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Darth Taurus

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Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 


HOpe never dies. Hold the line people!

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Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 

Looks like it could be "Shep Lives" scene.

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages :(

Did I miss something?




3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.





Oh snap, really? 

*Watches again*



http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg


Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.


Trees are to the left and right of the run to the Conduit (before laser blast). So, can't be part of indoctrination?


these trees look eerily familiar, and tehy're slightly transparent (could just be an oversight or something though) honestly just grasping at straws on that one (I hate that phrase)

Modifié par Noob451, 13 mars 2012 - 02:03 .


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WarChicken78 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Smoolio wrote...

twitter.com/#!/masseffect/status/179545310064939008

The ;-) gives me a hope.


Again, a statement with zero information that can be interpreted infinitly.

It's just Bioware. When they could only say something "negative" they tend to say nothing at all instead.

You are aware, that all but the highest people at BioWare aren't actually allowed to say anything?
I'm quite sure every single person working at Bioware has signed a non-disclosure agreement.


And? Whats your point here?

I just said that this tweet contains no infromation at all, which is true.

Look at the discussion about PC high res textures. All we got from Bioware was "we have high res textures in the final game."
What fans understood: Yeah, we get high res textures.
What Bioware said: We consider our textures high res.

Its just fishy, they say things so you can interpret it the way you like it, while in reality they said nothing you could pin them with later on.

Modifié par MDT1, 13 mars 2012 - 02:05 .


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Is it possible that if you chose the "wrong" ending that if your squadmates survived they could talk you out of it? Like Shepard did in ME1?

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kyg_20X6 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages :(

Did I miss something?




3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.





Oh snap, really? 

*Watches again*



http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg


Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.


Trees are to the left and right of the run to the Conduit (before laser blast). So, can't be part of indoctrination?



Picture shows wounded Shepard --> After laser blast

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Ellythe wrote...

Is it possible that if you chose the "wrong" ending that if your squadmates survived they could talk you out of it? Like Shepard did in ME1?


talk you into shooting yourself maybe.

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http://imageshack.us/f/834/4534n.jpg/

Can somebody with access to the game files tell me if any of these videos are actually being used by the game as of now? Cause: Reaper Death and Reaper Rise I can understand, somewhat (Destroy and Control ending), but Reaper Fall? None to be found. Flyby? Nothing. Escape? Maybe Joker making a run for it, but then, what about the others, especially the huddle sequences? Cause there were no fullscreen video sequences like that.



I hate to repost, but again, does anybody have an answer to this? If it's not actual files but rather a list of scripts for certain video files, are these scripts currently being triggered at any point? Or is it impossible to determine stuff like that?

Modifié par JulienJaden, 13 mars 2012 - 02:05 .


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Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 


Wow very quick answer. Thats the most exciting thing I have seen so far, definitely looks like a huge easter egg to say this is not the end...... yet

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JulienJaden wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

http://imageshack.us/f/834/4534n.jpg/

Can somebody with access to the game files tell me if any of these videos are actually being used by the game as of now? Cause: Reaper Death and Reaper Rise I can understand, somewhat (Destroy and Control ending), but Reaper Fall? None to be found. Flyby? Nothing. Escape? Maybe Joker making a run for it, but then, what about the others, especially the huddle sequences? Cause there were no fullscreen video sequences like that.



I hate to repost, but again, does anybody have an answer to this? If it's not actual files but rather a list of scripts for certain video files, are these scripts currently being triggered at any point? Or is it impossible to determine stuff like that?


maybe it was set aside as "DLC" so pc users don't find it?

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Noob451 wrote...

xDarkspace wrote...

Just woke up thread was at 260 when't to bed any news yet?


major news here

https://twitter.com/...466814907101184 


**** yeah :D They're playing with us...

Another theory: could someone change his date to... lets say 28.03.2012? So if there is a datetrigger, it would be activated....so if there's a timebased ending, it should be activated :)

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I don't see the tree's in the final scene.

Anyways after listening to the discussion with Anderson as you walk through the Citadel hall it seems like Bioware are putting so much emphasis on what's being said, from it all seeming like his description of the collector ship, to when Anderson says "I came up behind you" to Shep saying "Don't get too far ahead of me". I personally don't see any reason for the "Don't get too far ahead of me" line apart from making it apparent that he's somehow passed you up.

I know Anderson states he found a kasem with other hallways like the one he was in, but Shep states the kasem is the part where the moving plate things are... I just didn't see anyway to cross or any other hallways.

Feel free to correct me though, happy to be shot down.


I had this thought too but anderson does mention wall realigning themselves so it could be that there were mutiple coridors like the one you are in but the bridge realigns for access depending on where its needed.

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Ona Demonie wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 

Looks like it could be "Shep Lives" scene.


But "Our in a blaze of glory" doesn't seem to fit. You didn't die in a blaze of glory-- you suicided.

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Tsantilas wrote...

Ok so since people prefer to dismiss my arguments as trolling, I'm going to put aside for a moment that this is all just theory and has no hard proof showing that it's in any way plausible. Here are some questions for you:


Shepard is never indoctrinated.
The Reapers are trying to indoctrinate her.

And about the glass analogy: BioWare didn't put in that last scene with Shepard by mistake. It was deliberate, and we're trying to interpret it.

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or why ME3 on consoles discs have more data (around 6GB) than the ones on PC?

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 

Looks like it could be "Shep Lives" scene.


But "Our in a blaze of glory" doesn't seem to fit. You didn't die in a blaze of glory-- you suicided.


im thinking that since the person who made that save game editor is using basically the exact same program its probably just an oversight in adapting it to me3 and the endings choices are left over data from me2.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 

Looks like it could be "Shep Lives" scene.


But "Our in a blaze of glory" doesn't seem to fit. You didn't die in a blaze of glory-- you suicided.


In the biggest explosion short of a supernova possible and with a lightshow that illuminates the entire galaxy. I'd call that a blaze of glory. :P

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Noob451 wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

http://imageshack.us/f/834/4534n.jpg/

Can somebody with access to the game files tell me if any of these videos are actually being used by the game as of now? Cause: Reaper Death and Reaper Rise I can understand, somewhat (Destroy and Control ending), but Reaper Fall? None to be found. Flyby? Nothing. Escape? Maybe Joker making a run for it, but then, what about the others, especially the huddle sequences? Cause there were no fullscreen video sequences like that.



I hate to repost, but again, does anybody have an answer to this? If it's not actual files but rather a list of scripts for certain video files, are these scripts currently being triggered at any point? Or is it impossible to determine stuff like that?


maybe it was set aside as "DLC" so pc users don't find it?


Isn't that just where Shep takes a gasp in the rubble?

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Thermorium wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

Thermorium wrote...

LadyAly wrote...

Anyone knows at what point you get the rubble scene ? 4000 + ?


4000+ if you manage to keep TIM from killing anderson, 5000 if he kills anderson. Also, only if you pick the "destroy" option


Strange - I had 4700+ - Anderson safed and destroy option but not got the rubble scene


I'm sure i got something along the lines of 4200 and shot TIM dead. And chose destroy. That's pretty...strange...


All I know is, i had over 7k war assets and 100% readiness, and my shepard lived after destroy in the rumble-

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Noob451 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages :(

Did I miss something?




3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.





Oh snap, really? 

*Watches again*



http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg


Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.


Trees are to the left and right of the run to the Conduit (before laser blast). So, can't be part of indoctrination?


these trees look eerily familiar, and tehy're slightly transparent (could just be an oversight or something though) honestly just grasping at straws on that one (I hate that phrase)


I have thought we have already settled this.  It is "grasping at emergency induction ports"! lol

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Those producing counterpoints to the indoctrination theory aren't being exactly that compelling.

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njfluffy19 wrote...

Ona Demonie wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Have any PC players, plumbed all of the install files to see if there is are "any secrets" they can find?


this was found: 
http://imageshack.us...8/66456249.png/ 

Looks like it could be "Shep Lives" scene.


But "Our in a blaze of glory" doesn't seem to fit. You didn't die in a blaze of glory-- you suicided.


You should consider that if the endings are the actuall end, Bioware will still be fond of their work.
It wasn't plain suicide, it was a sacrifice, so that all others could live.

Modifié par MDT1, 13 mars 2012 - 02:11 .


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Prince Keldar wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

kyg_20X6 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages :(

Did I miss something?




3. trees from the dreams seen after you get up from harbinger's beam.





Oh snap, really? 

*Watches again*



http://i40.tinypic.com/2a8kxhx.jpg


Looks a lot like the trees from the dreams to me. I got that picture from a YT comment by the way. I did not make it myself.


Trees are to the left and right of the run to the Conduit (before laser blast). So, can't be part of indoctrination?


these trees look eerily familiar, and tehy're slightly transparent (could just be an oversight or something though) honestly just grasping at straws on that one (I hate that phrase)


I have thought we have already settled this.  It is "grasping at emergency induction ports"! lol


oh, right!  I like that one better anyway.

Modifié par Noob451, 13 mars 2012 - 02:11 .


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Iam2ugly wrote...

or why ME3 on consoles discs have more data (around 6GB) than the ones on PC?


thats more likely a difference in compresion software between the pc and ps3 if anything.

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JulienJaden wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...


But "Our in a blaze of glory" doesn't seem to fit. You didn't die in a blaze of glory-- you suicided.


In the biggest explosion short of a supernova possible and with a lightshow that illuminates the entire galaxy. I'd call that a blaze of glory. :P


I don't know. I don't think I would consider throwing herself into a beam of light, holding electrical tube doo-hickies 'blaze of glory'. Maybe the destroy ending, but not the other two.

I picture blaze of some Die Hard sh*t. :?