering a large EMS score means indoctrination has had a longer time to manifest. Reapers use it by presenting you with 3 options and make the 2 they want appealing to Shepard's sensibilities while making Destroy sound like the worst possible option.

If you give in, the Reapers turn you into a sleeper agent and use you to destroy your fleets and alliances from within.

Don't give in and your resist the indoctrination and can obliterate the Reapers in to particle dust.

Anything not clear about this explaination at all still?

Bingo. Also note that the best ending swings right back around to destroy which is the only ending that recieves a bonus vid.

[balance5050]

Karait wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

EMS is a measure of time as well as military  strength, the more time, the more elaborate the ruse to trick you into joining. Also you need a high EMS to keep you alive while you're in lala land. Makes perfect sense, they don't need you to join them if the army you amassed isn't enough of a threat.

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

He's not really blowing them up though, they don't need you to join so they leave you with the destroy option. They hate your guts so they only want you to join if they have to.

[Karait]

Like it's been said, its a hallucination. No one really dies. They just make Shepard think that. Him picturing everyone dying is him thinking that he's won, but he's lost everyone else as well. He's completed his goal, but the price was too great. He's destroyed the Reapers, but he still lost because no one's around to actually enjoy the new peace that destroying the Reapers brought.

And I'd say that a planet with two moons is pretty important. Unless I look outside and see two moons up in the sky all of a sudden, I'm going to bet the Stargazer isn't on Earth. And if he isn't on Earth, then it's even more evidence that the Reapers completed their goal. The Stargazer is from a future cycle. 

So what you're trying to say is that they indoctrinated him and put some cheap story into his head to keep him occupied for a while, but they would actually vary this cheap story based on the size of army Shep brought with him? To what extent of absurd are you willing to go just to have an upper hand here really?

[manjikengo]

Kid "Everyone's dying."

Shep "Take my hand, I need to get you somewhere safe."

Kid "You can't help me."


And the kid just kinda....eh"whatevs"

I joined BSN JUST to mention the kid staring straight at you when he hops into the humpback(i think that's what the transports are called, can't remember) too though someone beat me to that punch.

[KoryDavis]

yagaelvin wrote...

So LONG time lurker here at BSN ever since ME2 came out and wandered by wanting to know how to survive the suicide mission.  This thread finally made me decide to post for the first time.

Anyway, there's a lot to say about this thread.  The more I read it the more fascinated it becomes considering I too hated the ending while I loved the rest of the game.  Personally though I only think two things come to mind that we can consider

1.  While all the "evidence" we have is impressive, it's still purely speculation no matter how much we try to spin it.  We have no real definitive proof one way or the other in what the ending is.  That's why the argument could really go either way that the ending was actually a "dream" or just really bad writing.  Always keep that in mind.

2. With that being said, the ONLY thing we know for certain is that Bioware is holding something back.  That's from the various tweets that they've posted in the last week or so (btw if anyone can compile them all in one post would be great) where mostly everyone has said something to the effect of "we can't comment on that yet".  The only exception I think was Mike Gamble(?) who tweeted about "If we only knew what we had planned".  Now that could mean anything from ending DLC (free or not) to anything else involving ME3.

So honestly, while the "evidence" we have is great and everything the only REAL thing that is giving me hope is the fact that no one at Bioware has said anything definitive one way or the other about this besides "No comment"  more or less.  And you know what they say when you can neither confirm nor deny something....

Didn't Bioware say something about them wanting us to save our ME3 files?

[Shunt Mcblunt]

Asterantha wrote...

Shunt Mcblunt wrote...

Star Gazer was there to tell you Shepards story is not over.

This means no matter what you choose it will be effected in the future. Please note Shepard might be the Villian if you choose the death path.

Yes, but we're all afraid that the DLC will be arguably pointless -- like retaking Omega.  It'd be fun, sure, but we're just so afraid that "one more story of the Shepard" will not equate to real closure and the finale of Shep's story, but something far less desired and valuable.

What is One more story is your crew trying to rush to Omega to get an objet to operate the Crucible and free Shepard from the Reapers control. Then it not the TIM you fight for the Object it is Shepard. 

Remember what all the Crew said even Joker, "We will fight till the End!" This means even if you die they will carry on. This why I think the End was BS - Joker running away? He did not runaway at the Collector base. He did not run away from Soverign. 

[FlamingxTsunami]

 There's a problem with your idea. TIM was controlling Shepard and Anderson for that brief moment they were there on the Citadel  (that makes the most sense). The child is just a familiar manifestation of the Reaper Creator's self (because Shepard probably can't comprehend what he would actually look like). And no matter what ending you choose Shepard dies, and every Mass Relay is destroyed. The Control Ending, Shepard controls the Reapers, which means that he'll make them never attack again. The Synthesis Ending, the Reapers become part of organic life, essentially destroying them. The Destroy Ending, Shepard dies in the explosion of the Citadel and all synthetics are destroyed.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

camcon2100 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...



2:15 when the kid says "Choose"... Harbinger's echo?

Holy **** I heard it!

I didn't hear it, or the Meer/Hale thing.

But...

I want to believe. Particularly Harbinger/indoctrination.

I will admit, when I first met the kid and he said I can't help him or whatever, I thought "Hmm, I wonder if this is indoctrination?"

Modifié par PKchu, 13 mars 2012 - 04:28 .

[crimsontotem]

Karait wrote...

Like it's been said, its a hallucination. No one really dies. They just make Shepard think that. Him picturing everyone dying is him thinking that he's won, but he's lost everyone else as well. He's completed his goal, but the price was too great. He's destroyed the Reapers, but he still lost because no one's around to actually enjoy the new peace that destroying the Reapers brought.

And I'd say that a planet with two moons is pretty important. Unless I look outside and see two moons up in the sky all of a sudden, I'm going to bet the Stargazer isn't on Earth. And if he isn't on Earth, then it's even more evidence that the Reapers completed their goal. The Stargazer is from a future cycle. 

So what you're trying to say is that they indoctrinated him and put some cheap story into his head to keep him occupied for a while, but they would actually vary this cheap story based on the size of army Shep brought with him? To what extent of absurd are you willing to go just to have an upper hand here really?

simple, if you have high enough readiness and military strength, while you are indoctrinated, army can last sometime, enough time for you to "wake up" and fight again. If you don't have enough army, well it doesn't matter if you wake up or not cuz your force is obliterated.  

[MissMaster_2]

Karait wrote...

Like it's been said, its a hallucination. No one really dies. They just make Shepard think that. Him picturing everyone dying is him thinking that he's won, but he's lost everyone else as well. He's completed his goal, but the price was too great. He's destroyed the Reapers, but he still lost because no one's around to actually enjoy the new peace that destroying the Reapers brought.

And I'd say that a planet with two moons is pretty important. Unless I look outside and see two moons up in the sky all of a sudden, I'm going to bet the Stargazer isn't on Earth. And if he isn't on Earth, then it's even more evidence that the Reapers completed their goal. The Stargazer is from a future cycle. 

So what you're trying to say is that they indoctrinated him and put some cheap story into his head to keep him occupied for a while, but they would actually vary this cheap story based on the size of army Shep brought with him? To what extent of absurd are you willing to go just to have an upper hand here really?

So you really think everything that happens in the last 10 min is real?

[BlackDragonBane]

Karait wrote...

Like it's been said, its a hallucination. No one really dies. They just make Shepard think that. Him picturing everyone dying is him thinking that he's won, but he's lost everyone else as well. He's completed his goal, but the price was too great. He's destroyed the Reapers, but he still lost because no one's around to actually enjoy the new peace that destroying the Reapers brought.

And I'd say that a planet with two moons is pretty important. Unless I look outside and see two moons up in the sky all of a sudden, I'm going to bet the Stargazer isn't on Earth. And if he isn't on Earth, then it's even more evidence that the Reapers completed their goal. The Stargazer is from a future cycle. 

So what you're trying to say is that they indoctrinated him and put some cheap story into his head to keep him occupied for a while, but they would actually vary this cheap story based on the size of army Shep brought with him? To what extent of absurd are you willing to go just to have an upper hand here really?

The bigger the army, the more likely the Reapers take casualities and run the risk of being destroyed themselves. They fear Shepard as much as they hate him/her.

If the Reapers can turn Shepard, which they've been TRYING to do since ME2, Shepard can be used to destroy any form of resistence from within, because Shepard is a hero, no one would suspect Shepard to be Reaper sleeper agent and those that know would already be dead.

[Rolling Flame]

Despite my previous post, may I say that I really like this theory, and hope it turns out to be true, though we need DLC to properly finish the story. I really hope that the two squaddies that charged Harbinger with you didn't get swacked as well, because then I killed my two favourite characters (Liara and Garrus).

Now, I'm going to replay the charge scene to see how far away they were when Harbinger fired at Shepard.

[ElectronicPostingInterface]

There is some small solace in the fact that ME3 is the 2012 version of Monkey Island 2's "non-ending."

[camcon2100]

PKchu wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...



2:15 when the kid says "Choose"... Harbinger's echo?

Holy **** I heard it!

I didn't hear it, or the Meer/Hale thing.

But...

I want to believe. Particularly Harbinger/indoctrination.

I will admit, when I first met the kid and he said I can't help him or whatever, I thought "Hmm, I wonder if this is indoctrination?"

Hmm i find it pretty easy to hear hale and meer in that sequence...