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[Miss Vader]

VyRianS wrote...

By the way... if you guys haven't seen:



Hold the line people.

Awesome vid! Keep it up people, we are going to make a difference

[Wuyunk]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

Fun fact - you can't skip the growls heard when you first meet the kid in the destroyed building on earth.

Growls?  What growls?  Video?

I'm also interested in this, because I know from the books the reapers made a similar noise when they knew Grayson wasn't fully under the effects. But I never heard the growls myself, or maybe I just wasn't listening for them.

Are you sure it wasn't coming from the tons of Reapers in Vancouver at the time?

Woah, wait. The book(s) do mention that the Reapers growl? Or make a noise similar to it?

Yeah they growl, and after just listening to the link provided It could well be whats happening so they people with more insight into the lore might pick up on it, but others just think its just because of the vent shaft.

At any other time I'd just say its most likely the shaft, but that kid is creepy throughout the entire game, all the way to the end. He disappears in the split second and its never mentioned to Anderson and Anderson never asks what he's doing.

Then again, I do love a good conspiracy theory lol, but you really don't have to force this one to make it fit, it actually makes sense of everything that doesn't make sense. And I don't believe after almost a decade of making these games then forget how to make it for the last 10 mins.

It would be interesting to see if someone can pull up the same kid section in the vent from the E3 demo last year, and see if the growling is still there. I would be surprised if it was leaving maybe people to pick up on a year before release.

[Vyrii]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Abdul_777 wrote...

What if the end with the Normandy is actually the ending,its just that Shep is gonna walk out the door with the rest of the crew or (s)he is still in the medbay after taking that laz0rbeam to the face?? they just simply cut the rest of the video.Would also explain why Liara (my LI and squadmate during the teleportrush) has a smile on her face.Im not sure if smiling was uhm "appropriate" reaction to losing 3/4 of the galactic civilization and being stuck on a deserted planet.

No kidding, I'd like to say at this point that I'm prety good with Turian facial expressions and Garrus looked.... content.
Which is LAME considering that I just DIED.
>
I mean, I WANT Garrus to be happy- but geeze!
Also- I just posted a PM I got with a few links that could explain this.  Check it out http://social.biowar...423/304#9865121

He's content 'cause now him and Tali can get it on.

NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO D:
D: Noooononononono!!!
*cries*

[Wallace West]

justie wrote...

I want closure also, but this seems a little to far fetched for me to believe. The endings sucked. Theres nothing else to it.

Go post in a non-theory divising, conspiracy ridden forum then. You don't have to rain on our parade if we choose to be delusional

[kyrieee]

VonJedi1 wrote...

In re: to the growl.



I would agree that the sounds made are unlike the normal Reaper sound. Listening for it now, it actually sounds really creepy. It happens twice, once as Anderson calls to Shepard, and the other as he looks back.

I did find it odd that Anderson wouldn't ask what was there or what he was doing but completely blaze over the fact that a kid was there. The way Anderson says it is if Shepard is just standing there doing nothing in daze.

Doesn't it kind of sound like a distortion from the ventilation shaft?
They make things sound really metallic

[njfluffy19]

Wuyunk wrote...

Yeah they growl, and after just listening to the link provided It could well be whats happening so they people with more insight into the lore might pick up on it, but others just think its just because of the vent shaft.

At any other time I'd just say its most likely the shaft, but that kid is creepy throughout the entire game, all the way to the end. He disappears in the split second and its never mentioned to Anderson and Anderson never asks what he's doing.

Then again, I do love a good conspiracy theory lol, but you really don't have to force this one to make it fit, it actually makes sense of everything that doesn't make sense. And I don't believe after almost a decade of making these games then forget how to make it for the last 10 mins.

It would be interesting to see if someone can pull up the same kid section in the vent from the E3 demo last year, and see if the growling is still there. I would be surprised if it was leaving maybe people to pick up on a year before release.

If the growls were just from the vent, why are they specifically when Anderson calls to you, and when you look away? Also, right before when you reach to grab him, there's a Reaper walking by and it makes no such noise. I mean, we could be reaching, but that growl sounds ominous.

Modifié par njfluffy19, 13 mars 2012 - 01:21 .

[Prince Keldar]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

Abdul_777 wrote...

What if the end with the Normandy is actually the ending,its just that Shep is gonna walk out the door with the rest of the crew or (s)he is still in the medbay after taking that laz0rbeam to the face?? they just simply cut the rest of the video.Would also explain why Liara (my LI and squadmate during the teleportrush) has a smile on her face.Im not sure if smiling was uhm "appropriate" reaction to losing 3/4 of the galactic civilization and being stuck on a deserted planet.

No kidding, I'd like to say at this point that I'm prety good with Turian facial expressions and Garrus looked.... content.
Which is LAME considering that I just DIED.
>
I mean, I WANT Garrus to be happy- but geeze!
Also- I just posted a PM I got with a few links that could explain this.  Check it out http://social.biowar...423/304#9865121

He's content 'cause now him and Tali can get it on.

don't say that! not even joking!! lol Tali is with Shepard Damn it!!!! haha

[AllThatJazz]

Elanor1 wrote...

Bigdoser wrote...

VyRianS wrote...

I'm not sure if these points have been mentioned before:

1) Most of the theories here have mentioned that the destroy option conduit (which was definitely Paragon story-wise), was bathed in RED (which is Renegade) and vice versa for the Control option circuit. After the starchild shows Shepard the options, Shepard immediately visualizes Anderson destroying the conduit, and the Illusive Man grasping the circuit, which is suspicious, given the colors the options were shown in. So here we have Anderson, who is a staunch 'Destroy' proponent and Shepard's ally, taking part in the RED choice. I was wondering, could this be Shepard's subconsciousness trying to take a last stand against the indoctrination?

2) For most pure Paragon Shepards, the very last Paragon choice (convincing TIM) is still greyed out. Is this deliberate move an attempt to show us the depth/'completeness' of the indoctrination? If someone is indoctrinated, doing something that is central to the original consciousness of the character must have been exceedingly difficult, thus the greyed out Paragon choice.

There are other concerns of course, which include the part were shooting TIM is shown as a Renegade choice instead of Paragon (being Anderson's savior).

Do forgive me if these points have been reiterated; there are more than 300 pages of posts in this thread and I didn't read them all.

To unlock the last intimidate/charm option at the end with TIM you have to use the charm/intimidate option on him while talking to him on mars, thessia and the cerb base. 

I've done that. I think that convincing TIM to shoot himself isn't really creative. We have the same situation with Saren. <_< They can do better than that.

If the end is a hallucination/indoctrination dream, then maybe the parallel is deliberate. When you convince TIM to kill himself, you're supposed to think 'hey, I've done this before ... something's not right here ...'

Just maybe? 

[Getorex]

Capeo wrote...

VyRianS wrote...

I'm not sure if these points have been mentioned before:

1) Most of the theories here have mentioned that the destroy option conduit (which was definitely Paragon story-wise), was bathed in RED (which is Renegade) and vice versa for the Control option circuit. After the starchild shows Shepard the options, Shepard immediately visualizes Anderson destroying the conduit, and the Illusive Man grasping the circuit, which is suspicious, given the colors the options were shown in. So here we have Anderson, who is a staunch 'Destroy' proponent and Shepard's ally, taking part in the RED choice. I was wondering, could this be Shepard's subconsciousness trying to take a last stand against the indoctrination?

2) For most pure Paragon Shepards, the very last Paragon choice (convincing TIM) is still greyed out. Is this deliberate move an attempt to show us the depth/'completeness' of the indoctrination? If someone is indoctrinated, doing something that is central to the original consciousness of the character must have been exceedingly difficult, thus the greyed out Paragon choice.

There are other concerns of course, which include the part were shooting TIM is shown as a Renegade choice instead of Paragon (being Anderson's savior).

Do forgive me if these points have been reiterated; there are more than 300 pages of posts in this thread and I didn't read them all.

In  my playthroughs I was able to talk TIM into killing himself using both a Para and a Reg option.  Didn't have to do an interrupt of any kind.

The hints in the game and a clear and unambiguous conclusion are impossible due to the background noise of bad editing, dialog, and graphics glitches here and there.  They make up a background noise through which you are supposed to be able to pick out subtleties to come to a firm conclusion.  The signal to noise ratio is too low for unambiguous conclusion.  However, i do see that Bioware was trying to do something fairly sophisticated here but the actual followthrough was flawed.  In the end I think it was an experiment that failed.  It is the joke that falls flat so that you then have to explain he punchline.  You cannot rescue the joke at that point, it is done for, and so is the game.  Coming back and having to explain the ending (ambiguous and totally unsatisfying and resolving absolutely nothing at all) is too late and a clear sign of a failure.  They tried something new and didn't pull it off.  I'm sad to see it done to the ME universe however.  Easily the best games I've played that managed to get me personally invested in the characters and to think about the whole thing out of game...and now it comes to an ignoble end.

Bioware:  drop the movie.  It cannot work better than the game given the way it has ended.  Sorry to say this because ME1 is a fantastic story, paced well, introducing a rich and deep universe.  ME2 pulled back in disjointed fashion but was still pretty good.  ME3 started strong but then...it became the joke that needs its punchline explained.  I feel deflated.  I'm not even sure I can bring myself to play through a second time OR even play the multiplayer.  There's a bad taste (tastes like ass) in my mouth now.

Modifié par Getorex, 13 mars 2012 - 01:27 .

[njfluffy19]

Vyrii wrote...



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO D:
D: Noooononononono!!!
*cries*

There, there. We'll come back from the dead and punch them both in the gut!

[Vyrii]

Wuyunk wrote...

Terraforming2154 wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

thePredator50 wrote...

Fun fact - you can't skip the growls heard when you first meet the kid in the destroyed building on earth.

Growls?  What growls?  Video?

I'm also interested in this, because I know from the books the reapers made a similar noise when they knew Grayson wasn't fully under the effects. But I never heard the growls myself, or maybe I just wasn't listening for them.

Are you sure it wasn't coming from the tons of Reapers in Vancouver at the time?

Woah, wait. The book(s) do mention that the Reapers growl? Or make a noise similar to it?

Yeah they growl, and after just listening to the link provided It could well be whats happening so they people with more insight into the lore might pick up on it, but others just think its just because of the vent shaft.

At any other time I'd just say its most likely the shaft, but that kid is creepy throughout the entire game, all the way to the end. He disappears in the split second and its never mentioned to Anderson and Anderson never asks what he's doing.

Then again, I do love a good conspiracy theory lol, but you really don't have to force this one to make it fit, it actually makes sense of everything that doesn't make sense. And I don't believe after almost a decade of making these games then forget how to make it for the last 10 mins.

It would be interesting to see if someone can pull up the same kid section in the vent from the E3 demo last year, and see if the growling is still there. I would be surprised if it was leaving maybe people to pick up on a year before release.

On my first (well second since I playe dthe demo) I didn't really think anything of the growling.  It skipped my mind.
I never read the books, so I don't have a great grasp on the lore, but WOW.  Are there any other instances of this growling in the game?  It was VERY obvious for me the third time around, and really stands out.  Doesn't sound like the vent, you can clearly hear the vent when the kid moves back.

[njfluffy19]

Prince Keldar wrote...

don't say that! not even joking!! lol Tali is with Shepard Damn it!!!! haha

Lol! I know, I know. I don't like the Tali/Garrus pairing because I feel like it doesn't fit. That's probably just 'cause I am a Garrus fangirl.

[Vyrii]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Vyrii wrote...



NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO D:
D: Noooononononono!!!
*cries*

There, there. We'll come back from the dead and punch them both in the gut!

*puts on her shiny boots*
YEAH!  Tali is with Shepard and Garrus is with Shepard!
Wait... I might see the problem there... hmmmm

[VonJedi1]

kyrieee wrote...

VonJedi1 wrote...

In re: to the growl.



I would agree that the sounds made are unlike the normal Reaper sound. Listening for it now, it actually sounds really creepy. It happens twice, once as Anderson calls to Shepard, and the other as he looks back.

I did find it odd that Anderson wouldn't ask what was there or what he was doing but completely blaze over the fact that a kid was there. The way Anderson says it is if Shepard is just standing there doing nothing in daze.

Doesn't it kind of sound like a distortion from the ventilation shaft?
They make things sound really metallic

A ventilation shaft would cause resonance and some reverb, it wouldn't change the sound completely. Every reaper sound is completely robotic and electronic, that growl though, was so different and you could feel it was pissed off, like it had almost got what it wanted, not to mention the timing. A lot of these theories are lining up to well for it to all be coincidence.

[draken-heart]

anyone mention Joker leaving and the fact that our favorite flight Lieutenant said himself that he would follow Shepard anywhere, except to bed with him/her?

[Noob451]

 so i wake up and see that twitter link, such a damn tease.....

[Little Lummo]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Been thinking about this too. I cleared the game yesterday.

I'm not sure if it's been mentioned yet, but I'd like to draw your attention to specific points in the videos below:

Kid dream sequence

Go to around 7:47. Listen to the sounds. In particular, the wind. Then, listen to the music around 8:20.

Approaching the conduit

Go to around 16:02. Doesn't the wind and such familiar? I know, I know, it's wind... but still. Even when Shepard gets 'hit' or 'knocked out', the tune sounds similar to the one in the dream sequence with the kid, as the next scene loads. Not exactly the same, but similar.

Talking with the Illusive Man

Go to around 4:21. As Shepard's actions are being controlled, that is one heck of a strange noise. Possibly fits in with noises mentioned in the Indoctrination codex entry? Either way, it's one heck of a funny noise. Note that Shepard also seems to be suffering from bad headaches as he is being controlled. The headaches are definitely referenced in the codex entry anyway and they were mentioned in ME 2. Also, Anderson and the Illusive Man, if the theory is correct, would represent two diferent parts of Shepard's conscience. One fighting the effects of succumbing and one wanting to succumb.

Talking with the 'child'

Finally, go to around 3:21. Now then, all of the above I can chalk up to me reading too much into things, quite possibly. However, the child's words around this point, I cannot simply chalk up to me reading too much into things and clinging onto false hope (keep in mind I have no problem with the endings either, though more would be nice).

So, what has me dead set on thinking it's a dream/indoctrination attempt? The child says that if Shepard picks the destroy ending, he'd wipe out all synthetic life. The child also says that Shepard is partly synthetic. To me, that implies that Shepard would also be killed. Does it imply the same to others? So, if Shepard would be destroyed, why exactly is he seen breathing if you get the 'perfect' ending?

That's not even touching the rubble either, as I'm trying to not mention things people already have. (Apologies if others have mentioned these things). Also, again, the tune at this point again seemed similar in tone to the dream sequence.

So again, aside from the last point I raised here, I can chalk everything up to me reading too much into things. Surely, if everything the child said was true etc., then there should be no way Shepard could survive the destroy ending. This is ignoring everything else Shepard would need to survive as well, meaning the fall to earth/explosion.

Edit: What I cannot explain though is why that epilogue scene with the grandfather and child plays no matter what choice you make. If it is a dream/hallucination/indoctrination attempt, then surely the Reapers would win? Unless people do it without him, but he was just integral in giving the galaxy the chance to win, therefore still being heralded as a hero.

Some good catches there! Have we got some post somewhere to summarise all the evidence we have so far?

And dont know if it was just me, but i hated watching that clip with Shep/Ashley, it totally felt like my Shep was cheating on Kaidan:P

[Spherexius]

You know the ending is bad if you get a stronger emotional response from a fan made movie on Youtube than the original ending.




Everything else on my mind about this has already been said (page 302).

Modifié par Spherexius, 13 mars 2012 - 01:30 .

[xDarkspace]

Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?

[Darth Taurus]

Flaming_Penguin wrote...

A couple of things i found strange about the kid at the start of the game, The response the kid gives to Shepard in the vent when he tells him to take his hand seems really off. I doubt a scared child would respond to an adult, especially one who is obviously in the military with "you can't help me." this seems more like a planned phrase to put doubt in Shepard's mind possibly making him more susceptible to possible indoctrination.

Another thing Shepard seems to be the only person reacting to him, Anderson doesn't seem to notice the kid and I'm fairly sure, with his background, he would want to help the kid out if he could, and at the end of the mission when the civilians are being evacuated none of the soldiers seem to notice a child just standing there looking lost, or try and help him get in the car which is something people would naturally do seeing a kid struggling to get into a car.

Just a couple of things that sat uneasy with me.

I talked with my mother, she have a degree in psychology. She said this: A scary kid would be afraid with the soldier (shepard) proposal, maybe the kid won't accept, but his voice an face shoud have a trace of fear. Now, to the kid recuse the help with coldness, with a could response, that's weird. Don't make sense at all

[Byakuren2009]

@xDarkspace
nothing atm

Modifié par Byakuren2009, 13 mars 2012 - 01:32 .

[bboynexus]

Jessica Merizan is being very welcoming on her twitter.

[VonJedi1]

Not to mention if these growls weren't intentional, why is it the only point that sound is made? You are in the interior for at least another 90 seconds, yet that sound is not repeated. You hear the normal Reaper sound but that not specific style of sound.

[Vyrii]

draken-heart wrote...

anyone mention Joker leaving and the fact that our favorite flight Lieutenant said himself that he would follow Shepard anywhere, except to bed with him/her?

I posted a while back a PM that I had recieved.
Basically it's a youtube clip of an unused sound file in the gamet hat has Joker coming back to earth saying-
"That was for Cortez!"
and
"Coming home to get the girls"
Or something along those lines.



There is the clip.

[Noob451]

xDarkspace wrote...

Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?

major news here

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184