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[Auresta]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

BioWare dropping cryptic hints the moment we start catching onto this theory?

Seriously. They were silent before.

or they want to appease us. We are relentless.

[Lugaidster]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Hmmm.

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

This is in response to someone who had "Mixed feelings" about the ending. Could just be talking about EMS, or suggesting that the game may be patched/DLC'd later

I'm wondering if the new game+ shows a different ending, I mean. One that isn't a dream... I'm completely making this up, but maybe you could argue that your first play was you dreaming and the second one is you realizing that they would try to indoctrinate you and thus you get a different ending... Don't know. All this talk about a secret ending is making my head hurt, because the secret ending specifically states that you have to play through NG+ and the breathing scene can be gotten without a NG+, meaning that can't be the "secret" ending...

[astrophyzcs]

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Hmmm.

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

This is in response to someone who had "Mixed feelings" about the ending. Could just be talking about EMS, or suggesting that the game may be patched/DLC'd later

I think that tweet is more in reference to the existing three endings as being the prospective "different ending," rather than anything via DLC. 

[Erenbe]

Hmmm even though....Indoctrination and Shepard waking up in the end only means that the fight is not over. So we do miss the actual ending of the game.

Unless this is how Bioware wants to end Shepard's story and we'll see the end(less) fight against the reapers in the rumored Mass Effect MMORPG. :/

[J4N3_M3]

i should probably add that I don't find the ending bad. I found it confusing at first but it starts making more and more sense now. I don't want or need an ending DLC to make this game for me complete. The ending works for me as it is. I think Bioware created a great game series and they certainly won't lose or alienate me with making unexpected decisions. I play a game when it interests me. ME1,2 and 3 have interested me and so I played them. If future games from Bioware interest me, I will most likely play them too. *shrugs*

[TobiTobsen]

astrophyzcs wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Hmmm.

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

This is in response to someone who had "Mixed feelings" about the ending. Could just be talking about EMS, or suggesting that the game may be patched/DLC'd later

I think that tweet is more in reference to the existing three endings as being the prospective "different ending," rather than anything via DLC. 

I'm pretty sure the person hasn't experienced the other two colors yet! He must be so excited!

[mr.surv]

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

[Auresta]

Lugaidster wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Hmmm.

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

This is in response to someone who had "Mixed feelings" about the ending. Could just be talking about EMS, or suggesting that the game may be patched/DLC'd later

I'm wondering if the new game+ shows a different ending, I mean. One that isn't a dream... I'm completely making this up, but maybe you could argue that your first play was you dreaming and the second one is you realizing that they would try to indoctrinate you and thus you get a different ending... Don't know. All this talk about a secret ending is making my head hurt, because the secret ending specifically states that you have to play through NG+ and the breathing scene can be gotten without a NG+, meaning that can't be the "secret" ending...

The guide could have been written with only people new to ME3 in mind. In that case, they would need to do NG+ to get the breathing scene. 

But if we could hear from a NG+ person, that'd be cool too.

[Chatticus Maximus]

Mallechai wrote...

Chatticus Maximus wrote...

Mallechai wrote...

yuhime wrote...

frajerik wrote...

yuhime wrote...

Yes, but there is one thing that makes me confused. When you talk to the prothean VI on Tessia it doesn't recognize Shepard as indoctrinated one but Kai Leng. It says "presence of indoctrinated", or something like that, when Kai Leng shows up. Don't you think it would recognize Shepard as a threat as well?

Vigil on Ilos said that protheans couldnt recognize indocrination. The could tell that you are indocrinated but it was too late and you were fully indocrinated. Shepard can be still in process.

Yes, but Vigil also said: The indoctrinated one passed not long ago. You are not indoctrinated and that means there is still hope. 
Quote is not perfect, but I played it two weeks ago and I remember such dialoque. That's why this theory makes me confused. I mean I agree that the Reapers tryed to get into Shep's mind, that kid is walking proof that they could read her mind.
Hmmm... I have to think about this.

not sure on this but, wasnt it the case that indoctrination could happen very fast if a reaper wanted it, with as a side effect that the indoctrinated didnt last as long (only lasting days before dieing rather then months or years as would be the case with slow indoctrination) its mentioned somewhere in ME2 i believe (played it a few days ago but cant remember where)

Biggest point here is the context of the wording... indoctrinatED.  Shepard has NOT been indoctrinatED yet, he is slowly, VERY slowly, undergoing the process.  Since realising this human could bring the people of the galaxy together under a banner to KILL a Reaper, they realise if they want to break the will to fight, they need to break this human, and they would not succeed with a fast attempt, Shepard would just fight it out and they would lose a pivotal pawn.

But slow and steady... well, we all knows who wins the race right?

the problem is we dont know what very fast is in this case what if very fast means minutes, then we could have be blasted by the laser and then get indoctrinated on the spot, causing the hallucination we experience as the reaper tries to break our will

...and of course, that could be the way as well.  They realise the slow and steady hasn't worked... Time to bring out the Big Daddy and get Harbinger to give it that 'personal touch', in the form of a molten iron beam-shot so close you pass out, then he starts to work on a fast-pace mindblast, utilising what he has already learnt from the slow process, and going from there. 

[Gruumi]

TobiTobsen wrote...

astrophyzcs wrote...

Mobius-Silent wrote...

Hmmm.

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

This is in response to someone who had "Mixed feelings" about the ending. Could just be talking about EMS, or suggesting that the game may be patched/DLC'd later

I think that tweet is more in reference to the existing three endings as being the prospective "different ending," rather than anything via DLC. 

I'm pretty sure the person hasn't experienced the other two colors yet! He must be so excited!

I lol'd.

[Clive Howlitzer]

Erenbe wrote...

Hmmm even though....Indoctrination and Shepard waking up in the end only means that the fight is not over. So we do miss the actual ending of the game.

Unless this is how Bioware wants to end Shepard's story and we'll see the end(less) fight against the reapers in the rumored Mass Effect MMORPG. :/

That would be the worst thing in the universe.

[CptData]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

Christ, he's been having weird visions the ENTIRE game!

If Mordin dies, you hear whispers of his voice in a dream.

When Legion dies, you hear whispers of his voice in a dream.

The Reapers are playing off all of the things that makes Shepard weak willed. It's very clear what's going on throughout the game!

PTSD?
At least Shepard has his/her (mental) breakdown. After all the sh*t s/he has to go through, it was just a matter of time. Shepard is exhausted to a point where s/he can't take it anymore. And it shows.

A friend of mine, Deelane, likes the OP but also thinks it's another form of denial. Must say, the entire theory, as much as I support it, feels like grasping for straws since there's nothing hinting the entire ending was created in Shepard's mind only. The only - and ONLY - hint is given away in case Shepard survives. Who brought him/her back to Earth?

No one. Since s/he never left Earth.

But that's, as I said, the only hint given by the game while everything else, including the theory why the Normandy escaped & picked up your final squadmates, is made up in our heads.

[Phydeaux314]

mr.surv wrote...

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

Wait, what?

[Wattoes]

Just another thing I thought of that goes against the theory.

The "can you tell me another story" would imply a concusion to the current story.
For some reason, assuming indoctrination, I dont foresee this being realistic.
"In the charge to save the galaxy he failed and got blown to s*** by a lazer"
"SWEET STORY GRANDPA, TELL ME MORE ABOUT HIM"

[IronSabbath88]

I feel like I have to reiterate this since it probably got lost in the posts and is an important point.

But why are the squadmates fresh as daisies? They were all in the fight. No way they look that good. I don't care how little you were doing. This was a massive fight and especially the squadmates that you took with you, they don't look like they were in the prescence of a reaper beam.

Also, James, Ashley and Kaidan abandoning Earth? Not likely. That's their home too.

How does the Normandy land in the middle of a war zone to make a pickup?

[Phydeaux314]

er, CptData, there's a line in the game files that indicates Joker was supposed to provide close air support sometime during the final parts of the ending. Presumably he picks them up if they survive the beam.

[mr.surv]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

Wait, what?

4 new systems, but you can't go there, they don't have names... maybe bug....

[J4N3_M3]

as far as we know, no one has ever resisted direct indoctrination yet so no one really knows what this could cause to the Reapers. We also don't have any idea how the Crucible is supposed to work. What if the Catalyst isn't the child but actually Shepard resisting the indoctrination, hereby activating the Crucible to destroy the Reapers by releasing some form of virus or something among the Reapers?

just thinking out loud xD

[yuhime]

Hmmmm, no matter if we are right or not when I reached the ending my first thought was: I'm in the middle of K.Dick's novel, or what?
It was so... I don't even know how to explain this. K.Dick used to leave me so confused as well. Like if it didn't really happen and it's just some mad man's dream.

[CptData]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

er, CptData, there's a line in the game files that indicates Joker was supposed to provide close air support sometime during the final parts of the ending. Presumably he picks them up if they survive the beam.

Doesn't make much sense in case a) your final squad died and ... air support is bombing targets. They simply had not enough time to pick up two soldiers in the middle of the chaos.

Some ppl believe it's bugged. What if it's not bugged but intentional? In that case, it may support the dream theory.

[J4N3_M3]

mr.surv wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

Wait, what?

4 new systems, but you can't go there, they don't have names... maybe bug....

you mean the systems who grab the galaxy map thing yet don't have a ring aroudn them like the other systems we can go to? If that#s what you mean, I've had a bunch of those on my map during my first PT. 

[Thermorium]

mr.surv wrote...

Phydeaux314 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

Wait, what?

4 new systems, but you can't go there, they don't have names... maybe bug....

I found those when i was on my first playthrough as well, so maybe systems for future DLC (added as framework as the same way the prothean is already on the disc and the placeholder for kasumi in ME2).

[Igib]

I think you're right, OP. 

If you have your LI in your squad on Earth and get hit by that laser, Shep wakes up and is hearing Anderson ordering full retreat. Your LI's nowhere to be seen. When you made it to the Citadel, Anderson is there too. If he could follow
you there, why not your LI? S/he's obviously alive after the Normandy's crash. So, s/he has abandoned you, fled back to Normandy and flied off? Doesn't make any sense.

So, there are basically two possibilities (I'm sure they were stated many times before):

A.
Shep's dying after getting hit by laser and all s/he's experiencing is just a wishful dream... Good moment for your LI to drag him/her back to life and finish the job.

B.
Shep survives the hit and makes it to the Citadel, but is in a bad shape. Final confrontation with TIM is real. There are signs of fighting indoctrination during it. Then Shep passes out hearing Hackett. The rest is an indoctrinated dream trying to persuade him/her not to destroy them... if Shep takes the 'destroy' option, s/he wakes up and activates the Crucible. Win. However, this doesn't explain why there's Anderson on the Citadel instead of your squad.


Frankly, I don't know what to think. Current ending is off and doesn't make sense. But if the 'ending' is not an ending at all, doesn't this mean that BW is deliberately torturing its fans? I know, they're evil, but are they really that evil?

Modifié par Igib, 13 mars 2012 - 11:09 .

[Lugaidster]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

i should probably add that I don't find the ending bad. I found it confusing at first but it starts making more and more sense now. I don't want or need an ending DLC to make this game for me complete. The ending works for me as it is. I think Bioware created a great game series and they certainly won't lose or alienate me with making unexpected decisions. I play a game when it interests me. ME1,2 and 3 have interested me and so I played them. If future games from Bioware interest me, I will most likely play them too. *shrugs*

Cool, at least you are happy with it... Unfortunately I'm not . How can such a beautiful story be wrapped up with some criptic scenes is beyond me, getting or not getting it I was expecting closure, that's all.

[tuzem2]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Since they probably hint us to play again.... did someone noticed that there are 4 new systems on map?

Wait, what?

Can someone please PM me to explain that. I'm at work right now and can't follow the thread. Pretty please