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[noobcannon]

CDHarrisUSF wrote...

Omilophile wrote...

I would imagine that's because his ear drums were blown out. Due to the same reason why his armor is torn to shreds and he's bleeding heavily. A blast of that intensity would creat a rapid expansion of air, thus bursting his ear drums.

His ears are still working and only slightly muffled. You can hear Harbinger take off. You can hear the couple of husks you shoot. You can hear a few lines through the radio. You just don't hear any sounds of combat whatsoever, which is the part I found to be odd, because one would expect guns and explosions to make a bit more noise than a husk.

the parts you are talking about, withe husks and harbinger taking off, are what i think to be part of the hallucination, they are after the laser.

[balance5050]

KillerQuag wrote...

If it were indoctrination, doing something, anything should have woken him up to go kick some more butt. If he died on the console, cool, he died, the reapers win. If is in London on the ground, then he dreamed the whole thing up (including places he'd never seen) for the indoctrination, and one of the 3 choices should have been the 'pass' and let things progress.

As it is, after watching it 25 times, I could go with he's dreaming the Star Child scene. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS. Nothing. At. All...
except the Normandy resurrected your dead companions and hit FTL while you were talking to TIM and Anderson...
Face it. We got trolled. We were expecting an epic ending and got Joker with my LI stepping out of a broken ship on some foreign planet stranded. Followed up by "I'll tell you one more story about the Shepard"
http://imgur.com/0TnRY

Wut, shepard "lived to fight again"

[BigBossBoo]

I've been wondering for awhile.. if the crucible is this giant project that hundreds of cycles have been improving on, why does half of the crucible just fall off and float into space as it attaches to the citadel? Seems like a waste of time/material to build when it does absolutely nothing, or am I missing something? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't protect against reaper attacks... those lasers cut through every ship like butter, that shell wouldn't serve as a defense... and why does it just sit near the citadel with a beam attached to it? How does that magically change the mass relay into a super beam thing?

And the RGC said that the crucible gave him more options... if RGC is really Harbringer, what could he mean by that?

[lex0r11]

Joyceee wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Good god if any of this is true (which at this point....good lord, if it isnt this is one hell of a coincidence) they must have been planning this for years.

I've criticized BioWare's writing in the past, but this, if everything plays out how it looks... this will go down as one of the best videogame stories ever written. The guts it takes to (almost) alienate a fanbase in service of a plot-twist... heh, that's some brass balls.

If they are storytellers as they claim, they'd at least have a ME bible to follow, an end destination - even if all the pieces are unformed, there would be an end goal. I hope this is their "end goal". It would be bloody brilliant.

So true. If this is all correct, then you really have to give them credit for such a gutsy move. It's bloody damn ingenius for them to come up with something like this, considering the HUGE risk of alienating a very dedicated fanbase. 

Anybody feel like saying, "You have a quad, Bioware"? Haha~

one developer had to come up with something like this someday. SLAP that leak in the face bioware.

[MassiveEffects]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 

Going to analyze somethings that have been brought up before, but bear repeating.

0:40 - you hear, I'm assuming, Coates over the comm channel go 'God... they're all gone.'

0:46 - you hear the following conversation:
- Female voice: Did we get anyone to the beam?
- Coates; Negative. Our entire force was decimated

Now, if this was reality, Coates would have seen Shepard get up from where they had fallen and approaching the beam. Such is not the case. The comm link just goes silent from that point.

at about 1:00, Shepard picks up the magic infinte god pistol



If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

2:31 - You hear Anderson over the comm link, yet if Coates is correct and the team is wiped out, how is Anderson contacting Shepard?

2:55 - When asked if he is up in the Citadel as well, Anderson says he followed Shepard up, yet we did not see him ANYWHERE on the battlefield. Plus, he says 'we' distinctly, meaning others made it on the Citadel, yet we don't see them and they supposedly were dropped off somewhere else by the Conduit.

3:30 - Shepard picks up ANOTER infite god-pistol. What happened to the one he/she just had? If you noticed before, the first pistol is mysteriously gone.

4:56 - The movine panels bear a striking resemblence to the engine system on the Shadow Broker's ship. This may be just level design but if you look on either side, it goes as far as you can see and you see no other avenues of reaching the console room.

6:00 - Somehow, Anderson beats Shepard to the console room despite there being no other paths and not seeing Anderson either behind or in front of you until this point.

6:13 - The Huskified Illusive Man is suddenly right behind you and there was no indication he was even ON the Citadel. You also begin to hear whispers as he talks and the oily black shadows appear on the edges of the screen. You will also hear a Reaper like deep trilling noise accompanying this.

8:15 - TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson. Jump to 8:22 and pay VERY CLOSE attention to where Anderson has their hand.



Notice where Shepard's arm is and the fact that she is suddenly bleeding profusely when she wasn't moments prior to shooting Anderson? Look again when Shepard is outside the Citadel and talking to Catalyst.



Notice the blood on her arm is suddenly gone?

There are WAY too many inconsistences in just the scene leading up to meeting Catalyst for it not to be anything more than an indoctrinated halluciation. There's is symbolism in the conversaiton with Anderson and TIM, missing envrionments and added elements that weren't there before. There is too much 'wrong' with this whole sequence for it to be oversight on Bioware developers. SOMETHING is going on here beyond what we've seen.

Very interesting observations. Thank you!

[Sajuro]

KitePolaris wrote...

I think it's also important to know that in the realm of dreams, you cannot experience anything outside of your own comprehension. Meaning, you can't learn anything that you don't already know, consciously or subconsciously. Shepard really learns nothing in anything past the blast, and the paragon line of the TIM conversation almost directly mirrors the Saren situation in ME1.

This also could explain the terrible explanation for the reapers. If it is really 'beyond our comprehension', that could be Shepard trying to find logical reasons as to why it is happening and why it seems very '... wat?'

Remember the Reaper on Rannoch (the only one who hasn't sexually harassed him) told Shepard that there was another one who started all of the cycles or something like that, so that could be where he got the concept of the god child. But the Reaper sounded it was saying "We're doing this to keep you from this crazy sob, he's seriously bad news" at least too me, didn't have subtitles so I couldn't exactly make out everything it said.

[BlackDragonBane]

BringBackNihlus wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 

Going to analyze somethings that have been brought up before, but bear repeating.

0:40 - you hear, I'm assuming, Coates over the comm channel go 'God... they're all gone.'

0:46 - you hear the following conversation:
- Female voice: Did we get anyone to the beam?
- Coates; Negative. Our entire force was decimated

Now, if this was reality, Coates would have seen Shepard get up from where they had fallen and approaching the beam. Such is not the case. The comm link just goes silent from that point.

at about 1:00, Shepard picks up the magic infinte god pistol



If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

2:31 - You hear Anderson over the comm link, yet if Coates is correct and the team is wiped out, how is Anderson contacting Shepard?

2:55 - When asked if he is up in the Citadel as well, Anderson says he followed Shepard up, yet we did not see him ANYWHERE on the battlefield. Plus, he says 'we' distinctly, meaning others made it on the Citadel, yet we don't see them and they supposedly were dropped off somewhere else by the Conduit.

3:30 - Shepard picks up ANOTER infite god-pistol. What happened to the one he/she just had? If you noticed before, the first pistol is mysteriously gone.

4:56 - The movine panels bear a striking resemblence to the engine system on the Shadow Broker's ship. This may be just level design but if you look on either side, it goes as far as you can see and you see no other avenues of reaching the console room.

6:00 - Somehow, Anderson beats Shepard to the console room despite there being no other paths and not seeing Anderson either behind or in front of you until this point.

6:13 - The Huskified Illusive Man is suddenly right behind you and there was no indication he was even ON the Citadel. You also begin to hear whispers as he talks and the oily black shadows appear on the edges of the screen. You will also hear a Reaper like deep trilling noise accompanying this.

8:15 - TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson. Jump to 8:22 and pay VERY CLOSE attention to where Anderson has their hand.



Notice where Shepard's arm is and the fact that she is suddenly bleeding profusely when she wasn't moments prior to shooting Anderson? Look again when Shepard is outside the Citadel and talking to Catalyst.



Notice the blood on her arm is suddenly gone?

There are WAY too many inconsistences in just the scene leading up to meeting Catalyst for it not to be anything more than an indoctrinated halluciation. There's is symbolism in the conversaiton with Anderson and TIM, missing envrionments and added elements that weren't there before. There is too much 'wrong' with this whole sequence for it to be oversight on Bioware developers. SOMETHING is going on here beyond what we've seen.

Good job explaining everything. If this what Bioware intended to project with the ending, then they're pretty damn clever. That, or they'll luck into this theory and make an atomic ****load off of a post-indoctrination ending DLC.

Could someone get in touch with Bryne and see if this could be added to the OP on the front of the thread? I think it would be helpful with clarifying some things.

[Koshea69]

I am now wholeheartedly on board with this theory, I haven't read all the pages but definitely the first 5 or so.

It's not mentioned in the first post but I believe the catalyst "Wants" Shepard to chose synthesis because that's what "Becoming a reaper" is. It's harvesting the DNA of organics and making it into a new synthetic form. If you don't perform well enough then you don't get this option, they will just indoctrinate you and you will join the rest. If your strong enough they have to convince you to accept it.

In any case, the ONLY option that gives you a chance to live, is to destroy them, something the Catalyst clearly lied to you about because he said it would surely kill you.

This HAS to be the answer. the only question is when Bioware plans on either
A.) Unlocking the rest of the ending (might already be on our system) or
B.) Provide the free download of the rest of the ending

they want you to save your save files for a reason

and this statement 2 days after the game was release

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

Not to mention their very suspicious silence on the matter.

I can't believe Bioware would let us down on such a monumental scale such as they appear to have, they worked too hard on this to let it die in flames like it currently is.

Perhaps a week goes by or maybe 2 then they spring this very news on us? They want to give most people a chance to play through and beat the game, and make their choice, a truly unbiased by meta knowledge choice, before giving us the ending that will make this game worth playing for years to come.

Bioware I applaud you.

[Elidor109]

Didn't seem to work properly, click this and zoom in for Gibbed's view.

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Modifié par Elidor109, 13 mars 2012 - 07:19 .

[Omilophile]

Urumashi wrote...

Well, so far two of the biggest bits of solid evidence i've seen (the real crap that can't really be explained otherwise) is the presence of the trees at the base of the beam, which is kinda a dead giveaway, and the lack of a difference in the ending based on your last choice in ME2 which frankly i'm not sure how we missed for so long anyway.

Enough with the trees, people. If we're going to prove this, we need more solid evidence. Half the stuff I've seen on here is just us grasping at straws and really doesn't prove anything unless you presuppose what we're saying is true. Let's find some cold hard evidence, not more speculation.

[Pyewacket]

matchboxmatt wrote...

Seriously, reading this thread has completely made my idea of the ending take a complete 180. That is seriously one of the most ingenious endings to a videogame series ever. It's bizarre.

That's like taking games to a whole new level of art. To know I was indoctrinated is probably the best thing that has ever happened to me.

I know right?  It actually freaks me out a little, because I never once suspected it.  And really isn't that the whole point of indoctrination?  Brrr... creepy.

[Lugaidster]

KillerQuag wrote...

If it were indoctrination, doing something, anything should have woken him up to go kick some more butt. If he died on the console, cool, he died, the reapers win. If is in London on the ground, then he dreamed the whole thing up (including places he'd never seen) for the indoctrination, and one of the 3 choices should have been the 'pass' and let things progress.

As it is, after watching it 25 times, I could go with he's dreaming the Star Child scene. BUT!!!!!!!!!!!!! NOTHING ELSE HAPPENS. Nothing. At. All...
except the Normandy resurrected your dead companions and hit FTL while you were talking to TIM and Anderson...
Face it. We got trolled. We were expecting an epic ending and got Joker with my LI stepping out of a broken ship on some foreign planet stranded. Followed up by "I'll tell you one more story about the Shepard" 
http://imgur.com/0TnRY

That's the reason I feel we're missing something to complete our theory. Has anyone that has gotten the revived scene replayed the game on New Game+ and done the exact same thing?

I know it's not an accurate comparison, but remember ghost 'n ghouls were you had to play it again to see the real ending? (There were other videogames that were like that, but I don't remember). What I mean is, everyone here has played this game once and gotten the breathing scene, has anyone replayed it again after getting this scene (not before)?

[Urumashi]

A quad? Heck, at this point if Bioware was a Krogan i doubt the genophage would hurt their chances at producing offspring, i think they have something more along the likes of an octuplet.

[LadyofRivendell]

Sl4sh3r wrote...

It's crazy to watch an entirely different group of people come to the same conclusions that every else did yesterday. Every day this has happened so far.

Starting to really believe that this is what they were going for....

w00t!

Hit home by the fact that this is BSN, the place where, as Liara states it, you can have three different people posting on a thread and have six opinions total.
The fact that we're almost all universally agreeing on something, espcially of this magnitude, and working together to support and prove it, is a miracle in itself. 


Either way, this thread gives me the hope I so desperately need, and the more info that's brought to the table, the more it seems likely.

[Torrible]

Anyone seen Contact, the movie starring Jodie Foster? What if everything that transpired after Shepard interfaced with the Geth was a hallucination? What if Legion was already under control of the reapers and tricked Shepard into voluntary indoctrination? I don't actually believe this of course, just want to throw out a crazy theory.

[AscendBaldur]

JediNg wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Good god if any of this is true (which at this point....good lord, if it isnt this is one hell of a coincidence) they must have been planning this for years.

I've criticized BioWare's writing in the past, but this, if everything plays out how it looks... this will go down as one of the best videogame stories ever written. The guts it takes to (almost) alienate a fanbase in service of a plot-twist... heh, that's some brass balls.

If they are storytellers as they claim, they'd at least have a ME bible to follow, an end destination - even if all the pieces are unformed, there would be an end goal. I hope this is their "end goal". It would be bloody brilliant.

While I agree, I'm not sure EA would be too happy about the negativity being generated lol, which is one thing I could come up with as to why this theory wouldn't make sense.

Why? It's not like EA is a stranger to negative press/negative customer response But if Bioware convinced them thay could pull the biggest fast one on not only the fans, but thanks to our initial responses, the whole of the gaming journalism industry, even reaching things like Forbes now... wouldn't that be something? I mean a short bit of negative press, followed by the entire industry dropping on their knees and bowing? EA's a business and they want profits, sure. But they'd be stupid not to let Bioware try this.

[Urumashi]

Torrible wrote...

Anyone seen Contact, the movie starring Jodie Foster? What if everything that transpired after Shepard interfaced with the Geth was a hallucination? What if Legion was already under control of the reapers and tricked Shepard into voluntary indoctrination? I don't actually believe this of course, just want to throw out a crazy theory.

that's.....actually that's got a ton of merrit...wait, isnt that mission optional tho?

[Lurchibald]

FRancium wrote...

Lurchibald wrote...

Another thing about the kid at the start is that we see him climb aboard the shuttle then look up at Shepard... but notice how nobody really seems to notice the kid on the shuttle? The kid seemingly struggles to get on the shuttle yet no-one (not even the soldier at the door) go to help the kid (Actually they don't even seem to acknowledge his presence)

Not 100% sure, but I also felt that sequence weird at the time- the kid didn't even have any dirt or blood on him/his coat !
(Combined with a lot of other evidence here, Bioware is either brilliant, or terribly lazy/sloppy.)

I know, It just doesn't make sense... Nothing about that smegging kid makes any damn sense! Also the fact that Shepard (after seeing the kid in the duct) can say to Anderson that "This is war, people die" and "We fight for those that will survive" (maybe not the exact quote) so why be so affected by the kids supposed death?

[The Bridgeburner]

JediNg wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Good god if any of this is true (which at this point....good lord, if it isnt this is one hell of a coincidence) they must have been planning this for years.

I've criticized BioWare's writing in the past, but this, if everything plays out how it looks... this will go down as one of the best videogame stories ever written. The guts it takes to (almost) alienate a fanbase in service of a plot-twist... heh, that's some brass balls.

If they are storytellers as they claim, they'd at least have a ME bible to follow, an end destination - even if all the pieces are unformed, there would be an end goal. I hope this is their "end goal". It would be bloody brilliant.

While I agree, I'm not sure EA would be too happy about the negativity being generated lol, which is one thing I could come up with as to why this theory wouldn't make sense.

And that's a good counter point. But when the Doctors are also on the EA corporate team, they may have been able to bargain for some leeway...  "We've got this great idea for a finish" 

And considering Riccitello (?) was ceo of Bioware/Pandemic back in the day, he may have okayed it, out of friendship or something. Who knows.

[Noob451]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

Sl4sh3r wrote...

It's crazy to watch an entirely different group of people come to the same conclusions that every else did yesterday. Every day this has happened so far.

Starting to really believe that this is what they were going for....

w00t!

Hit home by the fact that this is BSN, the place where, as Liara states it, you can have three different people posting on a thread and have six opinions total.
The fact that we're almost all universally agreeing on something, espcially of this magnitude, and working together to support and prove it, is a miracle in itself. 


Either way, this thread gives me the hope I so desperately need, and the more info that's brought to the table, the more it seems likely.

I'm surprised Kotaku or some other site has not talked about this thread yet, it truly is a miracle.

[Joyceee]

Noob451 wrote...

Joyceee wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Good god if any of this is true (which at this point....good lord, if it isnt this is one hell of a coincidence) they must have been planning this for years.

I've criticized BioWare's writing in the past, but this, if everything plays out how it looks... this will go down as one of the best videogame stories ever written. The guts it takes to (almost) alienate a fanbase in service of a plot-twist... heh, that's some brass balls.

If they are storytellers as they claim, they'd at least have a ME bible to follow, an end destination - even if all the pieces are unformed, there would be an end goal. I hope this is their "end goal". It would be bloody brilliant.

So true. If this is all correct, then you really have to give them credit for such a gutsy move. It's bloody damn ingenius for them to come up with something like this, considering the HUGE risk of alienating a very dedicated fanbase. 

Anybody feel like saying, "You have a quad, Bioware"? Haha~

Bioware does have some Quads... and I see you got your signatures! 

Yes!  Thank you again! As corny as it may sound, it gives a nice feeling of pride to see them there! Haha. Keep the awesomeness coming!

[noobcannon]

BigBossBoo wrote...

I've been wondering for awhile.. if the crucible is this giant project that hundreds of cycles have been improving on, why does half of the crucible just fall off and float into space as it attaches to the citadel? Seems like a waste of time/material to build when it does absolutely nothing, or am I missing something? I'm pretty sure it wouldn't protect against reaper attacks... those lasers cut through every ship like butter, that shell wouldn't serve as a defense... and why does it just sit near the citadel with a beam attached to it? How does that magically change the mass relay into a super beam thing?

And the RGC said that the crucible gave him more options... if RGC is really Harbringer, what could he mean by that?

could just be for ftl travel

[Sajuro]

Joyceee wrote...

The Bridgeburner wrote...

Urumashi wrote...


Good god if any of this is true (which at this point....good lord, if it isnt this is one hell of a coincidence) they must have been planning this for years.

I've criticized BioWare's writing in the past, but this, if everything plays out how it looks... this will go down as one of the best videogame stories ever written. The guts it takes to (almost) alienate a fanbase in service of a plot-twist... heh, that's some brass balls.

If they are storytellers as they claim, they'd at least have a ME bible to follow, an end destination - even if all the pieces are unformed, there would be an end goal. I hope this is their "end goal". It would be bloody brilliant.

So true. If this is all correct, then you really have to give them credit for such a gutsy move. It's bloody damn ingenius for them to come up with something like this, considering the HUGE risk of alienating a very dedicated fanbase. 

Anybody feel like saying, "You have a quad, Bioware"? Haha~

Please, From Ashes took quads
After this, we'll all wonder if Bioware has a quint as craps dark matter.

[JediNg]

Omilophile wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Well, so far two of the biggest bits of solid evidence i've seen (the real crap that can't really be explained otherwise) is the presence of the trees at the base of the beam, which is kinda a dead giveaway, and the lack of a difference in the ending based on your last choice in ME2 which frankly i'm not sure how we missed for so long anyway.

Enough with the trees, people. If we're going to prove this, we need more solid evidence. Half the stuff I've seen on here is just us grasping at straws and really doesn't prove anything unless you presuppose what we're saying is true. Let's find some cold hard evidence, not more speculation.

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[Tony_Knightcrawler]

3:30 - Shepard picks up ANOTER infite god-pistol. What happened to the one he/she just had? If you noticed before, the first pistol is mysteriously gone.

He dropped it when he was flung through the teleporty-beam.