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Another good findBlackDragonBane wrote...
This might be difficult to see, but this is a comparison of the armor during the indoctrinated hallucination and the final 'breathing' scene. The damage is identical, which confirms that Shepard was attacked my Harbinger and likely never made it to the Conduit, given all the rubble around them.
CreepingGeth wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Since someone said that the hidden ending of Shepard being alive was our strongest evidence, I just want to remind everyone that his armor was STILL INTACT in the breathing scene, reinforcing the notion that the whole scene where your armor is damaged DIDN"T HAPPEN.
This, beyond anything else, is the only absolute proof you even need to support the theory. This scene all but writes on the screen in gigantic letters "NOW BACK TO REALITY".
Rahabzu wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
Breathing in a vacuum is still a problem.
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
I just watched the whole sequence again. Didn't record it this time. Kid is looking through railing. Kid runs in the building past locked door as husks approach, building is hit and exploded by reaper laser, kid is then in a vent labled "DANGER" in that building with an electricity symbol on it. This is fishy as hell.Auresta wrote...
I don't really see the kid. Could someone upload footage of the kid running in as well?
Elidor109 wrote...
mr.surv wrote...
Anyone noticed 4 new galactics after beating the game?
Galactics?
BlackDragonBane wrote...
This might be difficult to see, but this is a comparison of the armor during the indoctrinated hallucination and the final 'breathing' scene. The damage is identical, which confirms that Shepard was attacked my Harbinger and likely never made it to the Conduit, given all the rubble around them.
Rahabzu wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
Breathing in a vacuum is still a problem.
CatManDoo44 wrote...
CreepingGeth wrote...
balance5050 wrote...
Since someone said that the hidden ending of Shepard being alive was our strongest evidence, I just want to remind everyone that his armor was STILL INTACT in the breathing scene, reinforcing the notion that the whole scene where your armor is damaged DIDN"T HAPPEN.
This, beyond anything else, is the only absolute proof you even need to support the theory. This scene all but writes on the screen in gigantic letters "NOW BACK TO REALITY".
As someone already mentioned, that is incorrect. The armour is damaged in the Shepard lives shot. That is why the dogtags are visible. If I recall correctly, the N7 symbol has been burnt off of the chestpiece.
lavosslayer wrote...
Rahabzu wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
Breathing in a vacuum is still a problem.
there is also wind blowing in the background...has to be on earth...no wind in space...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
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Reaper of Reapers wrote...
lavosslayer wrote...
Rahabzu wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
Breathing in a vacuum is still a problem.
there is also wind blowing in the background...has to be on earth...no wind in space...
What about cosmic wind created by space magic?
When Shepard went outside the Citadel in ME1, he needed a suit there, so he needs a suit here.Lugaidster wrote...
Rahabzu wrote...
Lugaidster wrote...
Hey everyone. I've been here "preaching" the indoctrination theory for at least 200 pages (since Saturday). However, I just replayed the game and the scene where Shepard is alive doesn't seem to be London. Two things. First, when you select the "destroy" option, there's an explosion that blows in front of Shepard's face (it didn't necessarily kill him, hence the breathing video). Second, when you see him wake up, you hear electricity, not bombings (like what would be on Earth). I have the feeling that we're onto something, but I think it's not a dream. It could be a live indoctrination attempt.
Do remember that the Citadel itself doesn't blow up entirely, you just see some explosions.
BTW, the model of the gun that has 1M1 has 1M1 backwards when you see it on the other side, that kinda rules out that for me.
I'd like to reignite this debate. I do believe it has to be something with indoctrination but I feel we're off in something. Some detail perhaps.
Cheers.
Breathing in a vacuum is still a problem.
That's not enough to discard my point. Mass effect fields have been known to hold atmosphere as well. Regardless of that, you'd still hear bombings or guns when he wakes up, you hear electricity. If you're going to put background sound, it better be something related to the context...
I'm calling it now, Bioware is going to do something that is freaking amazing, and i have a feeling the Mass Effect 3 ending will be something that goes down in history.neofayyt25 wrote...
BlackDragonBane wrote...
This might be difficult to see, but this is a comparison of the armor during the indoctrinated hallucination and the final 'breathing' scene. The damage is identical, which confirms that Shepard was attacked my Harbinger and likely never made it to the Conduit, given all the rubble around them.
This is brilliant. Can't wait to see what Bioware does with this. It actually leaves a rather "creepy" feeling inside, doesn't it? bioware is really playing with our minds on this, intended or not.
neofayyt25 wrote...
BlackDragonBane wrote...
This might be difficult to see, but this is a comparison of the armor during the indoctrinated hallucination and the final 'breathing' scene. The damage is identical, which confirms that Shepard was attacked my Harbinger and likely never made it to the Conduit, given all the rubble around them.
This is brilliant. Can't wait to see what Bioware does with this. It actually leaves a rather "creepy" feeling inside, doesn't it? bioware is really playing with our minds on this, intended or not.
LadyofRivendell wrote...
Just something I'd like to add that I noticed, sorry if it's been mentioned already (I missed 100+ pages from where I left off last night):
During the charge to the beam, I turned the camera around so I could see what was happening behind Shepard. About 10 feet behind Shep was my first squadmate (Kaidan, in my case), approx. 3 feet behind him was my second squadmate (Liara), and a good 20 feet behind them (and the last person in the charge) was Anderson.
With Anderson taking the rear by a good 30 feet from Shep, how the heck did he (1) Beat Shep to the beam, (2) Beat Shep to the center of the Citadel? (The latter has already been discussed). And if Anderson was able to make it, why didn't my squad make it, too? I analyzed every corpse on the ground during the slow-mo husk shooting portion, but all of them were identical (or nearly) Alliance soldiers.
Combined with the fact that Anderson looks (more or less) fine in the Citadel, yet Shep looks like she(he) got trampled by an angry rhino. Not that I know what angry rhino charge victims usually look like after an attack or anything.
Lost Cipher wrote...
G0thicRhino wrote...
While all may be a long shot, we're still giving Bioware the benefit of the doubt here.
With most games the outside fiction stays outside of the games, but the fact is, ME3 ties more over from it's fiction (books, comics, etc.) than any other game I've played recently. So I don't see those tie-ins as reaching. I do however, agree with you on the 1m1. I think it's just a recycling of game assets, Bioware has always been rather notorious for that. Which I'm totally fine with. At the same time, you could explain those away as Shep's mind rationalizing the dream. ( I don't know that I believe that one yet.)
True the Mass Effect series has more relationship with its tie-ins than other Science Fiction properties, so do others.
As for the kid, sure. I thought throughtout my first playthrough it was a form of PTSD and I found it completely compelling. So we say the kid in the nightmares isn't a form of indoctrination. At the end of the game... how do you explain that all of the "ones he couldn't save" are in control of the Reapers? It's Harbinger/Reapers using the most um... what's the word... distressing(?) thought to connect with him and further their indoctrination process.
Even if you don't believe he is part of the indoctrination throughout the game, on the crucible, it makes the most sense that he is part of that process.
Or the child is all that Shepard's mind can choose to represent this unknowable force. A force that caused great devastation and destruction upon the human race. Which the child was chosen to represent.
I agree that attempting a stunt like this is a HUGE risk, but... what would stick with you more? An ending that gave you little closure and made almost no sense. Or an ending that made you seriously question everything, be angry, and think, followed by the reveal that it wasn't truly the end?
Yes the ending from the far left field, cleverly composed, and revealed with awe and inspiration; would amaze and dazzle. However that requires putting faith that such a maneuver would not be financially costly in the long run. From a company that wants to be the next activision.
I still believe it is a stunt. One that takes some serious risk and heartbreak. Do you think they like the way everyone is ripping the game apart? Something they put their souls into creating? They would not crush their fans like that, nor themselves. They're purposely staying hush-hush. Otherwise they would just come out and say, "That's it. As is."
This will end with a bang.
I hope so too, however sometimes one must be critical of what one desires...
My replies in bold in the quote.
LadyofRivendell wrote...
Just something I'd like to add that I noticed, sorry if it's been mentioned already (I missed 100+ pages from where I left off last night):
During the charge to the beam, I turned the camera around so I could see what was happening behind Shepard. About 10 feet behind Shep was my first squadmate (Kaidan, in my case), approx. 3 feet behind him was my second squadmate (Liara), and a good 20 feet behind them (and the last person in the charge) was Anderson.
With Anderson taking the rear by a good 30 feet from Shep, how the heck did he (1) Beat Shep to the beam, (2) Beat Shep to the center of the Citadel? (The latter has already been discussed). And if Anderson was able to make it, why didn't my squad make it, too? I analyzed every corpse on the ground during the slow-mo husk shooting portion, but all of them were identical (or nearly) Alliance soldiers.
Combined with the fact that Anderson looks (more or less) fine in the Citadel, yet Shep looks like she(he) got trampled by an angry rhino. Not that I know what angry rhino charge victims usually look like after an attack or anything.
Joyceee wrote...
Anybody know where we can get those cool 'Indoctrination Theory' signature banners?
He says "I came in behind you but ended up in a different place' or something to that effect. Please note there's no way shepard would know anderson made it and shep initiates the dialog. "Anderson, you there?" *long pause* "Yeah I made it in behind you" suspicious.Reaper of Reapers wrote...
LadyofRivendell wrote...
Just something I'd like to add that I noticed, sorry if it's been mentioned already (I missed 100+ pages from where I left off last night):
During the charge to the beam, I turned the camera around so I could see what was happening behind Shepard. About 10 feet behind Shep was my first squadmate (Kaidan, in my case), approx. 3 feet behind him was my second squadmate (Liara), and a good 20 feet behind them (and the last person in the charge) was Anderson.
With Anderson taking the rear by a good 30 feet from Shep, how the heck did he (1) Beat Shep to the beam, (2) Beat Shep to the center of the Citadel? (The latter has already been discussed). And if Anderson was able to make it, why didn't my squad make it, too? I analyzed every corpse on the ground during the slow-mo husk shooting portion, but all of them were identical (or nearly) Alliance soldiers.
Combined with the fact that Anderson looks (more or less) fine in the Citadel, yet Shep looks like she(he) got trampled by an angry rhino. Not that I know what angry rhino charge victims usually look like after an attack or anything.
Maybe because he was in the back he had a chance to dodge Harbinger's laser. He thought everyone was dead so he continued onward to the beam.
Modifié par Fledgey, 13 mars 2012 - 06:14 .
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