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[Omilophile]

mooney6023 wrote...

I'm hoping MindNebula will forgive me for not waiting for his response on reposting this. But he pointed out the following in a PM to me recently.

Hey mooney6023,

I can't post in the thread as I don't have the game yet, but in response to your queries about the importance of who comes out of the Normandy at the ending scene, the game has a specific mechanic that determines this.

The two squadmates that Shepard has the highest relationship with (i.e. you talked to the most, brought with you on squads the most) and/or the love interest if you have one will always exit the Normandy with Joker (note that EDI always comes out in the Synthesis ending).

I subscribe to the belief (mentioned earlier in the thread) that this whole scene is merely a part of Shep's hallucination where s/he imagined his/her favorite squadmate(s) and LI being alive and well after the crash (provided the player had high enough EMS for them to survive the run to the Conduit). This is probably the only reason this scene could possibly make sense in the context of the ending if you brought those squadmates with you to the final push.

A good point. I always brought Javik with me everywhere. The other character varied, but Javik was always on my squad. And guess who came out. However, I'm still not convinced that it isn't just the people you happened to bring with you on the final run. I brought Javik and Vega. I don't recall talking to Vega or bringing him with me more than anyone else, but he came out alongside Javik.

[AscendBaldur]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is anyone else taking an allegorical feel to this, and maybe seeing what BW is doing?

I think they're trying to "indoctrinate" feeding us this terrible ending and making us question ourselves and the franchise. I think they are testing our will here, and something much, much greater and grand is about to come out of this...

If it does, then Mass Effect may be the grandest story told in the last twenty years of gaming, and maybe any other form of media.

Hold your breath, grandfather has ONE more story to tell.

yes several of us have already posted to this effect, a few pages back.

[J4N3_M3]

i've played the entire game using Kaidan and Liara. They were even in my final squad, My Shepard romanced Kaidan since ME1, never cheated on him so he came out first right after Joker, then came Liara.

[WTF_at_masseffect3_ending]

At this point even if it wasn't what was "intended". I dont care, I can only sleep at night believing this to be true. Too many things back it up. Too many things just flat out don't make sense unless its all just a dream. I'm happy with that, it makes the ending awesome, i died i choose blue. But it was a mistake i wouldn't ever have consciously chosen, masseffect tricked me masseffect for me has become the greatest game series of all time. There is nothing, even bioware coming out and saying its not the case, nothing, that will change how i'm interpreting the ending.

[Icinix]

...this thread is in danger of getting buried beneath quote pyramids and dying....

[Urumashi]

Ravax wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

yet another thing that had been bugging me, i had always passed it off as "well...mabye they just counted that huge wave of reaperspawn you had to fend off from the missles as such. But now that this whole indoctrination possibility has come to light that seems like a major bit of evidence

In regards to the huge wave of reaperspawn, we had similar in ME1 and ME2, let me extrapolate:

in ME1: Before getting into the council chamber for the final boss fight with Saren, you had to pass hoards of geth on the outer walls of the citadel.

in ME2: HOARDS of collector's and Harbinger's: Assuming direct control of the pawns... and on the flying platforms..

That huge wave of reaperspawns, was just as any other game should be, a difficult final corridor of fighting, leading to the ultimate boss fight...

i concurr.

Edit: scratch that "my name's urumashi and this is my favorite point on this thread"

Modifié par Urumashi, 13 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[LadyofRivendell]

mooney6023 wrote...

I'm hoping MindNebula will forgive me for not waiting for his response on reposting this. But he pointed out the following in a PM to me recently.

Hey mooney6023,

I can't post in the thread as I don't have the game yet, but in response to your queries about the importance of who comes out of the Normandy at the ending scene, the game has a specific mechanic that determines this.

The two squadmates that Shepard has the highest relationship with (i.e. you talked to the most, brought with you on squads the most) and/or the love interest if you have one will always exit the Normandy with Joker (note that EDI always comes out in the Synthesis ending).

I subscribe to the belief (mentioned earlier in the thread) that this whole scene is merely a part of Shep's hallucination where s/he imagined his/her favorite squadmate(s) and LI being alive and well after the crash (provided the player had high enough EMS for them to survive the run to the Conduit). This is probably the only reason this scene could possibly make sense in the context of the ending if you brought those squadmates with you to the final push.

That's what I reasoned, too, but in my second ending (Destroy), only Joker and Kaidan walked out of the Normandy. No one else.  I mean, Kaidan was both my LI and the person I talked to the most in game and dragged around with me the most. But shouldn't the ending default to the next character in the heiarchy in that case?

Not that it has much to do with the indoctrination theory, but I do believe the reasoning behind what you said is true, it's a final motivation for Shepard.

[Elidor109]

Icinix wrote...

...this thread is in danger of getting buried beneath quote pyramids and dying....

Don't hate my pyramid  It's not trying to be mean.

Think of it as a prothean data disk! It's storing data for the next cycle (readers)!  lol

[Yurok1980]

I've read the whole OP, but have yet to wade through all the avalanche of comments; thus, I am not 100% certain this hasn't already been noted. During the scene with TIM and Anderson, when TIM forces you to shoot Anderson, we shortly after see Shepard holding his/her side (in the same location as Anderson had been shot), and a gout of fresh blood pouring over his/her hand, to the point that (s)he passes out near the console. This plays into the dream/hallucination state of mind theory.

[Reptilian Rob]

AscendBaldur wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is anyone else taking an allegorical feel to this, and maybe seeing what BW is doing?

I think they're trying to "indoctrinate" feeding us this terrible ending and making us question ourselves and the franchise. I think they are testing our will here, and something much, much greater and grand is about to come out of this...

If it does, then Mass Effect may be the grandest story told in the last twenty years of gaming, and maybe any other form of media.

Hold your breath, grandfather has ONE more story to tell.

yes several of us have already posted to this effect, a few pages back.

Glad to see I'm not the only person in that boat. 

[kent80082006]

An additional point worth mentioning (don't know if it's been discussed before so ignore if it has)

At the end the Normandy is seen escaping the blast of energy and presumably using the mass relay. However the only mass relay in the sol system is located near Pluto, there's no way Normandy could have utilized it since the ship should be near Earth when the crucible fired. An explanation is that the scene is imagined by Shepherd in coma in representation for his desire for his squad to escape.

Modifié par kent80082006, 13 mars 2012 - 08:29 .

[mooney6023]

WTF_at_masseffect3_ending wrote...

At this point even if it wasn't what was "intended". I dont care, I can only sleep at night believing this to be true. Too many things back it up. Too many things just flat out don't make sense unless its all just a dream. I'm happy with that, it makes the ending awesome, i died i choose blue. But it was a mistake i wouldn't ever have consciously chosen, masseffect tricked me masseffect for me has become the greatest game series of all time. There is nothing, even bioware coming out and saying its not the case, nothing, that will change how i'm interpreting the ending.

Actually I think MindNebula was trying to tell us it was who you talked to the most not who you brought with you the most.

But aside from that I can't by any means say I talked to Javik more than others, I talked to everyone equally after every mission until they started repeating lines.

But, it is possible that Javik had more individual lines after each mission than most others.  Many had nothing to say, but Javik almost always had some comment about what just happend, as often as joker really.  EDI post body acquistion a close second to Javik and Joker.

In so far as the other crew member that exits the ship, definitely your LI or so it seems.  Not sure what happens if you end the game single.

[Urumashi]

LadyofRivendell wrote...

mooney6023 wrote...

I'm hoping MindNebula will forgive me for not waiting for his response on reposting this. But he pointed out the following in a PM to me recently.

Hey mooney6023,

I can't post in the thread as I don't have the game yet, but in response to your queries about the importance of who comes out of the Normandy at the ending scene, the game has a specific mechanic that determines this.

The two squadmates that Shepard has the highest relationship with (i.e. you talked to the most, brought with you on squads the most) and/or the love interest if you have one will always exit the Normandy with Joker (note that EDI always comes out in the Synthesis ending).

I subscribe to the belief (mentioned earlier in the thread) that this whole scene is merely a part of Shep's hallucination where s/he imagined his/her favorite squadmate(s) and LI being alive and well after the crash (provided the player had high enough EMS for them to survive the run to the Conduit). This is probably the only reason this scene could possibly make sense in the context of the ending if you brought those squadmates with you to the final push.

That's what I reasoned, too, but in my second ending (Destroy), only Joker and Kaidan walked out of the Normandy. No one else.  I mean, Kaidan was both my LI and the person I talked to the most in game and dragged around with me the most. But shouldn't the ending default to the next character in the heiarchy in that case?

Not that it has much to do with the indoctrination theory, but I do believe the reasoning behind what you said is true, it's a final motivation for Shepard.

completely off subject and totally out there please feel free to ignore this if it isnt relevant to you. your name is siobhan isnt it?

[Auresta]

Yurok1980 wrote...

I've read the whole OP, but have yet to wade through all the avalanche of comments; thus, I am not 100% certain this hasn't already been noted. During the scene with TIM and Anderson, when TIM forces you to shoot Anderson, we shortly after see Shepard holding his/her side (in the same location as Anderson had been shot), and a gout of fresh blood pouring over his/her hand, to the point that (s)he passes out near the console. This plays into the dream/hallucination state of mind theory.

Addressed earlier with pictures. Great to bring it up again, though, for those who missed it.

[Omilophile]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is anyone else taking an allegorical feel to this, and maybe seeing what BW is doing?

I think they're trying to "indoctrinate" feeding us this terrible ending and making us question ourselves and the franchise. I think they are testing our will here, and something much, much greater and grand is about to come out of this...

If it does, then Mass Effect may be the grandest story told in the last twenty years of gaming, and maybe any other form of media.

Hold your breath, grandfather has ONE more story to tell.

Let's hope so. I haven't seen strong enough evidence yet, but hopefully something wil come along soon.

[Ravax]

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

yet another thing that had been bugging me, i had always passed it off as "well...mabye they just counted that huge wave of reaperspawn you had to fend off from the missles as such. But now that this whole indoctrination possibility has come to light that seems like a major bit of evidence

In regards to the huge wave of reaperspawn, we had similar in ME1 and ME2, let me extrapolate:

in ME1: Before getting into the council chamber for the final boss fight with Saren, you had to pass hoards of geth on the outer walls of the citadel.

in ME2: HOARDS of collector's and Harbinger's: Assuming direct control of the pawns... and on the flying platforms..

That huge wave of reaperspawns, was just as any other game should be, a difficult final corridor of fighting, leading to the ultimate boss fight...

i concurr.

Edit: scratch that "my name's urumashi and this is my favorite point on this thread"

Let me save that to the vid screen......Thank you!! You now have a 10% discount in my store!!!

[LadyofRivendell]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

AscendBaldur wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Is anyone else taking an allegorical feel to this, and maybe seeing what BW is doing?

I think they're trying to "indoctrinate" feeding us this terrible ending and making us question ourselves and the franchise. I think they are testing our will here, and something much, much greater and grand is about to come out of this...

If it does, then Mass Effect may be the grandest story told in the last twenty years of gaming, and maybe any other form of media.

Hold your breath, grandfather has ONE more story to tell.

yes several of us have already posted to this effect, a few pages back.

Glad to see I'm not the only person in that boat. 

I was under the impression that this was one of the big theories, that BW was indoctrinating us at the same time that the Reapers were indoctrinating Shepard. Therefore, the end is a test to both of us. 

[kazar86]

Hi! I'm an italian me fan and I'm sorry for my bad english -.-
THANK YOU TO BRING ME THIS HOPE! I haven't finish the game yet because I red a news on the web abount the horribe ending and I was really afraid to se that! I'm really involved in this saga and I really hope for this indoctination theory.
I think also that it is really strange that no one of ma3 staff have done any answer to the question and instead with the day one DLC they repliend so early... Maybe they are waiting the game launch in all the world and than with a patch they unlock the true ending... I wanna belive this!!!

[Hydralisk]

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

TIM was going to be a boss fight, with him turning into a Reaper/Husk thing or something, but that was scrapped for the dialogue scene we got.

The one where you can fail.

[Sajuro]

Auresta wrote...

mooney6023 wrote...

I'm hoping MindNebula will forgive me for not waiting for his response on reposting this. But he pointed out the following in a PM to me recently.

Hey mooney6023,

I can't post in the thread as I don't have the game yet, but in response to your queries about the importance of who comes out of the Normandy at the ending scene, the game has a specific mechanic that determines this.

The two squadmates that Shepard has the highest relationship with (i.e. you talked to the most, brought with you on squads the most) and/or the love interest if you have one will always exit the Normandy with Joker (note that EDI always comes out in the Synthesis ending).

I subscribe to the belief (mentioned earlier in the thread) that this whole scene is merely a part of Shep's hallucination where s/he imagined his/her favorite squadmate(s) and LI being alive and well after the crash (provided the player had high enough EMS for them to survive the run to the Conduit). This is probably the only reason this scene could possibly make sense in the context of the ending if you brought those squadmates with you to the final push.

I agree until the end: Javik came out in my ending. Why. I always talked to and used Liara. 

Maybe because of always bugging Javik to see if he has any lines or going to his room after missions to see if he's talking with anyone?

[Icinix]

Elidor109 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

...this thread is in danger of getting buried beneath quote pyramids and dying....

Don't hate my pyramid  It's not trying to be mean.

Think of it as a prothean data disk! It's storing data for the next cycle (readers)!  lol

*climbs to the top and finds a teddy bear and some ammo*

[Icinix]

Hydralisk wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

TIM was going to be a boss fight, with him turning into a Reaper/Husk thing or something, but that was scrapped for the dialogue scene we got.

The one where you can fail.

Also - am I the only one who doesn't believe that TIM is indoctrinated?

[Urumashi]

Ravax wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

yet another thing that had been bugging me, i had always passed it off as "well...mabye they just counted that huge wave of reaperspawn you had to fend off from the missles as such. But now that this whole indoctrination possibility has come to light that seems like a major bit of evidence

In regards to the huge wave of reaperspawn, we had similar in ME1 and ME2, let me extrapolate:

in ME1: Before getting into the council chamber for the final boss fight with Saren, you had to pass hoards of geth on the outer walls of the citadel.

in ME2: HOARDS of collector's and Harbinger's: Assuming direct control of the pawns... and on the flying platforms..

That huge wave of reaperspawns, was just as any other game should be, a difficult final corridor of fighting, leading to the ultimate boss fight...

i concurr.

Edit: scratch that "my name's urumashi and this is my favorite point on this thread"

Let me save that to the vid screen......Thank you!! You now have a 10% discount in my store!!!

*plods over to the next thread* "my name is urumashi and this-.....you get the picture"

[Omilophile]

Hydralisk wrote...

TIM was going to be a boss fight, with him turning into a Reaper/Husk thing or something, but that was scrapped for the dialogue scene we got.

The one where you can fail.

I love your sig. Monty Python FTW.

Modifié par Omilophile, 13 mars 2012 - 08:34 .

[Sierra163]

Ravax wrote...

Urumashi wrote...

Ravax wrote...

Dont know if this has been mentioned (too many pages) but i think this is the

SINGLE MOST IMPORTANT PIECE OF EVIDENCE as to why we havent 'finished the game yet':

WE DID NOT HAVE A BOSS FIGHT!!!!!!!!!

ME1: Saren
ME2: Human Reaper

ME3: wtf no choice straight line emotional flush down the pooper rage / table flip / hours on forums trying to find salvation.

yet another thing that had been bugging me, i had always passed it off as "well...mabye they just counted that huge wave of reaperspawn you had to fend off from the missles as such. But now that this whole indoctrination possibility has come to light that seems like a major bit of evidence

In regards to the huge wave of reaperspawn, we had similar in ME1 and ME2, let me extrapolate:

in ME1: Before getting into the council chamber for the final boss fight with Saren, you had to pass hoards of geth on the outer walls of the citadel.

in ME2: HOARDS of collector's and Harbinger's: Assuming direct control of the pawns... and on the flying platforms..

That huge wave of reaperspawns, was just as any other game should be, a difficult final corridor of fighting, leading to the ultimate boss fight...

This is one of the glaring things missing from the game. It's one of the major reasons I think something isn't finished.