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[Illusive]

Honestly, if this theory is true and Bioware does release the real ending in a patch, then it would be one of the best plot twists ever.

[krystalevenstar]

CommanderSmacker wrote...

Well to me it kinda does seem like the kid was never there from the beginning because for 1) he is probably just a representation of earth and all the lives on earth and 2) you'll notice that when Shepard tries to help him in the beginning that he all of a sudden disappears like super quick when anderson distracts Shepard and 3) Doesn't sem like anyone else notices the kid getting on the cruiser when they try to escape.

For that matter, I don't think Shepard, at least not my Shepard, would have let a child decide whether or not I could save them and just let them wander off into a warzone and hope to survive.

[FugitiveMind]

I had to pull this over from another thread, and I'm too lazy to retype it all, but for comparison's sake I had to...

FugitiveMind wrote...

primalgoose wrote...

Just think of the outrage people would have gotten if in Harry Potter, Voldemort actually killed him, then proceeded to T-bag his corpse and run away laughing..

Well damn, this well placed joke....

This is exactly what would have happened if in that last HP book, it ended immediately after HP took a green bolt to the face and had the train station bit.

Ended

Right there... no follow up, no climactic battle, no finish or closure. Just some metaphysical is this in my mind conversation with a dead guy, then fade out...

Amazing that a t-bagging joke leads me to the best comparison in today's culture for what this actually is

[Lotarion]

Blue (control) - Indoctrination
Green (synth) - joining (like Human Reaper from Me2 was created from dissolved humans and i think Harby was created from Proteans. It is "harder to get" becouse in Reapers eye's it's an ascension. The Collectors in Me2 said themselves (or Harby said) - prepare this people for Ascension).
Red (destroy) - survival. Sheppard saw Anderson on thi path. His mind was telling him that this is the right way and not the blue one with TIM. Plus it is the easiest one to get...and the hardest one (Shepard lives) so it is a perfect deception from BW).

[AvianCat]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Synthesis is presented as a utopia where everyone can coexist. The Reapers want everyone to be partially synthetic because they can insert reaper code into synthetics, as is shown with the geth.

I think you got this partially wrong, Reapers are built from organic material and tech, much like how every organic and machine ends up in the synthesis ending. Meaning sythesis would lead to more Reapers.

[Foulpancake]

I think that Kitten there hit it on the head, or at least if he/she didn't its how things SHOULD be. Logical.

Beam hits, shepard gets knocked out. Upon waking up in the dream state looking thing, couple of things to notice too. Harbinger is gone, if shepard has been such a threat, wouldn't you think he would stick around to make sure? Shepard couldn't have been out for more than a minute or so. Also the marauder that attacks you dies in 1 hit from a pistol...takes a whole crapload more to put one down.

The whole choice thing by the child, he dissuades you from Red, but not from the others. So really do think Kitten hit it, by choosing red you have broken the control, and Shepard wakes up in London after getting hit by the beam. And the reason this only happens with 5000+ is because without that, there was not enough forces to last that long. If you chose red with >5000, well its too late everyone is dead already.

God i hope this is the case, i swear if it is...kudos to Bioware for putting a fast one over on us...

I think i'm hoping beyond hope...but oh please let it be truth

[DrDetective]

Damn. Even if they don't do anything, in which case I will not be buying any DLC, I feel like I can at least play the core game again, now. Granted, it has a cliffhanger ending now, but still, it's better than it was.

[k8ee]

M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

It seems odd that it would be timed for the EXACT moment that Shepard turns away.

Perhaps to reinforce the sense of urgency that Shepard and Anderson need to move.  The same noise can be heard at 1:37  (the background noise, and not the piece of metal they're moving).  I think it's just a generic Reaper noise.  From my point of view, I think the beginning interactions with the child in the beginning actually happened.  It's something that has haunted Shepard and continues to dwell on his head, which is something the Reaper was able to manipulate later on.  The child has become a representation of Shepard's futility.

Yes, totally. And is the best way to convince Shepard to kill him/herself which ends the struggle against the reapers. The choices offered to Shep are given by the very thing he/she was trying to destroy.

[humes spork]

MPSai wrote...

Well the Synthesis ending would basically be converting the entire population of the galaxy and all organic life to biomechanical Reaper tech wouldn't it? I fail to see how that's not exactly what the Reapers were doing.

Well, going along the lines of what we know, it's still not according to Reaper plans.

Reapers want to turn each cycle's organic life into Reapers. The merge ending specifically denies them that end, by making every lifeform an organic/synthetic hybrid retaining their own appearance, form, individuality, and uniqueness, and beyond the Reapers' control. And since they're hybrids, there's no guarantee that Indoctrination will in any way work against them since synthetic psychology precludes traditional Indoctrination tactics and organic physiology precludes inserting Reaper source code.

[MPSai]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

They don't. We are the first cycle to complete the Crucible and interact with the Catalyst.

I'm not sure how converting everyone and everything into basically more advanced Husks isn't a Reaper win.

[Sajuro]

I don't know if you put this up, but if it is a hallucination then the Catalyst could have lied to you and when you use the synthesis option it makes everyone into the ultimate fusion of organic and synthetic, Reapers!
The scene where the Normandy crashes is just part of Shepard's dieing mind, and what he imagines would happen.

[AvianCat]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

They don't. We are the first cycle to complete the Crucible and interact with the Catalyst.

Yes, but in the same manner the ones who implemented the Catalyst as a power source must have known what it was before knowing how to use.

[Kitten Tactics]

I threw the list up in the megathread, inviting others to join the discussion here. Hope to see more talk about it because this is making me feel kind of okay about the whole thing.

[Turtlicious]

Oh thank god, this actually makes me feel a lot better, because it would even explain his little gasp of breath at the end. I'm actually starting to feel giddy and at peace. OH thank you smart people for figuring a way to make this ending justifiable.

[kyleh619]

Trying to move traffic to this thread from:
"The ending is an hallucination! You are being Indoctrinated!."
To much back and forth for the same topic.

[humes spork]

FugitiveMind wrote...

I had to pull this over from another thread, and I'm too lazy to retype it all, but for comparison's sake I had to...

Well, in HP7 that actually is kind of what happened since Voldemort took...liberties...with Harry's "corpse". Namely tossing him around with levicorpus and hitting him with crucio (which didn't affect Harry due to plot armor) just to make sure Harry was actually dead. Then Harry eventually got back up and ran around like a moron until Voldemort killed his own dumb ass.

Just to be accurate.

[Alamar2078]

I can't see how the endings [probably everything after the Reaper beam that "kills" Shep] are anything else but a hallucination.

Then again maybe I'm still in "denial" ....

[lookingglassmind]

Which mega thread did you post it to? We should be directing all theories to one thread.

[Foulpancake]

Sajuro wrote...

I don't know if you put this up, but if it is a hallucination then the Catalyst could have lied to you and when you use the synthesis option it makes everyone into the ultimate fusion of organic and synthetic, Reapers!
The scene where the Normandy crashes is just part of Shepard's dieing mind, and what he imagines would happen.

Ya, also notice the normandy crashing scene is before the shepard breathing scene in the good end. It doesn't really make a ton of sense why shepard would still see this if red = break control, but it still fits.

[k8ee]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...I've also noticed by watching the ending that the destroy option is the only one wich shepard don't look like a husk before his death.anyone saw that?

What? Can someone elaborate?  I only did Destroy.

In Synthesis and Control, Shepard's skin turns black and she/he begins to take the appearance of a husk.  This could be a metaphor for falling under Reaper control.

HOLY you're right. How did that not register with me???

[mupp3tz]

humes spork wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I had to pull this over from another thread, and I'm too lazy to retype it all, but for comparison's sake I had to...

Well, in HP7 that actually is kind of what happened since Voldemort took...liberties...with Harry's "corpse". Namely tossing him around with levicorpus and hitting him with crucio (which didn't affect Harry due to plot armor) just to make sure Harry was actually dead. Then Harry eventually got back up and ran around like a moron until Voldemort killed his own dumb ass.

Just to be accurate.

I know this is off topic but: lulz.

[Kitten Tactics]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Which mega thread did you post it to? We should be directing all theories to one thread.

I posted it in the giant thread complaining about the endings, inviting people interested in the matter to come here.

[FugitiveMind]

humes spork wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I had to pull this over from another thread, and I'm too lazy to retype it all, but for comparison's sake I had to...

Well, in HP7 that actually is kind of what happened since Voldemort took...liberties...with Harry's "corpse". Namely tossing him around with levicorpus and hitting him with crucio (which didn't affect Harry due to plot armor) just to make sure Harry was actually dead. Then Harry eventually got back up and ran around like a moron until Voldemort killed his own dumb ass.

Just to be accurate.

But all that happens AFTER....

this entire game "ending" is anlgous to if at the end of the train station bit, the book just ended.

[Animositisomina]

k8ee wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...I've also noticed by watching the ending that the destroy option is the only one wich shepard don't look like a husk before his death.anyone saw that?

What? Can someone elaborate?  I only did Destroy.

In Synthesis and Control, Shepard's skin turns black and she/he begins to take the appearance of a husk.  This could be a metaphor for falling under Reaper control.

HOLY you're right. How did that not register with me???

The only problem with this theory is that you need "dragon's teeth" to convert people into husks.

[Foulpancake]

k8ee wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Kitten Tactics wrote...

RussianOrc wrote...I've also noticed by watching the ending that the destroy option is the only one wich shepard don't look like a husk before his death.anyone saw that?

What? Can someone elaborate?  I only did Destroy.

In Synthesis and Control, Shepard's skin turns black and she/he begins to take the appearance of a husk.  This could be a metaphor for falling under Reaper control.

HOLY you're right. How did that not register with me???

oh wow you're right. Shepard is becoming a husk in the blue/green but that never happens in red!...I think i just smiled for the first time since i finished this game