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[Phydeaux314]

Let's hope not.

Edit: Whoa, okay, this thread just hit 300 pages. This is getting alarming.

Modifié par Phydeaux314, 13 mars 2012 - 11:52 .

[MordiMoro]

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

???
does not refer to the attual final? Control/destroy/Sinth ?

[Tashakov]

Tsantilas wrote...

Oh please... *full* indoctrination? What?  Also, it is a lot more likely that the VI was developed after it was already too late to do something about the traitors, rather than "it's indoctrination detection process only works SOMETIMES".  There are no signs in the game that even raise suspicion to the fact that the VI has foolproof detection protocals.  People just need to accept that it's simply bad writing.  If it ends up being explained that Shepard was indoctrinated I will eat my keyboard.

So you believe that Rana Thanoptis, a girl who had just a single passing with a Reaper back in Mass Effect 1, was indoctrinated to the extent of Saren, who had quite literally dug Reaper-tech into his flesh? Indoctrination has levels. That is canon.

Then your reasoning is that a detection protocol for indoctrination was improved and perfected by the remnants of whatever Protheans managed to escape the Reapers, and placed on Thessia? You know, a planet where they could have survived? As opposed to the efforts of the majority of Protheans during the war, where they would be desperately seeking out such tech?

The only option is that it was created towards the end of the Reapers' elimination of that cycle. When Javik states that the Protheans still had problems with traitors.

Modifié par adrianlocke647, 13 mars 2012 - 11:54 .

[JulienJaden]

There was a time limit? Where?

[CptData]

Phydeaux314 wrote...

Let's hope not.

Edit: Whoa, okay, this thread just hit 300 pages. This is getting alarming.

300 pages within 3 days?

Yes, Sir.
We might hit 1000 before end of this month ...

As long as ideas are puring out of our minds, of course.

[SadCommander]

Bigdoser wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

I don't get it what is image showing? 

i would like to know that too. anyone can an explain this?

[Valdaka]

You should have wrote ending for ME3 :innocent: 

[Lambchopz]

MordiMoro wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

???
does not refer to the attual final? Control/destroy/Sinth ?

Seems like those are just names for the values of individual CGI scenes at the end. Probably doesn't mean anything in particular.

It's likely they seperated the ending cinematic into a few different parts and just named them easily identifiable things, but the file names don't neccesarily mean anything.

[mr.surv]

frajerik wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

can you please upload it somewhere else? i cant zoom it

yup

http://postimage.org/image/e4ud9h77p/

[MRedfield]

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

[Darjeer]

Vyrii wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

So how does the game over screen during the final choice fit to the theories about indoctrination / hallucination?

I mean after 5-7 minutes of not choosing any of the endings, you die and get message that The Crucible was destroyed. It would seem that if this really was case of indoctrination, then reapers wouldn't be in any hurry to make Shepard choose.

very interesting point but maybe also just a sign that the real Crucible was destroyed because that was all the time the Reapers needed to destroy it? After all, Hacket and his people bring the Crucible in secretely so the Reapers don't destroy it on the way to the Citadel. 

That was also my first reaction to that, but then I realized that you couldn't die from running out of time if you were still on Citadel part of the ending scene (at least I didn't die, might need someone to confirm this). I'm my mind that kinda points to that you were actually standing in the Crucible when reapers destroyed it.

On the other hand, this depends a lot on what would be the start of hallucination. If the hallucination starts after the TIM scene, then your explanation might be true. If the hallucination starts right after the laser, then I find this kinda odd, because why would the Crucible even be on our system if nobody hasn't made it to the Citadel yet?

You could also turn this completely around and say that the Reapers WANTED Shepard on the Crucible to destroy them.  That's why the time limit is there, indoctrination or not the Reapers don't want Shepard alive.  It would be a simple thing to get them on the Crucible and simply destroy it.

They could think that Shepard standing around for minutes on end could simply be an indescision instead of the "correct" decision (control/merge) and decide to off Shepard when they have the chance.

I could see that happening. Also that would kinda cancel the whole "control / synthesis is Shepard being completely indoctrinated and destroy breaks you free of it" theory, because wouldn't that prove that everything that happens in the end is real and not dream?

[H3xTech]

Tsantilas wrote...

There is zero evidence supporting an indoctrination theory. It could be a dream I suppose, but indoctrination? Please. The Prothian VI specifically mentions that Shepard is not indoctrinated. Not to mention that Indoctrination implies that the reaper child is stupid enough to give Shepard a way out by giving him the Destroy/wake up option.

It could be a dream/hallucination but that makes no sense from a storytelling standpoint and still makes a pretty terrible ending. Besides, what exactly does it being a dream accomplish? Are you guys all expecting Bioware to release a patch saying "you've been punked, here's what really happens at the end"? Because really, that's just taking denial and naivety to a whole new level.

Zero? Indoctrination doesn't happen in a moment, so at the time when Shepard was at the Prothean VI it wasn't finished. All happening at the end points Shepard is being indoctrinated. The Catalyst having a child's form from Shepards dreams trying to persuade him/her to give in to the reapers, and making clear destroying is the worst choice, and the peace won't last.

TIM wanted control, Saren wanted synthesis, and Shepard have been wanting to destroy all the time. And most importantly only chosing to destroy shows Shepard to wake up at the earth, as he/she resisted the indoctrination.

[CptData]

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

Doubt so.

Sometimes developers create multiple variants of the same scene and give 'em numbers. In the end, they simply pick the one fitting best - and don't change the numbers.

Saw that before and it's how I work too.

[catgirl789]

DangerSandler wrote...

 "Cerberus must have been tipped off. They got here too fast" - Garrus
"Every war has it's traitors." - Liara.
I find that that little point never got resolved, I mean, is it possible that Shepard could have been subconciously feeding TIM/ The Reapers info? All of our thoughts fit the theory of indoctrination, but lack necessary evidence to prove it. It's maddening. 

Hey guys, not sure if this contributes in any way, but when you're first having a council with the krogans, turians, and salarians there is a little camera like angle that has that dark oiliness to it or at the very least looks kind of like in ME2 when the collector's are watching the Normandy. Perhaps that's when Cerberus found out about the female krogan? 

I really want this theory to be true, but we might have to accept that Bioware had a much different vision for the ending than we had.

[mr.surv]

As far as I check files, it seems that "colour endings" are the only end related files.
I wanted to check if theres any files hidden and will be activated via patch or smth.

[JulienJaden]

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

But this is supposed to be the full release. If Bioware was planning this from the start to upset us and make us show just how invested we are, alright, but anything else than adding the other endings through a free patch would still be absolutely unacceptable, not to say illegal, since we, as paying customers, are entitled to a full product, cause that's what we payed for and we were under the impression that that's what we were in for.

[Rifneno]

Hmm. I just noticed a possible Chekhov's Gun. If you talk to Eve and ask about how she became a shaman and survived the trial, she gives you a shard and says "Take it as a reminder that even in the darkest hour, there is always a way out."
Does that thing ever find some use that I don't know about?

[frajerik]

mr.surv wrote...

frajerik wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

can you please upload it somewhere else? i cant zoom it

yup

http://postimage.org/image/e4ud9h77p/

Is that pic from ME3 files? I see there something like collector and omghub could mean omega relay or something. also there is ME2 file of some sort. if this is from ME2 then reaper fall etc could be the scene with human reaper.

[Spectre-61]

Bigdoser wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

I don't get it what is image showing? 

EndGm2_100Huddle01Nor
EndGm2_300_huddle03
EndGm2_Escape
EndGm2_ReaperFall
EndGm2_ReaperRise
EndGm2_RepearDeath
EndGm3_Flyby

[TomY90]

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. I just noticed a possible Chekhov's Gun. If you talk to Eve and ask about how she became a shaman and survived the trial, she gives you a shard and says "Take it as a reminder that even in the darkest hour, there is always a way out."
Does that thing ever find some use that I don't know about?

just sentiment value I believe.

[mr.surv]

CptData wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

Doubt so.

Sometimes developers create multiple variants of the same scene and give 'em numbers. In the end, they simply pick the one fitting best - and don't change the numbers.

Saw that before and it's how I work too.

nope. EndGm1 files are also there.
http://imageupload.o...99/end.jpg.html

[Vyrii]

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

I would also like to point out that these are only under skipable movies, would they make the real ending skipable?

There are some cinematics that aren't skipable in the beggining, it would be safe to say that there would be some at the end also.

Howveer this images points out a certain fact, the "real" ending is NOT on disc.  So far, it looks like it will indeed be DLC that will introduce it.

Does anyone know the program to open up those files?  I would like to take a look myself and see what I can find in the realm of endings.

[thePredator50]

JulienJaden wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

But this is supposed to be the full release. If Bioware was planning this from the start to upset us and make us show just how invested we are, alright, but anything else than adding the other endings through a free patch would still be absolutely unacceptable, not to say illegal, since we, as paying customers, are entitled to a full product, cause that's what we payed for and we were under the impression that that's what we were in for.

I can't even begin explaining how wrong you are about the legal thing.

[soull2]

DangerSandler wrote...

 "Cerberus must have been tipped off. They got here too fast" - Garrus
"Every war has it's traitors." - Liara.
I find that that little point never got resolved, I mean, is it possible that Shepard could have been subconciously feeding TIM/ The Reapers info? All of our thoughts fit the theory of indoctrination, but lack necessary evidence to prove it. It's maddening. 

That would explain why he wasn't in such a big hurry to kill her/him.

Modifié par soull2, 13 mars 2012 - 12:04 .

[Tsantilas]

adrianlocke647 wrote...
So you believe that Rana Thanoptis, a girl who had just a single passing with a Reaper back in Mass Effect 1, was indoctrinated to the extent of Saren, who had quite literally dug Reaper-tech into his flesh? Indoctrination has levels. That is canon.

Then your reasoning is that a detection protocol for indoctrination was improved and perfected by the remnants of whatever Protheans managed to escape the Reapers, and placed on Thessia? You know, a planet where they could have survived? As opposed to the efforts of the majority of Protheans during the war, where they would be desperately seeking out such tech?

The only option is that it was created towards the end of the Reapers' elimination of that cycle. When Javik states that the Protheans still had problems with traitors.

Shepard could have been indoctrinated during any of the 3 games considering his amount of contact with reapers.  It makes no sense to have him indoctrinated during the ending sequence of the last game.  Really what it comes down to is people are nitpicking every little detail trying to find proof that it doesn't just come down to bad writing.  "oh but shepard is wearing different clothes!" Um... he was hit by a giant laser and his armor was pretty much destroyed... did you expect bioware to create a damaged version of every individual piece of armor in the game just for the ending sequence?  I mean really, examining cutscenes from every single angle looking for some kind of minor detail is taking it a bit far.  There are no facts, just theories and wishfull thinking.  Will you be satisfied if Bioware releases dlc saying "lol just kidding it was a dream"?