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[Vyrii]

thePredator50 wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

But this is supposed to be the full release. If Bioware was planning this from the start to upset us and make us show just how invested we are, alright, but anything else than adding the other endings through a free patch would still be absolutely unacceptable, not to say illegal, since we, as paying customers, are entitled to a full product, cause that's what we payed for and we were under the impression that that's what we were in for.

I can't even begin explaining how wrong you are about the legal thing.

With the cinematics as they are right now, we HAVE a full product.  
It's not the one we want, but LEGALLY it's a full product.

[Leiha]

Dang, page 300! I wonder if we'll hear anything from BioWare/EA soon.

[Icinix]

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. I just noticed a possible Chekhov's Gun. If you talk to Eve and ask about how she became a shaman and survived the trial, she gives you a shard and says "Take it as a reminder that even in the darkest hour, there is always a way out."
Does that thing ever find some use that I don't know about?

No - but depending on how much you read into things and interpret things - there is a lot of subtle hinting going on that there is more going on that what we think we're getting.

E.g (And this is a stretch - but like I said - how much you read into things) - At one stage the squad comments on Reaper tech because of the cabling on the ground....that same cabling that is running around the Normandy...

Also - is there anyone who didn't buy the auto-fish feeder? Maybe thats an indoctrination device 

[MordiMoro]

My brother works at gamestop (italy): from yesterday, many players disappointed by the final are resell ME3 ... 

Modifié par MordiMoro, 13 mars 2012 - 12:05 .

[CptData]

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. I just noticed a possible Chekhov's Gun. If you talk to Eve and ask about how she became a shaman and survived the trial, she gives you a shard and says "Take it as a reminder that even in the darkest hour, there is always a way out."
Does that thing ever find some use that I don't know about?

Didn't see it so far.
It's not like Frodo's glas full of light

Modifié par CptData, 13 mars 2012 - 12:02 .

[Icinix]

mr.surv wrote...

CptData wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

Doubt so.

Sometimes developers create multiple variants of the same scene and give 'em numbers. In the end, they simply pick the one fitting best - and don't change the numbers.

Saw that before and it's how I work too.

nope. EndGm1 files are also there.
http://imageupload.o...99/end.jpg.html

Looks like the EndGm1 is just the landing / early stages of the invasion and EndGm2 is after the Citadel.

[Tashakov]

Tsantilas wrote...

Shepard could have been indoctrinated during any of the 3 games considering his amount of contact with reapers.  It makes no sense to have him indoctrinated during the ending sequence of the last game. 

First time Shepard has ever had direct exposure to Harbinger, who has a near-fetish for Shepard, if you consider Arrival and Mass Effect 2.

And is it really worse to have a bit of fun speculating than to just say "lol bad writing"?

[Goddy10]

http://au.xbox360.ig.../1220617p1.html

Looks like the first bit of DLC will in fact be Multiplayer related.

[twister87]

Wow, ok, so this thread has reached 300 pages. Impressive.

I just wanted to go back to the original topic and the now very LONG post about interpretations of the end, as I was referred to this thread by a friend to read into the endings a bit further, and this is what I posted on our discussion board for our group:

Hmm, that's all very well and good to interpret it for yourself - and I'm certainly not thumbing my nose at the concept here, I really enjoy being able to do that in films in particular - but I really think there is a bit TOO much for us to fill in here with this theory. Now that someone has, it sounds like it has potential as an acceptable finish, but I really think that we should've been guided in that direction just a little bit more. All the vitriol that the endings have been submerged into by the vocal forumites doesn't come from nowhere.

Think of a film like Inception for example (I apologise in advance if anyone hasn't seen it; if you haven't, I'd stop reading now if I were you). The end of the film appears to create a fairly simple, 2-sided choice in what happens to Cobb at the end: is he back or is he still dreaming? Which is actually ridiculously simple. However, after you choose between the two, you're left with being able to justify that answer - if he is back in the real world, then why don't we see the top fall over? If he is still dreaming, how can you tell otherwise, and how long has that dream been going for?

In my mind, that's much better writing, because we are given a clear choice. There is still much left open to interpretation, but the questions those interpretations ask are interesting and not at all confusing. In the case of ME3, we are given 3 choices, and they seem all fairly straight forward, but after we make that choice, we are given a series of highly confusing (and quite samey) cut scenes with various squad mates on board a crashed Normandy after falling out of an FTL relay jump. That was highly unnecessary and added nothing to the end. I find it hard to fit that part in to the explanation offered by the thread.

Also, the fact that most people are not finding this explanation is a real problem. I did not think of it that way, and I'm betting a very large percentage of other players didn't either - it was left to a very philosophical and intelligent forumite to explain that for us. Which draws me around full circle - now that I've read it, it mostly makes sense and I can go along with it, but I would've liked to be able to see that in the first place from the game, without having to refer to the game's forum and find another player's interpretation.

As a small footnote (following this explanation), isn't it a bit strange that a game that's all about choice, variation and directing your own destiny, actually now boils down to ONE SINGLE choice? I mean, the choices at face value are hardly different at all but yeah, just an observation.

TL;DR: This explanation is fine and dandy now that I've read it, but I would've liked to have gotten there by myself with just the game's help.

[mr.surv]

Vyrii wrote...

MRedfield wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

http://imageshack.us.../834/4534n.jpg/

different endings

Interesting.

They're all titled "EndGm2", with only "Flyby" being "EndGm3". Where are the "EndGm1" files?

This would imply that the videos we see are indeed a seconday, alternate ending. Perhaps the "EndGm/EndGm1" files are the proper ending(s) that are hidden until full release?

I would also like to point out that these are only under skipable movies, would they make the real ending skipable?

There are some cinematics that aren't skipable in the beggining, it would be safe to say that there would be some at the end also.

Howveer this images points out a certain fact, the "real" ending is NOT on disc.  So far, it looks like it will indeed be DLC that will introduce it.

Does anyone know the program to open up those files?  I would like to take a look myself and see what I can find in the realm of endings.

It's ME coalsceed utility.


All level in the game have short name.

there are files starting with "gth" = geth missions or "proear" = first lvl when we escape earth , or "promar" = mars

[Tashakov]

Goddy10 wrote...

http://au.xbox360.ig.../1220617p1.html

Looks like the first bit of DLC will in fact be Multiplayer related.

One of those is an Asari Justicar, which is a specialization of one of the biotic classes. Both of which the Asari currently has a class in.

Best guess says that is pre-release, and while Geth and Batarians are quite possible, I would hardly say it'll be the first. Still, always a chance.

[Vyrii]

Icinix wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Hmm. I just noticed a possible Chekhov's Gun. If you talk to Eve and ask about how she became a shaman and survived the trial, she gives you a shard and says "Take it as a reminder that even in the darkest hour, there is always a way out."
Does that thing ever find some use that I don't know about?

No - but depending on how much you read into things and interpret things - there is a lot of subtle hinting going on that there is more going on that what we think we're getting.

E.g (And this is a stretch - but like I said - how much you read into things) - At one stage the squad comments on Reaper tech because of the cabling on the ground....that same cabling that is running around the Normandy...

Also - is there anyone who didn't buy the auto-fish feeder? Maybe thats an indoctrination device 

That's it! We've solved the indoctrination device!
Lol, that would be too perfect though, I know as soon as I saw it I bought it.

[Vyrii]

Darjeer wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

J4N3_M3 wrote...

Darjeer wrote...

So how does the game over screen during the final choice fit to the theories about indoctrination / hallucination?

I mean after 5-7 minutes of not choosing any of the endings, you die and get message that The Crucible was destroyed. It would seem that if this really was case of indoctrination, then reapers wouldn't be in any hurry to make Shepard choose.

very interesting point but maybe also just a sign that the real Crucible was destroyed because that was all the time the Reapers needed to destroy it? After all, Hacket and his people bring the Crucible in secretely so the Reapers don't destroy it on the way to the Citadel. 

That was also my first reaction to that, but then I realized that you couldn't die from running out of time if you were still on Citadel part of the ending scene (at least I didn't die, might need someone to confirm this). I'm my mind that kinda points to that you were actually standing in the Crucible when reapers destroyed it.

On the other hand, this depends a lot on what would be the start of hallucination. If the hallucination starts after the TIM scene, then your explanation might be true. If the hallucination starts right after the laser, then I find this kinda odd, because why would the Crucible even be on our system if nobody hasn't made it to the Citadel yet?

You could also turn this completely around and say that the Reapers WANTED Shepard on the Crucible to destroy them.  That's why the time limit is there, indoctrination or not the Reapers don't want Shepard alive.  It would be a simple thing to get them on the Crucible and simply destroy it.

They could think that Shepard standing around for minutes on end could simply be an indescision instead of the "correct" decision (control/merge) and decide to off Shepard when they have the chance.

I could see that happening. Also that would kinda cancel the whole "control / synthesis is Shepard being completely indoctrinated and destroy breaks you free of it" theory, because wouldn't that prove that everything that happens in the end is real and not dream?

Yes, that is true.  It would count as a physical presence on the crucible.
I believe that someone mentioned earlier that the catalyst is actually Shepard's mind.  That that for what you will.

[Wuyunk]

Goddy10 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

adrianlocke647 wrote...

Again.

It is Prothean.
Protheans had problems with indoctrination too.
Mainly, traitors like Cerberus.

Now, how do you have a traitor if you knew who they were all along?

The VI, in all likely cases, can only detect *full* indoctrination, like Kai Leng, who is serving the Reapers directly through TIM.
Otherwise, Javik's cycle WOULD NEVER HAVE HAD ANY PROBLEMS FINDING THE TRAITORS.

Oh please... *full* indoctrination? What?

Obvious troll is obvious. Do you not pay attention to the lore of the game? Or are you one of those shooter dribblers that "Action Mode" was made for?

QFT, I couldn't be assed to actually answer him.

[seitani]

Man i would like to hear what gamble and hudson are thinking right now.

[Vyrii]

mr.surv wrote...


It's ME coalsceed utility.


All level in the game have short name.

there are files starting with "gth" = geth missions or "proear" = first lvl when we escape earth , or "promar" = mars

Thanks, and hey! we joined the same day

Modifié par Vyrii, 13 mars 2012 - 12:12 .

[CptData]

Goddy10 wrote...

http://au.xbox360.ig.../1220617p1.html

Looks like the first bit of DLC will in fact be Multiplayer related.

MP-DLCs can be cluttered together within few weeks. You just need some maps and maybe some extra content that can be created quite quickly.

Story-DLCs on the other hand need a lot of time to develop. I don't expect any Story-DLC before June/July and even then it's just a small one ...

[VyRianS]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

I would love this as well. But don't forget BW is now run financially by EA, so all release/DLC decisions are made by EA. It is highly unlikely they would do something like this... it is financially unsound for the company. The only feasible course of action now would be that BW realizes their screwup, and issues an ending DLC, apologizing for the error OR saying this was the way they wanted it all along (which would be rubbish).

[MordiMoro]

@Kasey Hudson Twitter: Lots of great feedback coming in on #MassEffect3 - keep it coming! We listen to it all.

mah...

Modifié par MordiMoro, 13 mars 2012 - 12:13 .

[Lambchopz]

adrianlocke647 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Shepard could have been indoctrinated during any of the 3 games considering his amount of contact with reapers.  It makes no sense to have him indoctrinated during the ending sequence of the last game. 

First time Shepard has ever had direct exposure to Harbinger, who has a near-fetish for Shepard, if you consider Arrival and Mass Effect 2.

And is it really worse to have a bit of fun speculating than to just say "lol bad writing"?

This is where I'm at right now. At least speculating is giving people something relatively entertaining to do instead of moping around about how bad the ending is. Some people have even started extra playthroughs because of this stuff.

Anyways, even if they don't do it, it doesn't really bother me that much. I'll just continue to headcanon what REALLY happened.

[piezor]

My theory:

Everything since Harbringer hitting Shepard with the laser, is Harbringer trying to indoctinate Shepard. After this Shepard still walks into the conduit, but has hallucinations along the way, at this point when he reaches the control pannel Anderson represents Shepard's old self of trying to destroy the Reapers.
The Illusive man is Shepard's projection of Harbringer's first attempt of trying to get hold of Shepard.
Shepard convinces the illusive man that control is not the right option even after he kills Shepards good voice or Anderson trying to say otherwise.
Shepard then recives a message from Hacket asking what is happening, he trys to fight to the controls but then completely looses hold of reality.
Now im guessing Shepard doesnt physically move anywhere from here on and is met with the Harbinger's second attempt at indoctrination.
Shepard's mind/Harbringer's indoctrination presents him with three options(Shepard is not aware it is just a matter of pressing the button).
Harbringer(the boy) trys his best to convince that the right side is bad (if you look in the codex for indoctrination it lists similar examples)and left side is good but truely it is the other way around.
It is shown by the Illusive man on the left side and Anderson on the right side.
If the middle was given a person to represent it, im guessing it would be
Saren. But both Saren and the Illusive man fell to indoctrination in which Anderson didn't.
So if you choose the right side you are breaking free of the indoctrination, and activating the Citadel from the controls and finally destroying the Reapers.
The rest I haven't figured out.

Evidience:

1. After shepard wakes up from getting lasered they dont recall anyone else making it to the conduit(anderson or the illusive man didnt make it in).
Another thing bioware wouldn't let be a mistake.
2. Shepard is in space and breathing from the bit where he gets lifted into the roof.
3. The boy is only in Shepards mind if they got it out of his mind, further proof of indoctrination.
4. The renagade/paragon colours are specifically wrong? Bioware would definately not make this mistake.
5. Notice hacket talks to Shepard but not Anderson, he is also the one with clear radio contact with Shepard yet missed the call that nowon else made it to the conduit.
6. After choosing control the boy Smirks at you, but destruction the boy instantly disapears.
7. Anderson claims he walked in behind you yet is there majorly first.
8. The Illusive man comes out of nowhere.
9. If Shepard remained on the ground he wouldn't have been able to activate the Citadel and there would be no point in Harbringer so desperately trying to indoctrinate Shepard.

Modifié par piezor, 13 mars 2012 - 12:15 .

[Wuyunk]

Going along with this theory, I don't know how I'm ever going to pick either of the other 2 options lol. It doesn't matter what type of character they are, be it paragon or renegade... none of them are stupid! >_<

[J4N3_M3]

so I guess we gotta find out what exactly the Crucible is and what exactly it does! Because as long as those two questions go unanswered we have no idea HOW Shepard actually destroyed the Reapers.

[Evil_medved]

This is our last hope for ME universe. And its vague at best.

Sigh, I'll take anything i can though, this is not time to be picky.

[Vyrii]

VyRianS wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Jesus H Christ...

It just occurred to me.

What if this theory is absolutely correct...

And Bioware, not wanting to risk another leak of their ending has chosen instead to make it to where the ending is not part of the original game... until a patch comes in when it is available in every region?

Think about it, they radically changed the game from the leaked scripts, why didn't they change things when THE ENDING VIDEOS themselves were leaked? Why did they give a statement saying "yup, those are pretty much it."

Otherwise, why the silence, if they aren't planning something? Why the fact that they have barely let out any info, beyond cryptic hints of "Just wait and see, can't comment yet."

It might be wishful thinking, but right now, I believe that Bioware has the entire ending all set up and ready... to be released in a patch when the game itself has reached maximum saturation.

It's like a magic show, the magician seems competent up until the end, when suddenly he starts failing, badly, and then, at the last moment, to the entire audience's suprise, he pulls off his biggest trick yet, to roaring applause.

I would love this as well. But don't forget BW is now run financially by EA, so all release/DLC decisions are made by EA. It is highly unlikely they would do something like this... it is financially unsound for the company. The only feasible course of action now would be that BW realizes their screwup, and issues an ending DLC, apologizing for the error OR saying this was the way they wanted it all along (which would be rubbish).

I'd take either of those over not having a new ending at all.
Rubbush or not.

CptData wrote...

MP-DLCs can be cluttered together within few weeks. You just need some
maps and maybe some extra content that can be created quite quickly.

Story-DLCs
on the other hand need a lot of time to develop. I don't expect any
Story-DLC before June/July and even then it's just a small one ...

Thank you I'm in school for animation right now and when people say "Oh you can just whip together a new ending in no time!"  I start grinding my teeth.
It takes an AMAZING ammount of time to do anything cinematic worthy.  They're lucky the used ingame models and such for the movies. Not to mention dialogue, calling in the voice actors, modeling and texturing (if there's anything new)  rigging, all the actual animation process, the coding that would be involved to come up with specific end game variables to reach certain endings.....

It would NOT be a short process.  It will be awhile before we hear anything from Bioware concerning endings if they didn't intend on these to be final.