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[Urumashi]

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Wait wait wait, something just occured to me, it seems like anderson seems to stumble across every scene just before shep does, and shep always sees that exact same scene moments later, is it possible that the reapers are impersonating anderson's voice and "building" the world almost inception style so that the scene will make sense to shepard and he wont question the surroundings? like the 1M1 signs which appear as early as the catwalk down the stairs? As legion says, he had to build the consensus to a familiar form so shep could comprehend it, is it possible the reapers (also synthetic) are doing the exact same thing?

It's either this or it's Shepard himself trying to comprehend, i.e. his subconcious drawing upon the past to substitute what he's never seen. Either way works for me.

Also something else: Wasnt the name of the dlc pack that first introduced this technology called "operation overlord" Shouldnt that be a bit of a dead giveaway?

[G0thicRhino]

msitton wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

*snip*

It's these points that lead me to believe that this theory is correct. I just don't see how the same group of writers that got me to be so emotional over Grunt, Thane, Mordin, and Legion do a complete 180 and deliver an ending with huge wholes.

I understand game companies make mistakes, but I just can't seem to imagine this theory not being true and not a single person noticing what an utter failure they would be on their own. The Bioware staff loves these games just as we do. I can't see them completely throwing it away despite whatever pressure EA may have provided. 

Mass Effect 3 is first and foremost a blockbuster game at this point. Yes EA want this game to sell, yes they want it to have mass appeal, but I don't think they are inheritly "evil" like some people make them out to be. They want to make money yes, but what company doesn't. A company wouldn't completely trash its credibility on this type of game especially one that rides so heavily on "hardcore" gamer appeal. After all its not like you could legitimately pick up ME3 and play it without prior knowledge; you would be completely lost.

This is what I have been saying. <3

[krystalevenstar]

Balls. I'm working on a video where I basically read the OP for people who don't want to read it and expand upon parts of it, but it's 29 minutes long @_@ I don't want people having to listen to me for half an hour ._.

[Omilophile]

balance5050 wrote...

Just my friends which are christian, didn't say every christian. 

Then why even make that distinction? Why not just say, "my friends, who are very linear thinkers" or just ,"my friends"? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

[Omega Scythe]

Omilophile wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Actually, the soundscape is eerily silent after you get up from Harbinger's laser blast.

I would imagine that's because his ear drums were blown out. Due to the same reason why his armor is torn to shreds and he's bleeding heavily. A blast of that intensity would creat a rapid expansion of air, thus bursting his ear drums.

A blast of that intensity would also have BLOWN HIM TO PIECES, just like any of the other Reaper lasers you've had to dodge throughout the game.  While that's probably one part of the eerie silence, we can't rule out that it can mean something else.

Science is sound though.  Explosions are **** like that: even if you survive the first, you won't be able to hear the second one following.

[Urumashi]

hunt27 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

Those trees are from your dreams and should be making the back of your head go DING DING DING DING DING...

This theory is pretty solid, as a whole. We'll just have to be patient and wait a bit to see if Bioware is as smart as we all hope they are.

This. this is absolutely proof that we're right, those trees would not be there for any other reason, good catch, i believe you just gave us our first real stepping stone.

Trees on earth is strange? i support the whole theory but i don't get how trees that don't look like the ones from the dreams supports it.

1. I've yet to see a transparent tree in RL, if you find one, please let me know.

2. In my opinion the actual "indoctrination" dream might have set in as early as when soverign dropped out of the sky and its eyes lit up

[UKillMeLongTime]

the last scene of shep that sure looks like the place he was hit on earth. Concrete and even white road paint or something ike that. Runway paint kinda

[Ravax]

Guys quick query, i dont feel like roaming through 274 pages of this thread to find out if its been asked/answered already...

It was said in multiple articles/websites, that choosing would destroy/save the collector base in ME2 would have an impact on ME3's endings... Could this also be an indicator that we have NOT SEEN this effect 'yet' ?

[The Bridgeburner]

Urumashi wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Wait wait wait, something just occured to me, it seems like anderson seems to stumble across every scene just before shep does, and shep always sees that exact same scene moments later, is it possible that the reapers are impersonating anderson's voice and "building" the world almost inception style so that the scene will make sense to shepard and he wont question the surroundings? like the 1M1 signs which appear as early as the catwalk down the stairs? As legion says, he had to build the consensus to a familiar form so shep could comprehend it, is it possible the reapers (also synthetic) are doing the exact same thing?

It's either this or it's Shepard himself trying to comprehend, i.e. his subconcious drawing upon the past to substitute what he's never seen. Either way works for me.

Also something else: Wasnt the name of the dlc pack that first introduced this technology called "operation overlord" Shouldnt that be a bit of a dead giveaway?

Good point. Man, it seems so logical... it all fits.

[BlackDragonBane]

Urumashi wrote...

hunt27 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

Those trees are from your dreams and should be making the back of your head go DING DING DING DING DING...

This theory is pretty solid, as a whole. We'll just have to be patient and wait a bit to see if Bioware is as smart as we all hope they are.

This. this is absolutely proof that we're right, those trees would not be there for any other reason, good catch, i believe you just gave us our first real stepping stone.

Trees on earth is strange? i support the whole theory but i don't get how trees that don't look like the ones from the dreams supports it.

1. I've yet to see a transparent tree in RL, if you find one, please let me know.

2. In my opinion the actual "indoctrination" dream might have set in as early as when soverign dropped out of the sky and its eyes lit up

I point out the trees not exactly because of the dreams, but because that Harbinger's lasers should have obliterated them into ash. They look VERY out of place right there. I was more pointing out, however, how the background no longer looks distinctive after a few feet and buildings seem to be missing from the far background.

[MissMaster_2]

hunt27 wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

Those trees are from your dreams and should be making the back of your head go DING DING DING DING DING...

This theory is pretty solid, as a whole. We'll just have to be patient and wait a bit to see if Bioware is as smart as we all hope they are.

This. this is absolutely proof that we're right, those trees would not be there for any other reason, good catch, i believe you just gave us our first real stepping stone.

Trees on earth is strange? i support the whole theory but i don't get how trees that don't look like the ones from the dreams supports it.

Uh...they were not there before and why would there be the trees from your dream randomly...unless....*gasp* you're  dreaming!

[ceruleancrescent]

Lugaidster wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

Those trees are from your dreams and should be making the back of your head go DING DING DING DING DING...

This theory is pretty solid, as a whole. We'll just have to be patient and wait a bit to see if Bioware is as smart as we all hope they are.

This. this is absolutely proof that we're right, those trees would not be there for any other reason, good catch, i believe you just gave us our first real stepping stone.

The only problem with that is that they are there just before. You can see them while making the run for the conduit.

I just watched the running to the conduit scene, and I never saw them, is there a picture?

[Lugaidster]

NubXL wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

NubXL wrote...

You see what you've done BioWare? Your ending was so traumatic that an increasing number of users are resigning themselves to the delusion that the ending was just a hallucination, and that the real one is coming any day now.

I'm just gonna make an assumption and say you haven't read anything here.

A better assumption would be that I was joking.

A lot of these things make sense, but I really don't think BioWare had such complex plans.  "Lazy writing" covers the same bases as all of these detailed explanations for every little thing.

I do think they did put some attempted indoctrination in there in the form of making "Control" the blue ending and "Destroy" (your objective from the very start) the red ending, as shown by their display of which one TIM would do and which one Anderson would do.  I figure that was Shepard mulling it over.  I don't think it goes further than that.

The child I think was just in the image of a child because Shepard was tripping out over that kid for the whole game.  It could have taken the form of anything, as shown by its multiple simultaneous vocal tracks.  The went all "Contact" with it, basically.

Yeah, but lazy writing still doesn't explain everything else. Remember, for a hypothesis to become a theory you must be able to make predictions with it. We can't prove our hypothesis yet because none of our predictions have become true but, lazy writing has more holes than ours. Lazy writting doesn't cover the fact that the 99% of the game was beautifully written. Lazy writting doesn't cover the fact that Bioware is refusing to reply and tossing weird comments here and there.

Our hypothesis covers everything that has happened up until now and it explains it. Is it the truth? No, but is it the one that fits the most? I'd bet my ass.

[mooney6023]

@msitton,

excellent work. I wondered why they fixated on shepard holding his hand to his bleeding side, and even pulling the hand away and looking at the blood on it. the fact that it's gone moments later is interesting.

This leaves quite a bit of room for the possibility that no one ever left earth for the citadel.

But, boy does that leave even more questions. If shepard never makes it, who the hell blows up all the relays? Or at the very least what the hell is the red holocaust chasing the normandy through the relay?

[UKillMeLongTime]

G0thicRhino wrote...

msitton wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

*snip*

It's these points that lead me to believe that this theory is correct. I just don't see how the same group of writers that got me to be so emotional over Grunt, Thane, Mordin, and Legion do a complete 180 and deliver an ending with huge wholes.

I understand game companies make mistakes, but I just can't seem to imagine this theory not being true and not a single person noticing what an utter failure they would be on their own. The Bioware staff loves these games just as we do. I can't see them completely throwing it away despite whatever pressure EA may have provided. 

Mass Effect 3 is first and foremost a blockbuster game at this point. Yes EA want this game to sell, yes they want it to have mass appeal, but I don't think they are inheritly "evil" like some people make them out to be. They want to make money yes, but what company doesn't. A company wouldn't completely trash its credibility on this type of game especially one that rides so heavily on "hardcore" gamer appeal. After all its not like you could legitimately pick up ME3 and play it without prior knowledge; you would be completely lost.

This is what I have been saying. <3

but if they did i blame......ADDING MULTIPLAYER VS A PROPER ENDING in the SP
damn well better not be whats going on here as the game was perfect up till the last 20 mins

[Lugaidster]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

TheMadBlimper wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...


If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

Those trees are from your dreams and should be making the back of your head go DING DING DING DING DING...

This theory is pretty solid, as a whole. We'll just have to be patient and wait a bit to see if Bioware is as smart as we all hope they are.

This. this is absolutely proof that we're right, those trees would not be there for any other reason, good catch, i believe you just gave us our first real stepping stone.

The only problem with that is that they are there just before. You can see them while making the run for the conduit.

I just watched the running to the conduit scene, and I never saw them, is there a picture?

I'm going to try and take one, but does anyone know how to take pictures with Origin?

[Sierra163]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 

Going to analyze somethings that have been brought up before, but bear repeating.

0:40 - you hear, I'm assuming, Coates over the comm channel go 'God... they're all gone.'

0:46 - you hear the following conversation:
- Female voice: Did we get anyone to the beam?
- Coates; Negative. Our entire force was decimated

Now, if this was reality, Coates would have seen Shepard get up from where they had fallen and approaching the beam. Such is not the case. The comm link just goes silent from that point.

at about 1:00, Shepard picks up the magic infinte god pistol



If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

2:31 - You hear Anderson over the comm link, yet if Coates is correct and the team is wiped out, how is Anderson contacting Shepard?

2:55 - When asked if he is up in the Citadel as well, Anderson says he followed Shepard up, yet we did not see him ANYWHERE on the battlefield. Plus, he says 'we' distinctly, meaning others made it on the Citadel, yet we don't see them and they supposedly were dropped off somewhere else by the Conduit.

3:30 - Shepard picks up ANOTER infite god-pistol. What happened to the one he/she just had? If you noticed before, the first pistol is mysteriously gone.

4:56 - The movine panels bear a striking resemblence to the engine system on the Shadow Broker's ship. This may be just level design but if you look on either side, it goes as far as you can see and you see no other avenues of reaching the console room.

6:00 - Somehow, Anderson beats Shepard to the console room despite there being no other paths and not seeing Anderson either behind or in front of you until this point.

6:13 - The Huskified Illusive Man is suddenly right behind you and there was no indication he was even ON the Citadel. You also begin to hear whispers as he talks and the oily black shadows appear on the edges of the screen. You will also hear a Reaper like deep trilling noise accompanying this.

8:15 - TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson. Jump to 8:22 and pay VERY CLOSE attention to where Anderson has their hand.



Notice where Shepard's arm is and the fact that she is suddenly bleeding profusely when she wasn't moments prior to shooting Anderson? Look again when Shepard is outside the Citadel and talking to Catalyst.



Notice the blood on her arm is suddenly gone?

There are WAY too many inconsistences in just the scene leading up to meeting Catalyst for it not to be anything more than an indoctrinated halluciation. There's is symbolism in the conversaiton with Anderson and TIM, missing envrionments and added elements that weren't there before. There is too much 'wrong' with this whole sequence for it to be oversight on Bioware developers. SOMETHING is going on here beyond what we've seen.

Something else I noticed.

Note where she's holding her side. Watch the Shep live video. Doesn't it look like a piece of rebar is stabed into the same spot?

[noobcannon]

Omega Scythe wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Actually, the soundscape is eerily silent after you get up from Harbinger's laser blast.

I would imagine that's because his ear drums were blown out. Due to the same reason why his armor is torn to shreds and he's bleeding heavily. A blast of that intensity would creat a rapid expansion of air, thus bursting his ear drums.

A blast of that intensity would also have BLOWN HIM TO PIECES, just like any of the other Reaper lasers you've had to dodge throughout the game.  While that's probably one part of the eerie silence, we can't rule out that it can mean something else.

Science is sound though.  Explosions are **** like that: even if you survive the first, you won't be able to hear the second one following.

i watched that part again, when harbingers laser hits you, and the thing is, you never see it actually hit you. it comes close and then there is a blinding light. 

also you could argue the reason it is relatively quiet is your ears are buzziung from an explosion.

Modifié par noobcannon, 13 mars 2012 - 06:56 .

[Rip504]

I just re-watched my destroy ending and it appears if you do not have a high enough ems you do not see the N7 armor scene.

[balance5050]

Omilophile wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Just my friends which are christian, didn't say every christian. 

Then why even make that distinction? Why not just say, "my friends, who are very linear thinkers" or just ,"my friends"? Doesn't make a lot of sense to me.

I genuinly apologize if I hurt you in some way, I rescind what I said and if you tell me what page it's on I willedit it out completley.
again I apologize.

[Auresta]

Rip504 wrote...

I just re-watched my destroy ending and it appears if you do not have a high enough ems you do not see the N7 armor scene.

Yes - 4k EMS if you save Anderson and 5k EMS if you don't.

[xDarkspace]

mooney6023 wrote...

@msitton,

excellent work. I wondered why they fixated on shepard holding his hand to his bleeding side, and even pulling the hand away and looking at the blood on it. the fact that it's gone moments later is interesting.

This leaves quite a bit of room for the possibility that no one ever left earth for the citadel.

But, boy does that leave even more questions. If shepard never makes it, who the hell blows up all the relays? Or at the very least what the hell is the red holocaust chasing the normandy through the relay?

OMG it was fake from where he get hit by harbinger to the last second of the normandy crash scene is all fake the normandy never crashed and the crucible has not been activated yet.

[NubXL]

Lugaidster wrote...

NubXL wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

NubXL wrote...

You see what you've done BioWare? Your ending was so traumatic that an increasing number of users are resigning themselves to the delusion that the ending was just a hallucination, and that the real one is coming any day now.

I'm just gonna make an assumption and say you haven't read anything here.

A better assumption would be that I was joking.

A lot of these things make sense, but I really don't think BioWare had such complex plans.  "Lazy writing" covers the same bases as all of these detailed explanations for every little thing.

I do think they did put some attempted indoctrination in there in the form of making "Control" the blue ending and "Destroy" (your objective from the very start) the red ending, as shown by their display of which one TIM would do and which one Anderson would do.  I figure that was Shepard mulling it over.  I don't think it goes further than that.

The child I think was just in the image of a child because Shepard was tripping out over that kid for the whole game.  It could have taken the form of anything, as shown by its multiple simultaneous vocal tracks.  The went all "Contact" with it, basically.

Yeah, but lazy writing still doesn't explain everything else. Remember, for a hypothesis to become a theory you must be able to make predictions with it. We can't prove our hypothesis yet because none of our predictions have become true but, lazy writing has more holes than ours. Lazy writting doesn't cover the fact that the 99% of the game was beautifully written. Lazy writting doesn't cover the fact that Bioware is refusing to reply and tossing weird comments here and there.

Our hypothesis covers everything that has happened up until now and it explains it. Is it the truth? No, but is it the one that fits the most? I'd bet my ass.

Well I agree that the rest of the game was fairly well written, but I wouldn't expect them to reply.  They wouldn't want to acknowledge the fact that so many people think the ending to their trilogy is terrible. Not so close to launch, anyway.  That's pretty standard corporate reaction.

[Noob451]

Ravax wrote...

Guys quick query, i dont feel like roaming through 274 pages of this thread to find out if its been asked/answered already...

It was said in multiple articles/websites, that choosing would destroy/save the collector base in ME2 would have an impact on ME3's endings... Could this also be an indicator that we have NOT SEEN this effect 'yet' ?

I noticed this today, I destroyed collector base, my friend saved it.  No differences, something is up.

[Hedera]

OH MY GOD.

I'm sitting here, reading this, and you know what?

IT MAKES GODDAMN SENSE.

If this is really what is going on, and I think it is, then Bioware will have turned the worst ending in Sci-fi history into the best.

Back before ME3 came out, I thought it would be cool if the game subtly tried to indoctrinate you, as the player, through experience with Shepard. It would present them in a more favorable light throughout, as Shepard became more indoctrinated, and would have many reconsidering their stance on the Reapers. Then, when you reach the end, you can side with the Reapers and continue the cycle, and YOUR ASCENSION WOULD BE COMPLETE.

If this theory is correct, it will be the most audacious, bat**** crazy, unique, and absolutely brilliant ending I have ever seen in games, and will redefine Bioware's storytelling forever.

Of course, we could all be the crazy ones, and the endings might just be dumb because they're lazy.