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[Wuyunk]

I did the sabotaged medigel dispensers side quest :/ I think Conrad just hates me.

[Gernbuster]

Indoctrination theory sounds valid to me, but I also understand the evil "indoctrination voice" in my head, which repeats "give up this is it "
But I really don t get why Citadel gets destroyed, catalysts never gets destroyed!

[Goikiu]

 If you see it rights this video (
) doing the run you can see that you lose control of shepard before you're hit. I've re-seen this some time now... all goes white however the "beam" don't really hit you... 

The heavy breath after the "perfect" ending it's too dark.... i cannot really see if you're hurt or not.

(I'm not English and so i know my language it's a little strange) u_u

[LoveAsThouWilt]

Maybe its just a dream/indoctrination from the point after Anderson dies and Shepard passed out instead of when the beam first hit... I'd believe anything at this point other than "this was all real" because... It pisses me off to much to consider it all as actually happening. Also could make sense for the Reapers. After all Shepard is moments away from activating the Crucible and killing them. Him passing out leaves them a perfect opportunity to stop him from destroying them.

[slyko227]

Elendstourist wrote...

Rob_K1 wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

The last time I checked this thread about 15 hour ago it had 100 pages less. Could someone kindly give me a brief update? Last I read was the twitter post saying there was no ETA for the rubble in the ending scene to be removed. I dont have time to read the 100 pages

Did I miss something?

No major new news I don't think, we're still just brainstorming, but I missed the tweet about an ETA about the rubble scene being removed, what the hell was that about? :/ Why would they be removing the rubble scene? Don't get it.

Where exactly was it mentioned about the rubble scene being removed?

Nowhere.

The twitter post I refered to was:

Zach Naizer -

@masseffect Any idea when the debree on earth around the n7 armor is going to be removed?



Mass Effect-

@alaggyhost We have no ETA at this time


That sound like removing the rubble around the N7 armor --> Shepard under it

there are many ways to inturpret this, one being that squad mates or allies help remove the rubble around shepard so s/he can activate the crucible, possible hint at dlc release, but again can be interpreted many ways

[Tsantilas]

Rahabzu wrote...

Didn't you read the thread? This isn't the ending, you beat indoctrination and thats when you get the shepard breath scene.  According to the theory we're getting a dlc ending that expands upon after he wakes up.

Also people are saying they're waiting until everyone has their game (At least march 15) before they reveal anything. due to spoilers.

I read the thread... did you not read my post?  This is exactly my point.  What kind of game developer releases what is advertised as the final part of a trilogy, where the story is wrapped up, only you get to the end and it actually isn't the end because there will be DLC with the rest of the game after release?  Leaks and spoilers have always been part of video games.  Since when have companies started leaving out the end of a story because not everyone has beat the game yet?  It's like going to see a movie premier with the last 15 minutes cut out, saying that the rest will be released next week when everyone has had a chance to see it, because someone might have leaked it or whatever.

[GunMoth]

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

Repost. ;_; Anyone notice anything else about the dreams? 

Editedit: Also, as someone who didnt mind the Deus Ex Machina ending (though it was technically bad because it was a genre shift and gives the player no real control - I wont get into why I liked it. Wall of text) I think that this ending not only makes sense from a business perspective (It leaves the mass effect series in tact for another installment) it also fills in a lot of the retcons or inconsistencies we see prior to seeing the catalyst (My friend saw Garrus dead before entering the citadel, yet saw him alive in her ending)

Modifié par GunMoth, 13 mars 2012 - 03:31 .

[ArkkAngel007]

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

I just figured the flames were Shepard's subconscience sending him a warning.  Shepard himself may not be aware of what is happening when his guard is down, but his mental being knows something is up.  

[Wuyunk]

Goikiu wrote...

 If you see it rights this video (
) doing the run you can see that you lose control of shepard before you're hit. I've re-seen this some time now... all goes white however the "beam" don't really hit you... 

The heavy breath after the "perfect" ending it's too dark.... i cannot really see if you're hurt or not.

(I'm not English and so i know my language it's a little strange) u_u

Yeah when I first played it through I thought I'd been hit, I think thats just everyone's initial reaction seeing as you just barely dodged 10 hits.

But after watching the video's again its clear you don't get hit and the white light comes about as Shep is raising his/her hands.

Then he's in Narnia and helps that Lion guy.

[hismastersvoice]

Milvushina wrote...
Someone else had mentioned that Sovereign wasn't vulnerable until Saren was killed.  I watched a video of the final battle and as soon as they take out Saren, this red electricity shoots out of him, then the same stuff shoots out of Sovereign and the Alliance announces its shields have gone down.  Then they destroy Sovereign.

So perhaps if Shepard shakes off the Reaper's mind games, it kick starts the Crucible.  Though it still doesn't explain how it works, if the part where it explodes everything is a dream.

That's because Sovereign ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL over Saren's body. Note that Harbinger released the collector overlord guy just before the final blast erased all collectors.

This probably means projecting themselves into hosts exposes Reapers to at least temporary incapacitation if the host dies while controlled.

[RaeAlethea]

I've been following this thread since the beginning, all 300+ pages of it, and this is the only theory that makes sense to me. Then again, I might still be in the denial stage of grief

[njfluffy19]

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

It definitely invokes hopelessness. Like, nothing you do can possibly prevent this from happening. Hence why the destroy option would look so awful and the kid is able to sway you toward the other two options. In the destroy ending, the apparition simply disappears, in the blue, there's a close up of its face... What does it do in green? I can't remember anything in particular that it did. Does it simply disappear too, or does it have another close up? I think its actions are pretty significant.

[happy_diplomat]

Going to try to keep my MP Galactic readiness over 95% so I don't have to worry about the citadel quests as much, they take up so much time, lol

[Wuyunk]

LoveAsThouWilt wrote...

Maybe its just a dream/indoctrination from the point after Anderson dies and Shepard passed out instead of when the beam first hit... I'd believe anything at this point other than "this was all real" because... It pisses me off to much to consider it all as actually happening. Also could make sense for the Reapers. After all Shepard is moments away from activating the Crucible and killing them. Him passing out leaves them a perfect opportunity to stop him from destroying them.

only problem with that is.. Why does he wake up in a pile of rubble on what we presume to be London, if he's on the Citadel? I don't care what happens, if they try and tell me Shep survived that fall from orbit with no armour (not that that should matter) I'll be very -.-

[Lost Cipher]

I want this theory to be right, however when March 15th comes and nothing is said will you still believe?

Modifié par Lost Cipher, 13 mars 2012 - 03:38 .

[HovisLoaf]

I think the theory makes more sense than the alternative. I mean really if the ending is not an indoctrination battle then it's just spectacularly derpy. I think the indoctrination ending is the only ending that actually makes sense, from the material present in the game.

It also makes sense that, at some point, the Reapers would try to indoctrinate Shepard.

[Milvushina]

GunMoth wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

Repost. ;_; Anyone notice anything else about the dreams? 

Editedit: Also, as someone who didnt mind the Deus Ex Machina ending (though it was technically bad because it was a genre shift and gives the player no real control - I wont get into why I liked it. Wall of text) I think that this ending not only makes sense from a business perspective (It leaves the mass effect series in tact for another installment) it also fills in a lot of the retcons or inconsistencies we see prior to seeing the catalyst (My friend saw Garrus dead before entering the citadel, yet saw him alive in her ending)

I had the same feeling as you.  The fact that the other Shepard is so happy to finally catch the kid, she hugs him and stuff, and then seems so oddly relaxed as she bursts into flames is creepy.  I interpreted it to mean she for some reason did not realize what was really happening.   

[Ghrelt]

If this theory turns out to be true, I want a tshirt that says "I survived the Indoctrination Check of 2012", with (Damn you, Bioware!) in smaller writing beneath.

[J4N3_M3]

hismastersvoice wrote...

Milvushina wrote...
Someone else had mentioned that Sovereign wasn't vulnerable until Saren was killed.  I watched a video of the final battle and as soon as they take out Saren, this red electricity shoots out of him, then the same stuff shoots out of Sovereign and the Alliance announces its shields have gone down.  Then they destroy Sovereign.

So perhaps if Shepard shakes off the Reaper's mind games, it kick starts the Crucible.  Though it still doesn't explain how it works, if the part where it explodes everything is a dream.

That's because Sovereign ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL over Saren's body. Note that Harbinger released the collector overlord guy just before the final blast erased all collectors.

This probably means projecting themselves into hosts exposes Reapers to at least temporary incapacitation if the host dies while controlled.

actually a very interesting observation that I hadn't caught on yet. If Saren and the Collector bad guy were/would have been able to destroy ONE Reaper, then this only strengthens my theory that Shepard's mind destroyed all Reapers by activating the Crucible through whichever connection. 

It's something I haven't fully figured out yet but I'm pretty sure that through the indoctrination attempt Shepard is connected to the Citadel AND the Crucible because the Reapers are connected with the Citadel. Defying them works as Catalyst to activate the Crucible. 

I don't think the Child is the Catalyst. It doesn't make sense. The one who USES the Crucible is Shepard so Shepard is the Catalyst IMHO despite what the child says. And it takes Shepard defying the Reapers to activate the Crucible and destroying them. 

[GunMoth]

njfluffy19 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

It definitely invokes hopelessness. Like, nothing you do can possibly prevent this from happening. Hence why the destroy option would look so awful and the kid is able to sway you toward the other two options. In the destroy ending, the apparition simply disappears, in the blue, there's a close up of its face... What does it do in green? I can't remember anything in particular that it did. Does it simply disappear too, or does it have another close up? I think its actions are pretty significant.

No, the child stays (you can see him in the background) but Shepard literally leaps off the citadel into the light. So its impossible to see the child after that because of the direction of the camera. 

Then you distribute the reaper code and a huge green explosion happens. 

Modifié par GunMoth, 13 mars 2012 - 03:37 .

[The0ther]

Maybe you can defeat the reapers even if you get indoctrinated. If you pick "destroy" you can go destroy them using the crucible or whatnot. If you pick control or synthesis you get indoctrinated BUT you break that Saren style. Sounds like a tragic, not perfect sacrifice ending to me.

[Wuyunk]

Lost Cipher wrote...

I want this theory to right, however when March 15th comes and nothing is said will you still believe?

I will.

I believe Bioware did this because, well... its awesome, trying to trick players like this, its different. I'm not of the opinion they've done ALL of this just to hide the final ending from being leaked.

So come the 15th, I don't see why they wouldn't wait atleast a week after that to let the East get this ending too, and then patch it with a conclusion, if thats what they're even going to do :/

[ArkkAngel007]

njfluffy19 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

 Have Shepard's dreams been mentioned yet? Particularly the third one. 

I feel like this is a huge hint. My interpretation: Since the child represents the innocent civilians that cannot fight back, love, etc. I assumed that the fire represented both desire and the inability to protect mankind. At first it started off as this "feeling" of wanting to reach out to someone but having the inability to do so. The fire is out of Shep's control.

After I saw the third scene, I realized something was up. Both the child and Shepard smile while they're being burned. This could represent Shep's inevitable destruction through desire. At first I thought (before I considered indoctrination) that Shep's emotional state / being haunted by the death of this child would cause Shepard to make overly emotional decisions or become too stressed out to act. 

But the smile. 

It definitely seems that the child has been fighting to indoctrinate Shepard. Or "destroy" Shepard in some way. But the fact that both Shep and the child are smiling suggests indoctrination. Its the concept of being destroyed, but mirroring the child's behavior. Like a puppet. Or perhaps coming to terms with destruction.

It definitely invokes hopelessness. Like, nothing you do can possibly prevent this from happening. Hence why the destroy option would look so awful and the kid is able to sway you toward the other two options. In the destroy ending, the apparition simply disappears, in the blue, there's a close up of its face... What does it do in green? I can't remember anything in particular that it did. Does it simply disappear too, or does it have another close up? I think its actions are pretty significant.

No, it doesn't do a close-up in Synthesis.

[Goikiu]

Wuyunk wrote...

Goikiu wrote...

 If you see it rights this video (
) doing the run you can see that you lose control of shepard before you're hit. I've re-seen this some time now... all goes white however the "beam" don't really hit you... 

The heavy breath after the "perfect" ending it's too dark.... i cannot really see if you're hurt or not.

(I'm not English and so i know my language it's a little strange) u_u

Yeah when I first played it through I thought I'd been hit, I think thats just everyone's initial reaction seeing as you just barely dodged 10 hits.

But after watching the video's again its clear you don't get hit and the white light comes about as Shep is raising his/her hands.

Then he's in Narnia and helps that Lion guy.

Assuming you're Knocked out from an Explosion you are probably trying to wake up yourself u_u

If you think a litlle deeper into That... Into the Cerberus Base you can see a lot of videos. TIM don't wanna to kill you because you can still be useful... 

Maybe some days from now we can unlock something (with some patch).
I Hope for it and i'll wait for now before i won't burn my copy. 

[njfluffy19]

GunMoth wrote...


No, the child stays (you can see him in the background) but Shepard literally leaps off the citadel into the light. So its impossible to see the child after that because of the direction of the camera. 

Then you distribute the reaper code and a huge green explosion happens. 

Its probably rubbing its hands together laughing maniacally.