http://imageshack.us/f/834/4534n.jpg/
Can somebody with access to the game files tell me if any of these videos are actually being used by the game as of now? Cause: Reaper Death and Reaper Rise I can understand, somewhat (Destroy and Control ending), but Reaper Fall? None to be found. Flyby? Nothing. Escape? Maybe Joker making a run for it, but then, what about the others, especially the huddle sequences? Cause there were no fullscreen video sequences like that.
Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory
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#7652
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:48
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I totally agree, the so called ¨secret¨ ending when Shepard woke up among a massive ruin of concrete, that doesn´t seem like Citidael, more like London, after being blown up by the Harbinger. So I think, and I hope the game is not actually ended. The whole thing is just the beginning of the ending. If it´s money EA want, I´ll gladly pay for a DLC that makes everything right. It just hurts so much this current ending.
#7653
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Hi, fellow soldiers 
I've got one question. Anybody can confirm that mass effect 3 on console have more(something around 6GB) data than ME3 for PC? I read it somewhere and I wonder if this is true, could this means something?
I've got one question. Anybody can confirm that mass effect 3 on console have more(something around 6GB) data than ME3 for PC? I read it somewhere and I wonder if this is true, could this means something?
#7654
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Noob451 wrote...
xDarkspace wrote...
Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?
major news here
https://twitter.com/...466814907101184
It's one of the typical fishy Bioware statements where you can read everything into them but they actually have zero information in them.
#7655
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:48
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Noob451 wrote...
Elendstourist wrote...
The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages
Did I miss something?
3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.
Oh snap, really?
*Watches again*
#7656
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:50
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WindOverTuchanka wrote...
There's one other thing about the kid at the start I haven't seen mentioned often. The game starts with the kid playing WITH the Normandy. This is stretching it, but it could - theoretically - be interpreted as foreshadowing of the the kid toying with Shepard and holding his/her fate in his (it's?) hands.
He's not playing with the Normandy. Watch it again. It's just a fighter of some kind.
#7657
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:50
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Anyone knows at what point you get the rubble scene ? 4000 + ? and Shepard saved Anderson I think
Modifié par LadyAly, 13 mars 2012 - 01:54 .
#7658
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:50
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Thanks guys
I am up to date then, since I was the one who posted the picture of the trees in London. Maybe someone else did of course, I am not claiming to be the only one
It seems a bit like BioWare are teasing us. The indoctrination theory itself was already strong enough (to me at least) and with all these twitter posts and so on... I think we are right.
I am up to date then, since I was the one who posted the picture of the trees in London. Maybe someone else did of course, I am not claiming to be the only one
It seems a bit like BioWare are teasing us. The indoctrination theory itself was already strong enough (to me at least) and with all these twitter posts and so on... I think we are right.
#7659
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:51
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Smoolio wrote...
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179545310064939008
The ;-) gives me a hope.
Again, a statement with zero information that can be interpreted infinitly.
It's just Bioware. When they could only say something "negative" they tend to say nothing at all instead.
#7660
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:53
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Horacio Zhao wrote...
I totally agree, the so called ¨secret¨ ending when Shepard woke up among a massive ruin of concrete, that doesn´t seem like Citidael, more like London, after being blown up by the Harbinger. So I think, and I hope the game is not actually ended. The whole thing is just the beginning of the ending. If it´s money EA want, I´ll gladly pay for a DLC that makes everything right. It just hurts so much this current ending.
http://www.nerfnow.com/comic/image/711
Smoolio wrote...
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179545310064939008
The ;-) gives me a hope.
this proves nothing.
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#7661
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:53
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Wuyunk wrote...
Noob451 wrote...
Elendstourist wrote...
The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages
Did I miss something?
3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.
Oh snap, really?
*Watches again*
http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg
Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.
#7662
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:54
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LadyAly wrote...
Anyone knows at what point you get the rubble scene ? 4000 + ?
4000+ if you manage to keep TIM from killing anderson, 5000 if he kills anderson. Also, only if you pick the "destroy" option
#7663
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:54
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Noob451 wrote...
frajerik wrote...
thePredator50 wrote...
Noob451 wrote...
xDarkspace wrote...
Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?
major news here
https://twitter.com/...466814907101184
If this isn't confirmation I don't know what is.
Thats old and he is only reffering that there are also different colors of ending...
old? that was 6 hours ago.... and I doubt he's referring to the "colors" since that's what people are bummed about
They're still sticking to their story of "multiple" endings, so it could be either or. <_<
#7664
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:54
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Ok so since people prefer to dismiss my arguments as trolling, I'm going to put aside for a moment that this is all just theory and has no hard proof showing that it's in any way plausible. Here are some questions for you:
If you are the catalyst, and you finally manage to indoctrinate Shepard, why give him the option to destroy the reapers? "Oh but if he didn't present the option, Shepard wouldn't buy his scheme". This whole theory is based upon the principle that the Catalyst is lying to Shepard in order to deceive him and make him choose synthesis or control right? Those are the supposed "bad endings". So if the Catalyst is lying to him, the logical thought is that the option to destroy the reapers is also a lie, and instead causes some other event to happen that is part of the catalyst's plans. If you have your enemy captured in a trap, you don't give him the option to escape it. It makes more sense to say "If you choose door number 1, you can escape this place and win" but in fact door number 1 leads him right into your trap. I doubt some super intelligent god AI wizard is so stupid to give Shepard the option to "win".
Then there's also the issue of it being indoctrination from a storytelling point of view. Nowhere in the game has it explicitly stated that Shepard has ever been indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated. In fact it is stated several times by the Prothean VI that he is NOT indoctrinated. To this you guys are saying "well he might not be fully indoctrinated" or "Cerberus disabled the detection protocol". As far as plot devices go, there's no point in the Prothean VI saying "You are attempting to recover me from indoctrinated forces" unless it means that it can still detect indoctrination but has just been hacked/bypassed so that Cerberus can extract information, and that Shepard hasn't himself been indoctrinated.
This whole theory makes no sense, because it would mean that the narrative has be based on lies and withholding information from the player. When you tell a story you can't leave out important information and then expect the player/reader/viewer/whatever to understand something based on nothing. Why is Shepard breathing at the end of the "Destroy" ending? Because he was vaporized in the other 2 endings. How can you assume "oh it is indoctrination" without the game actually saying it is, or at least leaving solid clues leading to that kind of understanding.
As an analogy: You're watching a movie, and there's a bar scene. In the scene you see 3 glasses on the bar, and then there's a cut to a different angle but there are only 2 glasses shown. Everyone here is going "A ghost moved the 3rd glass!" rather than "they goofed while filming this scene."
If you are the catalyst, and you finally manage to indoctrinate Shepard, why give him the option to destroy the reapers? "Oh but if he didn't present the option, Shepard wouldn't buy his scheme". This whole theory is based upon the principle that the Catalyst is lying to Shepard in order to deceive him and make him choose synthesis or control right? Those are the supposed "bad endings". So if the Catalyst is lying to him, the logical thought is that the option to destroy the reapers is also a lie, and instead causes some other event to happen that is part of the catalyst's plans. If you have your enemy captured in a trap, you don't give him the option to escape it. It makes more sense to say "If you choose door number 1, you can escape this place and win" but in fact door number 1 leads him right into your trap. I doubt some super intelligent god AI wizard is so stupid to give Shepard the option to "win".
Then there's also the issue of it being indoctrination from a storytelling point of view. Nowhere in the game has it explicitly stated that Shepard has ever been indoctrinated or partially indoctrinated. In fact it is stated several times by the Prothean VI that he is NOT indoctrinated. To this you guys are saying "well he might not be fully indoctrinated" or "Cerberus disabled the detection protocol". As far as plot devices go, there's no point in the Prothean VI saying "You are attempting to recover me from indoctrinated forces" unless it means that it can still detect indoctrination but has just been hacked/bypassed so that Cerberus can extract information, and that Shepard hasn't himself been indoctrinated.
This whole theory makes no sense, because it would mean that the narrative has be based on lies and withholding information from the player. When you tell a story you can't leave out important information and then expect the player/reader/viewer/whatever to understand something based on nothing. Why is Shepard breathing at the end of the "Destroy" ending? Because he was vaporized in the other 2 endings. How can you assume "oh it is indoctrination" without the game actually saying it is, or at least leaving solid clues leading to that kind of understanding.
As an analogy: You're watching a movie, and there's a bar scene. In the scene you see 3 glasses on the bar, and then there's a cut to a different angle but there are only 2 glasses shown. Everyone here is going "A ghost moved the 3rd glass!" rather than "they goofed while filming this scene."
#7665
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:54
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Btw. At what point did they they bring The Crucible into Sol system? Was it after TIM scene?
#7666
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:55
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LadyAly wrote...
Noob451 wrote...
xDarkspace wrote...
Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?
major news here
https://twitter.com/...466814907101184
Why is this new - its a vague *maybe*
Hnn i am not one to dissect everything a developer says. But this does seem to put a slight kink in the Indoctrination theories. Given that those generaly claim that Synthesis and Control lead to shepard being indoctrinated, which i would label as a 'Bad choise'.
I must admit. I find that comforting.
#7667
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:55
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Thermorium wrote...
LadyAly wrote...
Anyone knows at what point you get the rubble scene ? 4000 + ?
4000+ if you manage to keep TIM from killing anderson, 5000 if he kills anderson. Also, only if you pick the "destroy" option
Strange - I had 4700+ - Anderson safed and destroy option but not got the rubble scene
#7668
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:55
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You are aware, that all but the highest people at BioWare aren't actually allowed to say anything?MDT1 wrote...
Smoolio wrote...
twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179545310064939008
The ;-) gives me a hope.
Again, a statement with zero information that can be interpreted infinitly.
It's just Bioware. When they could only say something "negative" they tend to say nothing at all instead.
I'm quite sure every single person working at Bioware has signed a non-disclosure agreement.
Modifié par WarChicken78, 13 mars 2012 - 01:56 .
#7669
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:56
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LadyAly wrote...
Thermorium wrote...
LadyAly wrote...
Anyone knows at what point you get the rubble scene ? 4000 + ?
4000+ if you manage to keep TIM from killing anderson, 5000 if he kills anderson. Also, only if you pick the "destroy" option
Strange - I had 4700+ - Anderson safed and destroy option but not got the rubble scene
I'm sure i got something along the lines of 4200 and shot TIM dead. And chose destroy. That's pretty...strange...
#7670
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:57
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The more i have been thinking about if a company could have this much balls, the more i think yes. Don't flame me for being an occasional WoW player (wow is going to ****, an expansion including Panda's??), but MMO's have set a precedent here.
You buy the expansion (the equivalent of a sequel in console games) you know the main drive of the expansion, but you are actively restricted by Blizzard from completing the expansion on your own time frames. If you rocket ahead you hit a brick wall in the lore/story development.
2 reasons for this, one being an MMO they need to keep players interested long term, so they break the end game down into scheduled releases to let you get that little further to completion.
The second is it prevents the few people who play constantly leaping ahead, clearing the expansion and leaking the end result all over the web. It gives the slower players time to catch up.
Maybe this is what BioWare is doing? Maybe they went, if the ending is available from release, a lot of people might have it ruined by people posting the ending 40 hours after release (which they have done), stealing the buzz from users who may only have had time to put iin 4-6 hours so far. They probably already expected this would cause a **** storm with the fans, which is why there appears to be so many clues in the game, dialogue, lore and logic wise to indicate this is a false ending. To be fair its working immediately after people were just flaming the company, now we are all getting together and trying to second guess the real ending sequences, already working to hyping up what the "true endings" are.
Ballsy decision by the company, but just taking a leaf out of MMO's, MMO players come to expect this, console players, this is possibly the first time its been done to them and are really pissed at being made to wait even longer for their long promised personal endings (based on 3 games worth of choices). Hopefully the real endings are buried somewhere in the discs, and all takes is a few megabytes of update code to release the locks. Otherwise it will be a hell of download size to accommodate all of the various endings based on 3 games worth of choices.
Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?
You buy the expansion (the equivalent of a sequel in console games) you know the main drive of the expansion, but you are actively restricted by Blizzard from completing the expansion on your own time frames. If you rocket ahead you hit a brick wall in the lore/story development.
2 reasons for this, one being an MMO they need to keep players interested long term, so they break the end game down into scheduled releases to let you get that little further to completion.
The second is it prevents the few people who play constantly leaping ahead, clearing the expansion and leaking the end result all over the web. It gives the slower players time to catch up.
Maybe this is what BioWare is doing? Maybe they went, if the ending is available from release, a lot of people might have it ruined by people posting the ending 40 hours after release (which they have done), stealing the buzz from users who may only have had time to put iin 4-6 hours so far. They probably already expected this would cause a **** storm with the fans, which is why there appears to be so many clues in the game, dialogue, lore and logic wise to indicate this is a false ending. To be fair its working immediately after people were just flaming the company, now we are all getting together and trying to second guess the real ending sequences, already working to hyping up what the "true endings" are.
Ballsy decision by the company, but just taking a leaf out of MMO's, MMO players come to expect this, console players, this is possibly the first time its been done to them and are really pissed at being made to wait even longer for their long promised personal endings (based on 3 games worth of choices). Hopefully the real endings are buried somewhere in the discs, and all takes is a few megabytes of update code to release the locks. Otherwise it will be a hell of download size to accommodate all of the various endings based on 3 games worth of choices.
Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?
#7671
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 01:58
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So maybe they removed really the rubble scene ??? O_O
Edit.: I did it twice to be sure I have not overseen it
Edit.: I did it twice to be sure I have not overseen it
Modifié par LadyAly, 13 mars 2012 - 02:00 .
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Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:00
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Tsantilas wrote...
This whole theory makes no sense, because it would mean that the narrative has be based on lies and withholding information from the player. When you tell a story you can't leave out important information and then expect the player/reader/viewer/whatever to understand something based on nothing. Why is Shepard breathing at the end of the "Destroy" ending? Because he was vaporized in the other 2 endings. How can you assume "oh it is indoctrination" without the game actually saying it is, or at least leaving solid clues leading to that kind of understanding
well the game don't say it. But... It don't say anything more... maybe except green/blue/red pill
#7673
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:00
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RobT2012 wrote...
Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?
this was found:
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/
#7674
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:01
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I don't see the tree's in the final scene.
Anyways after listening to the discussion with Anderson as you walk through the Citadel hall it seems like Bioware are putting so much emphasis on what's being said, from it all seeming like his description of the collector ship, to when Anderson says "I came up behind you" to Shep saying "Don't get too far ahead of me". I personally don't see any reason for the "Don't get too far ahead of me" line apart from making it apparent that he's somehow passed you up.
I know Anderson states he found a kasem with other hallways like the one he was in, but Shep states the kasem is the part where the moving plate things are... I just didn't see anyway to cross or any other hallways.
Feel free to correct me though, happy to be shot down.
Anyways after listening to the discussion with Anderson as you walk through the Citadel hall it seems like Bioware are putting so much emphasis on what's being said, from it all seeming like his description of the collector ship, to when Anderson says "I came up behind you" to Shep saying "Don't get too far ahead of me". I personally don't see any reason for the "Don't get too far ahead of me" line apart from making it apparent that he's somehow passed you up.
I know Anderson states he found a kasem with other hallways like the one he was in, but Shep states the kasem is the part where the moving plate things are... I just didn't see anyway to cross or any other hallways.
Feel free to correct me though, happy to be shot down.
#7675
Posté 13 mars 2012 - 02:01
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Elendstourist wrote...
Wuyunk wrote...
Noob451 wrote...
Elendstourist wrote...
The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages
Did I miss something?
3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.
Oh snap, really?
*Watches again*
http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg
Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.
Trees are to the left and right of the run to the Conduit (before laser blast). So, can't be part of indoctrination?
