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[tarion zul]

I'm kinda hoping it is a halucination

[hex23]

Karait wrote...

It still isn't a feasible explanation as to why Reapers merrily lead Shep to the blow-reapers-up button.

Uh....I think you're missing the point.

If all of this happens in Shepard's head the "blow up the Reapers" button doesn't actually exist. It's just a metaphor for fighting off their indoctrination attempt.

As far as why this is the only option open if you have low EMS, because it doesn't matter if he doesn't get indoctrinated. He dies anyway. No chance of survival = no reason to sugar coat his available options.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

And anyone else see a link between the oddly random Reaper Turian, and three Husks? Dont they look a bit... familiar to your crew? Not the models though, i mean the princple of having three husks, maybe representing Ash , James and i dont know who else, and Garrus as the Turian. Though i wonder where banshee liara is.
Maybe you killed your buddies in a indoctrination induced daze?

Liara Banshee scares the living crap out of me just by the thought...

But the part where Harbinger leaves is likely part of the hallucination. Shepard thinks that Harbinger thinks he/she is dead and just goes to rejoin the battle with the fleets.

It's a stretch I admit.

It is a bit of a stretch  I doubt he would think that. That's quite optimistic, even for paragon Shep.
To me the most logical explanation to why Harby goes away is because the Future Child said so.And that's not what i believe, because logic got nothing against Space Magic:wizard:

Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

Why do you say DA and ME exist in the same universe? Because of the Ogre statue in the Kasumi DLC?
Idk if you're being serious, but after I saw that, I just assumed the video game Dragon Age still existed.

[The Bridgeburner]

BlackDragonBane wrote...


Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

... Why does this make perfect sense?! I knew it all along!

[pumpkinpirate]

Golferguy758 wrote...

Karait wrote...

SandTrout wrote... I hadn't even considered that gathering more EMS = Takeing more time = more cumulative effect from indoctrination. That is really an excellent point.

I'm more inclined to believe that Reapers would put more attention to indoctrinating Shepard based on the size of army the face. Still, Reapers surely know that Shep is the driving force behind this cycle's resistance and I'm pretty sure they'd fry his brain (or at least do their best against their arch-enemy) the second they had the opportunity.

Anyway, I'd consider this a plot inconsistency and I'd take it any day instead of gaping plot holes and spacekid/spacemagic nonsense we've been given.

I would think they would want to convert him even more. Shepard has been a thorn in the Reapers side for 3 years now. They are extremely prideful. What better way to crush the hope of your most hated enemy race (Currently humans) than by corrupting their most charismatic and important leader. If they indoctrinated Shepard the alliances would fall apart in short order and kill any resistance to the Reapers.

If I wanted to wipe out a species and prove that no matter who fights against me i can corrupt and bend them to my will, I would corrupt the one who has been leading the figth against me.

That's my theory on why Harbinger wants Shepard so badly.

I also read that they try to indoctrinate military and political leadesr to make the slaughter easier. I think it was in the Reaper section of the codex.

[GreatBandit]

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[bitcloudrzr]

The Bridgeburner wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

... Why does this make perfect sense?! I knew it all along!

Makes......perfect....sense....?

[DarkSeraphym]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

Husks are predominantly made up of synthetic components grafted to organic ones. We already know that Shepard is partially synthetic, the Star Child mentions that and those are the only two endings in which you literally see Shepard "coming apart at the seams". Its supportive evidence for the indoctrination theory, but its rather weak since counterarguments can be made based upon what is said about Shepard in-game.

[LolaLei]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

 

Huskified?

Lol thought that was just Shep's body frying and turning into space dust.

Modifié par LolaLei, 13 mars 2012 - 04:55 .

[FLYING GRENADE11]

FLYING GRENADE11 wrote...

 

Huskified?

same with the control ending btw

[ReclaimedHavoc]

DarkSeraphym wrote...

ceruleancrescent wrote...

Husks are predominantly made up of synthetic components grafted to organic ones. We already know that Shepard is partially synthetic, the Star Child mentions that and those are the only two endings in which you literally see Shepard "coming apart at the seams". Its supportive evidence for the indoctrination theory, but its rather weak since counterarguments can be made based upon what is said about Shepard in-game.

For some reason, these pictures make me really sad.

[LenabotSE]

Hold onto your butts for the revelation that this is all an April Fools joke in the works.

Modifié par LenabotSE, 13 mars 2012 - 04:56 .

[BlackDragonBane]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

And anyone else see a link between the oddly random Reaper Turian, and three Husks? Dont they look a bit... familiar to your crew? Not the models though, i mean the princple of having three husks, maybe representing Ash , James and i dont know who else, and Garrus as the Turian. Though i wonder where banshee liara is.
Maybe you killed your buddies in a indoctrination induced daze?

Liara Banshee scares the living crap out of me just by the thought...

But the part where Harbinger leaves is likely part of the hallucination. Shepard thinks that Harbinger thinks he/she is dead and just goes to rejoin the battle with the fleets.

It's a stretch I admit.

It is a bit of a stretch  I doubt he would think that. That's quite optimistic, even for paragon Shep.
To me the most logical explanation to why Harby goes away is because the Future Child said so.And that's not what i believe, because logic got nothing against Space Magic:wizard:

Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

Why do you say DA and ME exist in the same universe? Because of the Ogre statue in the Kasumi DLC?
Idk if you're being serious, but after I saw that, I just assumed the video game Dragon Age still existed.

I was joking. In no way would I actually support something so ridiculous as this as an explaination to anything.

[Howlsfury]

In the words of Wrex:"Dont ****** on me and tell me its raining". i Love mass effect, i took two weeks off work for this game, I have read the comics, the books, and dumped well over 300+ hours on me2 alone. Me3 deserves a better ending then this, the fans, and Bioware them selves deserve a better ending.

[The Bridgeburner]

bitcloudrzr wrote...

Makes......perfect....sense....?

It doesn't to you? 

[DarkSeraphym]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

For some reason, these pictures make me really sad.

I've gone with the Control ending twice and I can safely say that I feel terrible watching Shepard's hands pull away from those circuits. I can't even imagine how painful that must have been based upon his reaction and what actually happens to his body.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

And anyone else see a link between the oddly random Reaper Turian, and three Husks? Dont they look a bit... familiar to your crew? Not the models though, i mean the princple of having three husks, maybe representing Ash , James and i dont know who else, and Garrus as the Turian. Though i wonder where banshee liara is.
Maybe you killed your buddies in a indoctrination induced daze?

Liara Banshee scares the living crap out of me just by the thought...

But the part where Harbinger leaves is likely part of the hallucination. Shepard thinks that Harbinger thinks he/she is dead and just goes to rejoin the battle with the fleets.

It's a stretch I admit.

It is a bit of a stretch  I doubt he would think that. That's quite optimistic, even for paragon Shep.
To me the most logical explanation to why Harby goes away is because the Future Child said so.And that's not what i believe, because logic got nothing against Space Magic:wizard:

Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

Why do you say DA and ME exist in the same universe? Because of the Ogre statue in the Kasumi DLC?
Idk if you're being serious, but after I saw that, I just assumed the video game Dragon Age still existed.

I was joking. In no way would I actually support something so ridiculous as this as an explaination to anything.

Alrighty lol. I do believe Dragon Age exists in the ME universe, just as a video game.

[twhunter]

Everyone should see this if they haven’t already …..

SEE THE FULL THREAD @

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"This thread is to discuss a donation drive to the Child's Play charity in order to bring positive attention to our respectful requests for an alternate ending to the Mass Effect series.
Child's Play is a charity which provides game hardware and software to Children's Hospitals around the world. It was created by gamers and for gamers.
Our plan is to coordinate donations via the ChipIn service which will act as a neutral party to ensure all donations make it directly to the Child's Play charity. ChipIn is the service officially recognized by Child's Play for coordination of online donation drives. It also ensures that the donations are in the name of the cause and not any other party. Donations are made via Paypal.
Regardless of the outcome of this petition, any donations made to Child's Play go to a worthy charity.
Please post feedback on the proposed petition. I'd like to hear from as many supporters as possible before claiming that the petition represents the voice of the community. I would also be happy to hear constructive criticism of the overall idea."

Modifié par twhunter, 13 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[corporal doody]

i believe it was mentioned that in ME....Dragon Age is a popular videogame...

it wasnt mentioned in-game....but one of the developers or the Doctors or something...i heard it in a interview

Modifié par corporal doody, 13 mars 2012 - 04:58 .

[Blacknesscat]

Heyo first off ignore my horrible handle its linked to a disposable account.
Second it is my belief that the chosen ending is not for or against the reapers mostly because Patrick Weese (Senior Producer) explicitly said you can't be the villain and you would saving the galaxy no matter the tactics. I would think leading humanity down the path to being goo-ified counts as evil.


Instead I propose that this is an indoctrination set in motion by TIM, lets start by viewing the end game choices.
1.) Controlling the reapers - The topic creator helpfully pointed out that this is illuminated in paragon colours. In addition to that Shepard says "so TIM was right"
-The boy's response + the fact that he could be a mental construct of TIM has some support from Jacob's (ME 2) cameo in ME 3 where a scientist says his savant sibling was hooked up the geth and consequently went insane. I can't recall him mentioning when this happened but TIM could have realized the dangers of attempting direct control. His solution to this could have been that when rebuilding Shepard he designed him/her to withstand the mental load and to serve as a indoctrinated terminal of sorts. 

2.)Synthesis - Instead of it being the ultimate victory for the reapers I would suggest it is the ultimate victory for TIM.
- TIM has been playing around with indoctrination for the entire game (ex. the face of the trooper on Mars, the side mission to collect the reaper artifacts (its the same level as a multiplayer level) and finally Sanctuary. I'm sure there is more)
- TIM has always wanted to be in absolute control (ex. Udina coup)
- As far as I could see the indoctrinated are not or can not be broken down to create reapers instead they are left behind to starve or die by the elements. ((indoctrination) See: Thorian Comparison. I haven't read the books so I could be wrong but its still support even if it is murky)

3.) Destruction of the reapers - Viewed as renegade but could be viewed as a partial loss
-TIM still gets access to reapers.
- Never is defined as to what destruction entitles could be a hibernation or a transfer program (ex. Legion's cameo about stopping Geth fighters from attacking Liveships)
-All we see is reapers covered in red electricity and they fall over.

Okay now for supporting evidence:
1.) TIM always states he wants Shepard to see things his way (Why?) He/she is disposable, even a threat at the end. It makes more sense to eliminate Shepard to remove any chance of interference. (Lets not forget TIM has been pretty keen on eliminating Miranda since the end of ME 2 (I destroyed collector base so I don't know about keeping it) why not Shepard?
-Its been how long since the collector base? It is kinda hard to believe that a threat like Shepard and not a single attempt against him/her before Mars.
-Why was EVA on Mars so inaccurate while fleeing Shepard? (I never got hit once and I ran in a straight line) The attack after the shuttle crashing can be explained as self-defence protocols being initiated or an attempt by TIM to get a "death by Shepard" after extraction was lost for EVA. Or perhaps he wanted Shepard to have some information so that he/she could continue on. A sort of carrot and stick approach

2.) The screen flairs each time you make a dialogue choice against TIM when he has Anderson hostage. (Almost positive it flairs everytime you make a choice.)
- This is Shepard resisting TIM's indoctrination and Anderson represents something like a subconcious
- His death in this scene can be explained as a contingency plan when convincing you didn't work. It could be a method of lowering resistance and making the final three choices something you decided and not suspect to being influenced by him.

3.) There is a lot of foreshadowing involving TIM playing around with indoctrination most of which I mentioned above. (ie. on Mars the face of the cereberus soldier, reaper artifact collection side mission, and Sanctuary for those of you don't wish to scroll up
- In contrast the Reapers are portrayed as blunt instruments that fully distort races into foot soldiers.
- All mentions of indoctrination are linked to instances with Cereberus involved

4.) Repeated mentioning that Shepard never had anything installed to control him/her (A deliberate attempt to get the player to think this way)
- Miranda's cameo at Sanctuary and her breakdown over her guilt about initially suggesting it.
- Video logs on Cereberus base with TIM saying no control devices
- The lack of these scenes would not have impacted the game in any way so why bring them up again not once but twice?
- TIM always wants control over his assets and quickly tries to dispatch them if they go rogue (ie, Miranda and Jacob) so why leave Shepard alone since the collector base? Unless he has something planned.
- Why have Miranda or that other random guy (voiced by Steve Blum I believe) attempt it when he could install it when rebuilding Shepard by someone better perhaps better versed in Reaper tech that they may have used to rebuild Shepard. After all he seems to enjoy compartmentalizing. So he could have kept Miranda in the dark while having someone under her command do it without her knowledge.

So what does all of this mean to me?
-The ending after being hit Harbinger(?) is like a training video of how things should have progressed or will progress when Shepard wakes up. Maybe the memory got shaken loose by the blast.
-I don't think any of the choices will be permanent more like if you choose destruction you wake up right after the blast.
-In contrast if you chose the other options you go through a dream trial then wake up. Its not entirely unprecedented with Bioware since has made some of the more difficult options more time consuming a rather crude example is ((Dragon Age spoiler) Connor at Red Cliff gave you options to kill him, or enter his dreams to fight off demon. The dream took longer.)
-Lastly I don't think Bioware wants to rub it in their fans' faces by saying you made the wrong choice now start over.

"Sigh" now I've said what I wanted to. Please excuse any grammar mistakes etc. and please consider TIM as an alternative to the Reaper indoctrination theory just for sake of debate if you have to. Also I felt kinda shafted by how things ended with TIM at end so I hope Bioware will give him a better exit from the series.

[CaptnObvious]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

It is a bit of a stretch  I doubt he would think that. That's quite optimistic, even for paragon Shep.
To me the most logical explanation to why Harby goes away is because the Future Child said so.And that's not what i believe, because logic got nothing against Space Magic:wizard:

Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

Well that would be my favorite kind of Space Magic, still better then the Magic that teleports Tali and Garrus on the Normandy. Unless they had a mage with them or a newer version.
Anyway, sorry to be going off topic, unless all the Space Magic also brings hallucinations...

[G0thicRhino]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

CaptnObvious wrote...

And anyone else see a link between the oddly random Reaper Turian, and three Husks? Dont they look a bit... familiar to your crew? Not the models though, i mean the princple of having three husks, maybe representing Ash , James and i dont know who else, and Garrus as the Turian. Though i wonder where banshee liara is.
Maybe you killed your buddies in a indoctrination induced daze?

Liara Banshee scares the living crap out of me just by the thought...

But the part where Harbinger leaves is likely part of the hallucination. Shepard thinks that Harbinger thinks he/she is dead and just goes to rejoin the battle with the fleets.

It's a stretch I admit.

It is a bit of a stretch  I doubt he would think that. That's quite optimistic, even for paragon Shep.
To me the most logical explanation to why Harby goes away is because the Future Child said so.And that's not what i believe, because logic got nothing against Space Magic:wizard:

Everytime I hear 'space magic' this is what goes through my mind

Dragon Age and Mass Effect are in the same universe, just Mass Effect takes place WAY after Dragon Age. Dragons and Arch Demons have become the all powerful Reapers, mages have been converted into synthetics and constantly rebel against those that wish to control them and Shepard is the descendant of the Grey Wardens and the only one capable of fighting the Reapers.

How's that for Space Magic? 

Why do you say DA and ME exist in the same universe? Because of the Ogre statue in the Kasumi DLC?
Idk if you're being serious, but after I saw that, I just assumed the video game Dragon Age still existed.

Nooo, the point is "space magic" is ridiculous. However, there was an interview with bioware founders Zeschuk and Muzyka about ME and DA being in the same universe somewhere... let me find that real quick.

And boom bam: 
http://kotaku.com/58...ioware-responds 

Kinda amusing. 
 

[Golferguy758]

Howlsfury wrote...

In the words of Wrex:"Dont ****** on me and tell me its raining". i Love mass effect, i took two weeks off work for this game, I have read the comics, the books, and dumped well over 300+ hours on me2 alone. Me3 deserves a better ending then this, the fans, and Bioware them selves deserve a better ending.

With rising frustration. Read the thread. First page. And I'll repeat that these are not the endings, but part of the climax still.

[camcon2100]

twhunter wrote...

Everyone should see this if they haven’t already …..
SEE THE FULL THREAD @ [social.bioware.com]
"This thread is to discuss a donation drive to the Child's Play charity in order to bring positive attention to our respectful requests for an alternate ending to the Mass Effect series.
Child's Play is a charity which provides game hardware and software to Children's Hospitals around the world. It was created by gamers and for gamers.
Our plan is to coordinate donations via the ChipIn service which will act as a neutral party to ensure all donations make it directly to the Child's Play charity. ChipIn is the service officially recognized by Child's Play for coordination of online donation drives. It also ensures that the donations are in the name of the cause and not any other party. Donations are made via Paypal.
Regardless of the outcome of this petition, any donations made to Child's Play go to a worthy charity.
Please post feedback on the proposed petition. I'd like to hear from as many supporters as possible before claiming that the petition represents the voice of the community. I would also be happy to hear constructive criticism of the overall idea."

I like the cause. Just post it where it is appropriate please.

[RyanHensley2010]

LenabotSE wrote...

Hold onto your butts for the revelation that this is all an April Fools joke in the works.

 mind blown for the 6347th time pertaining to ME3...