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This would be nice. Very nice... So very nice!

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i thought it was dream the whole time......

i mean your running to the conduit all like, 'YEAH!!! ITS LIKE ME1!!! JUST RUN MOTHA FU-" then harby fires a chuck testa beam at you, and it all goes down hill from there.....

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littleork wrote...

I think u found bioware evil plan! AFter all I think it would make sense,especially with the breathing under rubble scene and just the overall dreamlike of everything after u wake up after running at the beam. It had the same feel as when u were dreaming of that kid, voices,that blood/dark spot around your screen and slow movement.


that or they run the scenario of you being dead for years again and you get to travel the galaxy and see what everyone is doing lol but then again there is no ships anymore

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DerNix wrote...

Serp86 wrote...

DerNix wrote...

I just found this...

http://social.biowar...3/index/9727337

Why the hell are the devs and lead writer talking NOW we have to keep our saves? It has to be something to do with the ending...


Well it can't be anything regarding the last mission since there's no way to manually save in that one . Hell even the autosave gets overwritten once you get back the Normandy before you went to Cerberus.


But you still have a restart mission-save of the Crucible "mission"


True but my first reaction to seeing i can't save at all during the last mission ( not even in the downtime while saying goodbye to everyone or limping on the citadel ) was that something extremely fishy is going on here.

Edited by Serp86, 10 March 2012 - 01:52 AM.


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I pretend it's just a dream and guardian didn't happen because it is honestly the only way I can replay ME3 again.

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Well in kool-aid continuation:

WHAT IF:

The "one more Shepard story grandpa" turns out to be what happened after Shephard unburies himself from the rubble and mind games?

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FugitiveMind wrote...

Well in kool-aid continuation:

WHAT IF:

The "one more Shepard story grandpa" turns out to be what happened after Shephard unburies himself from the rubble and mind games?


How does he unbury himself from the rubble of the Citadel and ashes of himself?

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Adugan wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

Well in kool-aid continuation:

WHAT IF:

The "one more Shepard story grandpa" turns out to be what happened after Shephard unburies himself from the rubble and mind games?


How does he unbury himself from the rubble of the Citadel and ashes of himself?


If you paid attention to the point of this thread, we're saying none of that stuff happened. The rubble Shepard is coming out of is just rubble from when Harbinger lasered him.

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Y'all are evil, filling me with hope and all.

I would love it if it turns out that the last bit of the game was a hallucination. I think that holding that belief firmly in my mind (the Alar, I suppose hehe) will allow me to play ME again without succumbing to despair.

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Maybe BW pulled a fast one and actually successfully indoctrinated a bunch of us actual gamers by offering two choices that left the reapers alive? Could you imagine? The entire game we are told to destroy the reapers no matter what the cost, and then mystery kid gives us two other options and a bunch of us fail because we compromise? How many people stuck to the plan and destroyed the reapers?

If that's what happened it would be... brilliant. And they could continue their stunning universe, more comics, more games, more of everything.

It's hope, and it was enough to pull me out of my misery.

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Odd Bet wrote...

Y'all are evil, filling me with hope and all.

I would love it if it turns out that the last bit of the game was a hallucination. I think that holding that belief firmly in my mind (the Alar, I suppose hehe) will allow me to play ME again without succumbing to despair.


Yeah, I couldnt even touch the game until I came up with that theory. Now I can play it again. Its nice.

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It's true the kid is in everyone of his dreams so it makes sense

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k8ee wrote...

Maybe BW pulled a fast one and actually successfully indoctrinated a bunch of us actual gamers by offering two choices that left the reapers alive? Could you imagine? The entire game we are told to destroy the reapers no matter what the cost, and then mystery kid gives us two other options and a bunch of us fail because we compromise? How many people stuck to the plan and destroyed the reapers?

If that's what happened it would be... brilliant. And they could continue their stunning universe, more comics, more games, more of everything.

It's hope, and it was enough to pull me out of my misery.


Exactly, like I said earlier, the reason Shepard only pulls out of the hallucination if you choose Destroy is because thats the only one where you keep your resolve. The others you kind of give up.

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Well really, how do you keep an ending from being spoiled?

The script got out and redos had to happen, so how does a dev team extract its vengeance? by giving you an "ending" so people stop looking for the leaks, then you can get the real deal later (has to be quickly later before the masses get above the usual forum uproar level) and it won't have been spoiled.

It'd also make sense as to why you can't save during that end run, it'd mess up the integration. You can use the "locked in" restart mission save, and once unlocked, voila... kittens and rainbows (of death and destruction).

Or maybe i just need to get the vodka out of my kool-aid and go back to watching the X-Files. The truth is out there after all, I just think we've all stopped looking for it.

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M U P P 3 T Z wrote...

DrDetective wrote...

I'm actually starting to think that they might be messing with us...


... or we're all just starting to get to the tip of desperation! hehe

Well, if anything, maybe Bioware might stumble across this and take some inspiration for DLC.


Probably desperation... but if they feel it's warranted to make new endings, that's how to do it by saying the beam knocked him out against one of those flaming tanks. 

Also... your name + avatar is HILARIOUS and matches perfectly. 

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byne wrote...

k8ee wrote...

Maybe BW pulled a fast one and actually successfully indoctrinated a bunch of us actual gamers by offering two choices that left the reapers alive? Could you imagine? The entire game we are told to destroy the reapers no matter what the cost, and then mystery kid gives us two other options and a bunch of us fail because we compromise? How many people stuck to the plan and destroyed the reapers?

If that's what happened it would be... brilliant. And they could continue their stunning universe, more comics, more games, more of everything.

It's hope, and it was enough to pull me out of my misery.


Exactly, like I said earlier, the reason Shepard only pulls out of the hallucination if you choose Destroy is because thats the only one where you keep your resolve. The others you kind of give up.


Never! I always wanted to kick some Reaper ass though it means that the now friendly Geth and EDI were destroyed - but this would have made the whole Rannoch mission a waste of time. So... it is a hallucination :D

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I do hope this was not the 'real' ending they planned for such an excellent franchise! Perhaps they are more like Alenko and are ''leaving themselves a way out."
Tell me there is still hope...tell me there is still choice.....
No matter how slim the odds.


And if not, they have ruined one of the most epic game series I have ever played.

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I'd actually accept the hallucination explanation on the two fronts that matter most: how well it fits and how much it satisfies.

As a writing teacher, I'm awfully wary of the 'and then I woke up' ending. Dream-endings are often cheap finishes without roots in the story.

Here, though, we have a main character who does dream some of the unfolding events and whose mind is repeatedly called into question by associates and teammates. A dream-ending isn't a perfect fit, but it's better than what we have now.

Same on the satisfaction front. The revelation that the final sequences were just a dream isn't ideal, but it's better than what we have. Much better.

And it leaves room for a real, fitting, and fulfilling extra to be released as a DLC - as classy a response as we could wish from Bioware at this point.

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Yeah I was just thinking that maybe Shepard only had a fever dream and in the next dlc/expansion Shepard wokes up in a hospital and everything is explained what really happened and stopped the reapers.. I can only hope..

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of coarse its an imagination. Shepard is in space when he has to make his decision, with no helmet on.

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k8ee wrote...

Maybe BW pulled a fast one and actually successfully indoctrinated a bunch of us actual gamers by offering two choices that left the reapers alive? Could you imagine? The entire game we are told to destroy the reapers no matter what the cost, and then mystery kid gives us two other options and a bunch of us fail because we compromise? How many people stuck to the plan and destroyed the reapers?

If that's what happened it would be... brilliant. And they could continue their stunning universe, more comics, more games, more of everything.

It's hope, and it was enough to pull me out of my misery.


This would be spectacular.

I especially like it because I chose Destroy. Couldn't risk the Reapers coming back with "Control" and Synthesis just seemed wrong, forcibly changing the DNA of all organic life against their will.

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iSpitfireee wrote...

of coarse its an imagination. Shepard is in space when he has to make his decision, with no helmet on.


You got it right!

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CBGB wrote...

I'd actually accept the hallucination explanation on the two fronts that matter most: how well it fits and how much it satisfies.

As a writing teacher, I'm awfully wary of the 'and then I woke up' ending. Dream-endings are often cheap finishes without roots in the story.

Here, though, we have a main character who does dream some of the unfolding events and whose mind is repeatedly called into question by associates and teammates. A dream-ending isn't a perfect fit, but it's better than what we have now.

Same on the satisfaction front. The revelation that the final sequences were just a dream isn't ideal, but it's better than what we have. Much better.

And it leaves room for a real, fitting, and fulfilling extra to be released as a DLC - as classy a response as we could wish from Bioware at this point.


something i never thought of the squad and people on the normandy are always asking how shepards state of mind is repeatedly if he's okay but he's having these nightmares and he's under enormous stress..the galaxy is on his shoulders it could be possiblie like one other person said his squad finished the mission for him but who knows

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The whole Citadel part is kind of shady. When I first played it I thought it was a hallucination and shephard died from Harbinger while running to the beam. Atleast BioWare can easily make a new true ending DLC from the Harbinger encounter onwards.

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iSpitfireee wrote...

of coarse its an imagination. Shepard is in space when he has to make his decision, with no helmet on.


Probably nothiing to do with the quote but when i read that no helmet on, it made me thiink.....after my femshep get hit by the beam, its like she is not wearing ANY armor anymore....

so what? the beam broke all her armor but left her alive, *intact*, man if that beam blew my armor away, i would have been dead too. Im really starting to think that dreaming or hallucination is what is actually happening... Thanks guys, I think I will be able to play my renegade shep now, I'm not gonna get my hope up too much but....this would make sense...