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[Tashakov]

MasterMenace wrote...

CaseyHudson tweeted this:

@ParallelFire You are correct. We have a rule on the team that there are no canon choices. We leave it to you to decide Shepard's true path.

Not totally decisive, I'm afraid. Romancing Morinth, for instance, is obviously not canon, and I believe that would be equated with inadvertently becoming indoctrinated. If the theory is true, Synthesis and Control would be non-standard game overs instead of actual divergences in the ending.

Of course, that is all conjecture on whether the endings are actually psychological metaphors for Shepard's resistance, or literal actions.

[Joneo]

The way i see it Bioware are the masters of RPGs their games have some of the best stories. They simply wouldn't let this massive trilogy end with so much obvious confusion.

At the end of the 'Destroy' ending we see Shepard take a breath in earths rubble, i see this as him/her breaking the indoctrination and waking up after being hit by Harbinger. He/she never made it to the beam all that was Harbinger trying to change Shepard's mind.

[Auresta]

MasterMenace wrote...

CaseyHudson tweeted this:

@ParallelFire You are correct. We have a rule on the team that there are no canon choices. We leave it to you to decide Shepard's true path.

Quoting to bump.

[Walrusninja]

There has to be SOME reason behind the hum, it's mentioned like every time you talk to him in a sort of "PAY ATTENTION" way.

Modifié par Walrusninja, 13 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[AllThatJazz]

A few pages ago, someone mentioned that the 'fake ending' thing has been done before, in a graphic novel series (Sin City 4: That Yellow ****), in this case an apparent ending, followed by several pages of readers' letters, followed by the real ending. Isn't Mac Walters a huge comic book fan? Would stand to sense that he knows about the ending of this graphic novel if so, and maybe thought it would be a great idea for the game ... dunno, might lend further credence to the idea that Mass Effect 3 isn't done yet .... fingers crossed!x

[Reptilian Rob]

liesandpropaganda wrote...

MasterMenace wrote...

CaseyHudson tweeted this:

@ParallelFire You are correct. We have a rule on the team that there are no canon choices. We leave it to you to decide Shepard's true path.

yeah, the true paths which all end in one sad place

Don't forget the colors!

[JawmuncherX]

AllThatJazz wrote...

A few pages ago, someone mentioned that the 'fake ending' thing has been done before, in a graphic novel series (Sin City 4: That Yellow ****), in this case an apparent ending, followed by several pages of readers' letters, followed by the real ending. Isn't Mac Walters a huge comic book fan? Would stand to sense that he knows about the ending of this graphic novel if so, and maybe thought it would be a great idea for the game ... dunno, might lend further credence to the idea that Mass Effect 3 isn't done yet .... fingers crossed!x

I really do think Bioware is messing with everyone.

[Walrusninja]

CH wouldn't have just said what was just quoted if that was it (the end) , seriously.

Modifié par Walrusninja, 13 mars 2012 - 09:20 .

[SandTrout]

AllThatJazz wrote...

A few pages ago, someone mentioned that the 'fake ending' thing has been done before, in a graphic novel series (Sin City 4: That Yellow ****), in this case an apparent ending, followed by several pages of readers' letters, followed by the real ending. Isn't Mac Walters a huge comic book fan? Would stand to sense that he knows about the ending of this graphic novel if so, and maybe thought it would be a great idea for the game ... dunno, might lend further credence to the idea that Mass Effect 3 isn't done yet .... fingers crossed!x

Still poor delivery making us wait this long to get a proper ending. If they wanted to do something like that, they should have done it after our current closing cinematic, or at the latest, after the credits.

By making us wait this long, they are making us bitter, which will translate to our perception of the true ending they provide.

[lavosslayer]

Auresta wrote...

MasterMenace wrote...

CaseyHudson tweeted this:

@ParallelFire You are correct. We have a rule on the team that there are no canon choices. We leave it to you to decide Shepard's true path.

Quoting to bump.

If this were true then why do they force certain choices on you like giving tali the geth parts from ME1 to take to the quarian fleet or udina being on the council in ME3 despite you picking anderson? Or the lack of choices at the end of ME 3 (its literally pick your death! lol) unless its indoctrination like we surmise...

Suffice to say..he may want to review some of his policies actually being enforced because there are examples of them not...

[Tashakov]

Walrusninja wrote...

CH wouldn't have just said what was just quoted if that was it (the end) , seriously.

Not totally decisive, I'm afraid. Romancing Morinth, for instance, is obviously not canon, and I believe that would be equated with inadvertently becoming indoctrinated. If the theory is true, Synthesis and Control would be non-standard game overs instead of actual divergences in the ending.

Of course, that is all conjecture on whether the endings are actually psychological metaphors for Shepard's resistance, or literal actions.

[Hurricane Brad]

I've been following this thread for a little while but it seems to be growing much faster than I can keep up with it.  I have to agree that the indoctrination/dream theory following the reaper beam seems to make sense.  There is also some wishful thinking on my part, but it seems like there is just too much pointing towards indoctrination for it to be a coincidence.

One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

- After Shepard "wakes up" from the reaper beam blast, he staggers forward and shoots the husks
- The marauder seems to shoot Shepard in his right arm or shoulder, causing his right side to jerk back
- When Shepard arrives on the citadel his wound appears to be on his left side

Suggests a dream sequence to me.  Thoughts?

[Auresta]

Hurricane Brad wrote...

I've been following this thread for a little while but it seems to be growing much faster than I can keep up with it.  I have to agree that the indoctrination/dream theory following the reaper beam seems to make sense.  There is also some wishful thinking on my part, but it seems like there is just too much pointing towards indoctrination for it to be a coincidence.

One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

- After Shepard "wakes up" from the reaper beam blast, he staggers forward and shoots the husks
- The marauder seems to shoot Shepard in his right arm or shoulder, causing his right side to jerk back
- When Shepard arrives on the citadel his wound appears to be on his left side

Suggests a dream sequence to me.  Thoughts?

Someone brought half of this up - that when you shoot Anderon's left side of his torso, shortly after you clutch the left side of your torso. Seems to be apart from the Marauder's shot at you.

[Tygur]

Indoctrinating people?
"Malcom Stewart: I'm thinking you guys indoctrinated me I can't stop playing. I was hooked the day Mass Effect 1 came out
Mass Effect: @igotzpancakemix It's quite possible. ;-)"

[Tashakov]

Hurricane Brad wrote...
One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

- After Shepard "wakes up" from the reaper beam blast, he staggers forward and shoots the husks
- The marauder seems to shoot Shepard in his right arm or shoulder, causing his right side to jerk back
- When Shepard arrives on the citadel his wound appears to be on his left side

Suggests a dream sequence to me.  Thoughts?

Ooh, that is interesting! I remember when my Shepard was shot, I fully expected something more to come of that, like coming upon more enemies that would slowly wound my Shepard more and more... And then nothing. Seems very odd to script a sequence like that with no purpose whatsoever, when it could've just been a Marauder-variant of the husks. Why animate Shepard for just that one?

Unfortunately, logic leads to no actual answers there. Assuming significance because of a switch in the side seems... tenuous, at best. More likely than not, it was just like that mirrored 1M1 emblem; an over-sight that got past people who weren't looking for small details.

[Chatticus Maximus]

Auresta wrote...

Hurricane Brad wrote...

I've been following this thread for a little while but it seems to be growing much faster than I can keep up with it.  I have to agree that the indoctrination/dream theory following the reaper beam seems to make sense.  There is also some wishful thinking on my part, but it seems like there is just too much pointing towards indoctrination for it to be a coincidence.

One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

- After Shepard "wakes up" from the reaper beam blast, he staggers forward and shoots the husks
- The marauder seems to shoot Shepard in his right arm or shoulder, causing his right side to jerk back
- When Shepard arrives on the citadel his wound appears to be on his left side

Suggests a dream sequence to me.  Thoughts?

Someone brought half of this up - that when you shoot Anderon's left side of his torso, shortly after you clutch the left side of your torso. Seems to be apart from the Marauder's shot at you.

I must admit, I put that down to the Harbinger wanting Shepard to THINK he fought through a last few remnants, it gives him the extra clarity he needs to THINK he is pushing on to the citadel, to THINK he still needs to get to the target.  Kind of a "come on mate, there's still these guys, they're sooooo nasty, just get into the beam and you can stop them then... trust me..."

[Tygur]

Also just saw this:
@SlimAvery: I still have mixed feelings about the ending. I'll play again eventually though, still need to do the DLC and hit lv 60.
Mass Effect: @slimavery All are good choices. And don't be too bummed about the ending. Next time you play, it may be different. ;-)

[Deviant Ingredient]

Ok I've read that people think that 'destroy' means Shepard fought off indoctrination and 'control' means s/he was indoctrinated. What of merge? Would Shepard be like the new harbinger or freaky Illusive Man 2.0? Also what are the theories for if Shepard picked 'destroy' but died?

[Tashakov]

Got a link to the video with "Harbinger's" voice!
Around 40 seconds in.
Here is a comparison from ME2, around 13 seconds he says "Shepard."
It... could be him, I suppose. Sounds more like Wrex to me, though. Suppose we'll just chalk it up to "maybe". It certainly won't stand on its own as evidence, however.

Modifié par adrianlocke647, 13 mars 2012 - 09:32 .

[Icinix]

adrianlocke647 wrote...

New little tid-bit from GameFAQs, though I've yet to test it personally. Could be false, but a few others backed up the claim, so I'm assuming it is true.
---
"As I get into the dream, I see the boy running and hear numerous whispers as well as view ghostly figures. These are obvious clues that everyone noticed being just like indoctrination victims however have you ever tried to resist the kid?

As soon as the kid runs away, I turned around and ran from him and guess what happened?

A whisper says "Shepard" in a human voice and the kid cries, forcing my Shepard to turn around.

I turn around again, doing the same thing and guess what happened the second time?

A whisper says "Shepard" in Harbinger's voice, or at least one similar enough to mistake it. This was tested on the dream right after the resolution of the genophage plot-line."
---
If anyone has the time or a save near one of the dream sequences, it'd be nice to actually get a recording of this to dissect, and if it proves true, that's another drop in the evidence-bucket!

There is indeed two mentions of Shepard - then the end of the video plays anyway.

Neither are distinctively Harbinger - but the second one does seem more irate and gravely.

[Repossessor]

Not to mention that I have yet to see anyone who thinks the indoctrination is wishful thinking offer up any sort of explanation as to why on the citadel Shepard and Anderson are being puppeteered, so to speak - controlled. How is this suddenly possible? What makes Shepard shoot Anderson, if there isn't any form of indoctrination going on?

[Hurricane Brad]

adrianlocke647 wrote...

Hurricane Brad wrote...
One thing I've noticed that I haven't seen mentioned yet:

- After Shepard "wakes up" from the reaper beam blast, he staggers forward and shoots the husks
- The marauder seems to shoot Shepard in his right arm or shoulder, causing his right side to jerk back
- When Shepard arrives on the citadel his wound appears to be on his left side

Suggests a dream sequence to me.  Thoughts?

Ooh, that is interesting! I remember when my Shepard was shot, I fully expected something more to come of that, like coming upon more enemies that would slowly wound my Shepard more and more... And then nothing. Seems very odd to script a sequence like that with no purpose whatsoever, when it could've just been a Marauder-variant of the husks. Why animate Shepard for just that one?

Unfortunately, logic leads to no actual answers there. Assuming significance because of a switch in the side seems... tenuous, at best. More likely than not, it was just like that mirrored 1M1 emblem; an over-sight that got past people who weren't looking for small details.

Yeah, I've noticed wounds change place in games and movies before.  If there weren't all these other clues suggesting that all is not as it seems I would probably dismiss it as a simple mistake by the animators.

[MasterMenace]

Tygur wrote...

Indoctrinating people?
"Malcom Stewart: I'm thinking you guys indoctrinated me I can't stop playing. I was hooked the day Mass Effect 1 came out
Mass Effect: @igotzpancakemix It's quite possible. ;-)"

The "MassEffect" official twitter is all bogus crap by this one person behind it. It's most likely some hired PR guy to thank everyone who says "this game is awesome"..

If you want proof, just read the twitter of all the things "MassEffect" twitter person says. Never really acknowledges the negative people.

[MordiMoro]

If the ending is a hallucination / indoctrination ... because the last scene with the grandfather?

Modifié par MordiMoro, 13 mars 2012 - 09:31 .