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[TobiTobsen]

Tygur wrote...

Also just saw this:
@SlimAvery: I still have mixed feelings about the ending. I'll play again eventually though, still need to do the DLC and hit lv 60.
Mass Effect: @slimavery All are good choices. And don't be too bummed about the ending. Next time you play, it may be different. ;-)

It might be blue! Or green! SO MANY CHOICES!

[BigBossBoo]

Those trees actually aren't evidence for the theory. They are on the battlefield and they are the exact same trees.... before and after the blast.

Also the 1m1 thing... the thing it's on looks like a rifle... at the end, it clearly has a barrel (look "down" it, it doesn't have a hole, but it's clearly a barrel).  It also has a scope inbetween the gun and the pillar, and a curved handle... looks like a rifle to me.

Modifié par BigBossBoo, 13 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[gooberfish311]

adrianlocke647 wrote...


Got a link to the video with "Harbinger's" voice!
Around 40 seconds in.
Here is a comparison from ME2, around 13 seconds he says "Shepard."
It... could be him, I suppose. Sounds more like Wrex to me, though. Suppose we'll just chalk it up to "maybe". It certainly won't stand on its own as evidence, however.

Only way to know would be to ask the person who made it if Wrex were dead in their game.

[Rolling Flame]

Just replayed the end to get the destroy sequence, mostly just to see where the squaddies were when Harbinger fires on Shepard. They stop following after the final ridge before the final sprint to the Conduit, if that means anything to anybody.

I've also noticed that when Shepard sits down after the Illusive Man kills himself that he has a fresh, bleeding wound, near around the area where Anderson was shot. Now why would Shepard be bleeding fresh blood, when he had not be hit in that area. Seems a little coincidental.

[Elidor109]

gooberfish311 wrote...

adrianlocke647 wrote...


Got a link to the video with "Harbinger's" voice!
Around 40 seconds in.
Here is a comparison from ME2, around 13 seconds he says "Shepard."
It... could be him, I suppose. Sounds more like Wrex to me, though. Suppose we'll just chalk it up to "maybe". It certainly won't stand on its own as evidence, however.

Only way to know would be to ask the person who made it if Wrex were dead in their game.

The person who voice acted for harbinger isn't in the credits.

[RemorseLessXx]

If you have not seen this video please go watch it and its a good point. This guy might be right because it does make a lot of sense in my eyes.

Also this one is a little more detailed.

Modifié par RemorseLessXx, 13 mars 2012 - 09:41 .

[Icinix]

Rolling Flame wrote...

Just replayed the end to get the destroy sequence, mostly just to see where the squaddies were when Harbinger fires on Shepard. They stop following after the final ridge before the final sprint to the Conduit, if that means anything to anybody.

I've also noticed that when Shepard sits down after the Illusive Man kills himself that he has a fresh, bleeding wound, near around the area where Anderson was shot. Now why would Shepard be bleeding fresh blood, when he had not be hit in that area. Seems a little coincidental.

FightClub style eh?

Seems possible.

[Auresta]

Elidor109 wrote...

gooberfish311 wrote...

adrianlocke647 wrote...


Got a link to the video with "Harbinger's" voice!
Around 40 seconds in.
Here is a comparison from ME2, around 13 seconds he says "Shepard."
It... could be him, I suppose. Sounds more like Wrex to me, though. Suppose we'll just chalk it up to "maybe". It certainly won't stand on its own as evidence, however.

Only way to know would be to ask the person who made it if Wrex were dead in their game.

The person who voice acted for harbinger isn't in the credits.

Thanks for being on top of things!

[Tashakov]

gooberfish311 wrote...

Only way to know would be to ask the person who made it if Wrex were dead in their game.

Latest statement said he's still alive in that playthrough. So...

Yeah, still not sure.  I'll go out on a limb and say "Wrex", though.

Harbinger's VA not being in the credits isn't a complete out, though. They replaced Mordin's voice nearly-flawlessly, so the same *could* have been done with Harbinger. All the same, however, I doubt they'd bother for that single line.

Modifié par adrianlocke647, 13 mars 2012 - 09:39 .

[Auresta]

Icinix wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

Just replayed the end to get the destroy sequence, mostly just to see where the squaddies were when Harbinger fires on Shepard. They stop following after the final ridge before the final sprint to the Conduit, if that means anything to anybody.

I've also noticed that when Shepard sits down after the Illusive Man kills himself that he has a fresh, bleeding wound, near around the area where Anderson was shot. Now why would Shepard be bleeding fresh blood, when he had not be hit in that area. Seems a little coincidental.

FightClub style eh?

Seems possible.

You will see your dead squad if your EMS is low, so your point is a little weak.

And yes, the wound has been brought up. Thanks for reviving it for those who didn't see it, though!

[Chatticus Maximus]

Icinix wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

Just replayed the end to get the destroy sequence, mostly just to see where the squaddies were when Harbinger fires on Shepard. They stop following after the final ridge before the final sprint to the Conduit, if that means anything to anybody.

I've also noticed that when Shepard sits down after the Illusive Man kills himself that he has a fresh, bleeding wound, near around the area where Anderson was shot. Now why would Shepard be bleeding fresh blood, when he had not be hit in that area. Seems a little coincidental.

FightClub style eh?

Seems possible.

Fight club style would definitely make sense... Anderson is not there, what TIM is making you do is THINK you shot Anderson, when actually you just shot yourself!  Making you physically weaker, and therefore easier to suggestions from the Indoctrination! 

[AllThatJazz]

SandTrout wrote...

AllThatJazz wrote...

A few pages ago, someone mentioned that the 'fake ending' thing has been done before, in a graphic novel series (Sin City 4: That Yellow ****), in this case an apparent ending, followed by several pages of readers' letters, followed by the real ending. Isn't Mac Walters a huge comic book fan? Would stand to sense that he knows about the ending of this graphic novel if so, and maybe thought it would be a great idea for the game ... dunno, might lend further credence to the idea that Mass Effect 3 isn't done yet .... fingers crossed!x

Still poor delivery making us wait this long to get a proper ending. If they wanted to do something like that, they should have done it after our current closing cinematic, or at the latest, after the credits.

By making us wait this long, they are making us bitter, which will translate to our perception of the true ending they provide.

Thing is though, if the real ending had been tacked straight on to the end of the original game, then that ending would have been datamined/leaked, and wouldn't have been a surprise for anyone ... if they delay the release of the ending until after the game comes out in Asia, then everyone gets it at the same time (roughly) and they avoid the kind of horrific spoilage that's been happening over the past few months all over the internet.

Honestly, if they did this, I would not be bitter at all. I would be thrilled that Bio got one up on all the rear-ends who posted spoilers where anyone could find them (I'm not including Xoisite and Tank, obviously). And also thrilled that the game has actually ended much better than I originally thought.  I'm still angry at the idiot who posted end-game spoilers in the comments of an ME3 trailer on YouTube, which is how I found out how ME3 finished.

Eh, it's probably still wishful thinking anyway.

Sorry for the derailment. Indoctrination Hallucination FTW 

[Dougremer]

[quote]SandTrout wrote...

[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...

By making us wait this long, they are making us bitter, which will translate to our perception of the true ending they provide.

[/quote]

I don't mind waiting. Cause I don't want this series to end

/D

[Martukis]

Chatticus Maximus wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Rolling Flame wrote...

Just replayed the end to get the destroy sequence, mostly just to see where the squaddies were when Harbinger fires on Shepard. They stop following after the final ridge before the final sprint to the Conduit, if that means anything to anybody.

I've also noticed that when Shepard sits down after the Illusive Man kills himself that he has a fresh, bleeding wound, near around the area where Anderson was shot. Now why would Shepard be bleeding fresh blood, when he had not be hit in that area. Seems a little coincidental.

FightClub style eh?

Seems possible.

Fight club style would definitely make sense... Anderson is not there, what TIM is making you do is THINK you shot Anderson, when actually you just shot yourself!  Making you physically weaker, and therefore easier to suggestions from the Indoctrination! 

 This would mean successfully "saving" Anderson lessens Shep's self inflicted wounds, meaning the EMS/speed with which Shep gets help wouldn't need to be as great... Or maybe I am overthinking things.

[holyshock18]

Goodmorning. Been asleep for the last 90 pages. Any news update?

[astrophyzcs]

gooberfish311 wrote...

adrianlocke647 wrote...


Got a link to the video with "Harbinger's" voice!
Around 40 seconds in.
Here is a comparison from ME2, around 13 seconds he says "Shepard."
It... could be him, I suppose. Sounds more like Wrex to me, though. Suppose we'll just chalk it up to "maybe". It certainly won't stand on its own as evidence, however.

Only way to know would be to ask the person who made it if Wrex were dead in their game.

That's definitely Wrex.

[Arriths]

I was so upset by the endings at first and was completely devastated, but reading this thread, and others like it with the same theory’s. If bioware intended for it to play out like that we "were" indoctrinated and it was all a hallucination and by beating (choosing destroy) we get to fight on (possibly), then this is the most epic moment in gaming history. Ever.

Bioware please for all that is good please let this be real. Please.

Modifié par Arriths, 13 mars 2012 - 09:43 .

[Auresta]

holyshock18 wrote...

Goodmorning. Been asleep for the last 90 pages. Any news update?

Not really. Repetition of old ideas. You'll probably get them again if you stay a little bit

[Clive Howlitzer]

I am late to the party but I hope all this is true. I had a feeling something funny was going on during the whole ending and then I chose destroy. I didn't get the Shepard breathing at the end though, unless I missed it by skipping the credits. I got the old man talking though. My EMS was like 4000

[Deviant Ingredient]

Deviant Ingredient


Joined: 2011-07-31
Ok I've read that people think that 'destroy' means Shepard fought off indoctrination and 'control' means s/he was indoctrinated. What of merge? Would Shepard be like the new harbinger or freaky Illusive Man 2.0? Also what are the theories for if Shepard picked 'destroy' but died?

Sorry for repeating but I am curious.
 

[MordiMoro]

How long this story will go?
I know friends who sold the game disappointed / not buy reading the final on the net...

[Reptilian Rob]

MordiMoro wrote...

If the ending is a hallucination / indoctrination ... because the last scene with the grandfather?

But he has one more story to tell...

[Kioux]

Only after my first playthrough did I stumble over the indoctrination theory and while I had difficulties to accept it at first - it actually does seem to make sense now.
I mean there were already a few parts that got my attention, like the symbolism of "walking into the light" an obvious temptation attempt. In the dreams, it wasn't just memories but also things the dead never said. And yes, the fact that we cannot turn away from the child but are forced in an unpleasant way (that's how I felt about it at least) to turn around is supporting the theory from my side as well. Additionally, and I only had this happen once so far, so I cannot confirm this for good - but when I was in the last dream sequence (after finally being with the LI again - in my case Kaidan) I was actually able to run a bit further away from the child and the further I got, the louder I heard Kaidan's voice calling "Shepard!" - as if it was the one good thing that tried to get him going - until the child forces us to turn around. I'll have to test that again though,
Then there is the thing with TIMs appearance - only a few hours before hitting earth, he seemed to look somewhat normal but on the Citadel he was so obviously changed that it seemed odd. Additionally - the vid at the Cerberus base - the last entry, moments where he supposedly got the implants... it is the only time where he seems actively aware of the camera and shuts it off. I can't pinpoint why this is bothering me but it is.Almost seems like a hint, or a call for help. There has been some moments when he actually seems... empathic? understanding? supporting? with Shepard. Maybe I'm reading too much into it - as if he is trying to warn Shepard without obviously doing so.
Anyway, thanks a lot for the input on Anderson, the black fog, and a lot of the other implications on the theory, it does help to cope with the ending atrocities. And if we actually get a 'real ending' DLC - it would just help everyone. Those who like the endings as they are could stick with them and those of us who want happy endings, the LI at the side and the look at my first Krogan godchild would finally be able to sleep with a smile again instead of clawing into the hope of having figured out the great cue behind those... those poor excuses.... Nyar!

[AllThatJazz]

[quote]Dougremer wrote...

[quote]SandTrout wrote...

[quote]AllThatJazz wrote...

By making us wait this long, they are making us bitter, which will translate to our perception of the true ending they provide.

[/quote]

I don't mind waiting. Cause I don't want this series to end

/D

[/quote]

It wasn't me that said I'm bitter, I'm wearing my hopeful hat!  And I totally agree with you, Mass Effect is just too good to end ... x