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[byne]

Something I just remembered from Benezia in ME1:

"You must listen. Saren still whispers in my mind. I can fight his compulsions. Briefly. But the indoctrination is strong."

Sounds like all the creepy whispers Shepard keeps hearing in the dreams with the kid.

[Drake_1000]

This thread is useless. ME3 is the end of the game and the ending sucks. Period.
I don't want to know why the ending sucks, i want the ending Bioware tell me they do.

[lavosslayer]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

AvianCat wrote...
This thread has answers to some of this. The indoctrination begins in Arrival with Shepard being in the Project with Object Rho for 2 days. Bioware may release the real ending over the Alliance Network because of various marketing strategies against used games, piracy, etc. And everything after Shepard dies is just what Shepard wants to see being the savior of the galaxy. But this is all speculation and you may be right.

I really, really can't see something this elaborate being the case. It would be such a betrayal to the fan base to put such a complex hard-to-explain subplot underneath the entire game and only reveal it later via DLC. Again, you might be able to justify anything if you have enough time, but with so much to try and justify it's pretty clear (to me), it's a huge dose of wishful thinking. 

I responded your questions on page 29 and I don't see it as a betrayal...how would it be? I think it would be a betrayal if they left it as is with no real logical reason for the ending to be how it is...I think it does suck that it more then likely would be DLC but I don't think they will make us pay for it and even if they did I don't think it would be as expensive as Shadow Broker.  

There really is more evidence to prove the Indoctrination theory then there is to prove the current ending is truly happening in real time...there are just way too many open ended questions as it is but by objectively seeing the endings as part of indoctrination it begins to come together and make sense

[lookingglassmind]

You don't need all of those assets to get the "secret ending". Importing a save from ME2 grants you the same ending.

[humes spork]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

[Kloborgg711]

MPSai wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Again, what of the people who don't have internet or otherwise don't have access to DLC for one reason or another? 

Lot of big DLC or expansions are released on disc these days. Look at Rockstar.

BS. They're not going to release a "free" DLC on disc, so it would have to be a full $30+ expansion. MAYBE that's the case, but the idea that your copy of Mass Effect 3 is literally incomplete and misleading unless you pay another premium is sickening. I would buy it, but it's sickening.

[byne]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Also, what kind of trolling a-hole grandpa tells a kid a story with a fake ending, and then supplements it with an entirely different (ableit better) ending?

The same kind of grandpa that tells a young kid a story that involves melting people into gray goo to build starships, multiple horrific deaths, and interspecies sex, I'd imagine.

[Kloborgg711]

Geda173 wrote...
You need an Internet connection to activate ME3. Once activated, the code is used and you cant sell the game anymore. Your idea is nice, but your explanation unfortunately is obsolete.

For the PC edition only. You don't need anything but the discs for the PS3 and Xbox 360 version.

[Raven2131990]

it's so ****ing meta

[lookingglassmind]

I'd love it if DLC revealed a Keeper on the Normandy somewhere.

[Korhiann]

Daedrus_0837 wrote...

With that being said, my gut feeling is that this is an intentional "fill in the gaps", so that the player can make their own conclusion to their player. I hate movies/stories/games with that sort of ending, but it is somewhat common.

They aren't so bad when done correctly. For example when they conform to the theme(s) like they did in the first Deus Ex.

[Kloborgg711]

lavosslayer wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

AvianCat wrote...
This thread has answers to some of this. The indoctrination begins in Arrival with Shepard being in the Project with Object Rho for 2 days. Bioware may release the real ending over the Alliance Network because of various marketing strategies against used games, piracy, etc. And everything after Shepard dies is just what Shepard wants to see being the savior of the galaxy. But this is all speculation and you may be right.

I really, really can't see something this elaborate being the case. It would be such a betrayal to the fan base to put such a complex hard-to-explain subplot underneath the entire game and only reveal it later via DLC. Again, you might be able to justify anything if you have enough time, but with so much to try and justify it's pretty clear (to me), it's a huge dose of wishful thinking. 

I responded your questions on page 29 and I don't see it as a betrayal...how would it be? I think it would be a betrayal if they left it as is with no real logical reason for the ending to be how it is...I think it does suck that it more then likely would be DLC but I don't think they will make us pay for it and even if they did I don't think it would be as expensive as Shadow Broker.  

There really is more evidence to prove the Indoctrination theory then there is to prove the current ending is truly happening in real time...there are just way too many open ended questions as it is but by objectively seeing the endings as part of indoctrination it begins to come together and make sense

You don't think lying to the entire fanbase and then requiring them later on to get more content is betrayal? Finishing ME3 gave me an empty feeling in my gut and got me depressed for a couple days. I would be pretty pissed if that was all part of some elaborate marketting scheme.

Modifié par Kloborgg711, 11 mars 2012 - 02:22 .

[Geda173]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Geda173 wrote...
You need an Internet connection to activate ME3. Once activated, the code is used and you cant sell the game anymore. Your idea is nice, but your explanation unfortunately is obsolete.

For the PC edition only. You don't need anything but the discs for the PS3 and Xbox 360 version.

Apologies then. I didn't say anything.

[Sajuro]

Geda173 wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

k8ee wrote...
They could do it for free throught he alliance network online pass that comes with the game. Also a great way for them to protect the ending from leaks and to get more people to hook up their xbox. I know I only hooked mine up to get dlc for ME2

And trust me, I hate to admit how devestated I was too. I went for beers with friends and this was all I could think of. I felt like Sidonis... the FOOD HAS NO TASTE, lol

Again, what of the people who don't have internet or otherwise don't have access to DLC for one reason or another? There might not be many, but there are some? What of the people who get used copies of the game? I understand Bioware already has some consequences for not buying the game new, but removing the ending from used gamers? That's too harsh. And finally, what about those who sold their copies out of frustration? Can you imagine the outrage they'd feel?
I don't see how this could protect the ending better, since it would just require one more leak.

You need an Internet connection to activate ME3. Once activated, the code is used and you cant sell the game anymore. Your idea is nice, but your explanation unfortunately is obsolete.

360 and PS3
If people sold their copies out of frustration, well they're guddamned adults and will live with the consequences of their  actions

[byne]

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

Its worth noting that each time you have one of those kid nightmares, there are more shadows and more whispers, almost like you're getting worse

[humes spork]

lookingglassmind wrote...

I'd love it if DLC revealed a Keeper on the Normandy somewhere.

Does the life support room ever serve an in-game purpose? It's just there and is never used for anything the entire game, yet you can still go in and walk around while any other section of the Normandy which currently serves no purpose is locked out.

[omgBAMF]

The "secret" ending is one of the most telling parts. Shep is laying in a pile of concrete and mortar... definitely not what the citadel is made of (I imagine). Not to mention the catalyst kid tries to guilt him away form it by saying "even you are partly synthetic" (meaning you would die by choosing this) when referring to the death of all synthetics, but then Shepard somehow lives afterwards? I think the kid is full of it and trying to trick you... or at least I hope so.

The stargazer gramps did happen since Shepard is a legend after all... not just to humans, but also to Turians, Salarians, Quarians, Geth, *insert EVERY species in galactic space*. I think that part is true, coming after the credits and all.

[Sajuro]

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

coupled with the fact that even after Retribution the Alliance is still filled with Cerberus moles?

[Geda173]

byne wrote...

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

Its worth noting that each time you have one of those kid nightmares, there are more shadows and more whispers, almost like you're getting worse

I noticed that the whispers are from dead squad members. For instance: When Legion dies, in the following nightmare you hear "Shepard-Commander". I also heard whispers from Mordin and Miranda (she died on my second playthrough, cant remember why).

[lavosslayer]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

AvianCat wrote...
This thread has answers to some of this. The indoctrination begins in Arrival with Shepard being in the Project with Object Rho for 2 days. Bioware may release the real ending over the Alliance Network because of various marketing strategies against used games, piracy, etc. And everything after Shepard dies is just what Shepard wants to see being the savior of the galaxy. But this is all speculation and you may be right.

I really, really can't see something this elaborate being the case. It would be such a betrayal to the fan base to put such a complex hard-to-explain subplot underneath the entire game and only reveal it later via DLC. Again, you might be able to justify anything if you have enough time, but with so much to try and justify it's pretty clear (to me), it's a huge dose of wishful thinking. 

I responded your questions on page 29 and I don't see it as a betrayal...how would it be? I think it would be a betrayal if they left it as is with no real logical reason for the ending to be how it is...I think it does suck that it more then likely would be DLC but I don't think they will make us pay for it and even if they did I don't think it would be as expensive as Shadow Broker.  

There really is more evidence to prove the Indoctrination theory then there is to prove the current ending is truly happening in real time...there are just way too many open ended questions as it is but by objectively seeing the endings as part of indoctrination it begins to come together and make sense

You don't think lying to the entire fanbase and then requiring them later on to get more content is betrayal? Finishing ME3 gave me an empty feeling in my gut and got me depressed for a couple days. I would be pretty pissed if that was all part of some elaborate marketting scheme.

I was totally speechless in a bad way when I finished the game two days ago...I couldn't even bring myself to look at the icon on my desktop it was so bad...then I saw this thread and begin objectively looking at the end and thinking about all I've read and seen throughout the game and the books and it all began to make sense.


I really hope that they won't charge for the addition as it is vital to the game and I don't think it would be good business. However the idea of setting the ending up this way is classic EA mixed with Bioware mischeviousness in their storytelling. Like I said in my reply to your large post on why this concept can't be true, they have done this kind of twist before and it made the game one of the most memorable games in gaming history because of it..whether you love it or hate it you won't forget it!

[k8ee]

There is just no replay value, and no value for any future pre-me3 end dlc if we don't get some sort of closure with this.

[Sajuro]

byne wrote...

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

Its worth noting that each time you have one of those kid nightmares, there are more shadows and more whispers, almost like you're getting worse

Also it seems the voices are those of your companions who have died, the Reapers using your own memories of Mordin and Legion to erode your will to fight.

[crimsontotem]

Yeah countless cycles would focus together and make one thing that can change the fate of the galaxy easily breakable with most rudimentary pistol.... that makes perfect sense.

[Kloborgg711]

Sajuro wrote...

If people sold their copies out of frustration, well they're guddamned adults and will live with the consequences of their  actions

It's that easy?
Person A is a fan of Mass Effect.
Person A buys ME3 on release date and eagerly plays through it all.
Person A is devastated by the ending, and regrets getting so invested in the series.
Person A sells ME3 while demand is high, and doesn't think they'll need to play it again.
Bioware announces "SURPRISE! That was a fake ending all along!"
Person A already lost money, and is now required to repurchase to game to see content they could've seen in the first place, because Bioware has some extremely elaborate and sadistic marketting scheme to mess with people's emotions.

And we all end up happy with no controversy? No. Stupid idea, sorry.

[FugitiveMind]

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

ok, days old memory here...

early on in the story, you're getting ready for a mission, discussing it around the table and there's a few seconds of the cutscene that flashes outside the room to an almost through glass looking shot of someone(thing) sneaking around outside the room listening in.

the mission then goes south because cerberus was there with no way for them to have known what you were doing unless there was a mole.

if anyone can lay the specifics out on what I'm shoddily remembering it'd be appreciated, but I'd love to tie that in with the hidden indoctrination device.

I'd find it myself but I don't remember exactly where it was early on, and my wife is playing...