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[Dap Brannigan]

The ending has to come in a free patch. I cannot believe that Bioware is actually planning to release the ending as DLC we have to pay for. That would be suicide, especially given the backlash from the day-one DLC and endings already.

At least, I hope?

[Descedent]

Just restarted the citadel ending and I got the black screen followed by credits on both different endings each time. Door on the Normandy goes to open, screen goes black and never see who climbs out. and poof straight to credits.

[Goikiu]

About Kids and Dreams....

It isn't sure that is indoctrination .... I see it (initially) as a mental response for shepard to gain mental strenght and determination versus the war. He isn't ready for a galactic war and those nightmare have the power to give him more determination.

We'll see it soon enough o_o

[luzburg]

These endings are killing me!

[JulienJaden]

Ellythe wrote...

If this theory turns out to be true, I want a tshirt that says "I survived the Indoctrination Check of 2012", with (Damn you, Bioware!) in smaller writing beneath.

If we're right, sign me up for one of those. 

[Spherexius]

Rahabzu wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Spherexius wrote...

My problem with it is that there's a huge portion of the story missing if it was all a dream (actually defeating the Reapers, or be defeated by them), but at the same time I hope that it was a dream so that there's a small chance that it can be 'fixed'.

Exactly.  If a huge part of the story is missing it means we payed full price for an incomplete product.  If it's all an intricate marketting ploy by EA/Bioware to sell dlc with a real ending, it won't be well recieved by the fans.  The whole point of ME3 is that it's the end of the series and you get to fight the reapers with this huge galactic army.  What's the point if it was all a hallucination and you never actually finish the story?

Didn't you read the thread? This isn't the ending, you beat indoctrination and thats when you get the shepard breath scene.  According to the theory we're getting a dlc ending that expands upon after he wakes up.

Also people are saying they're waiting until everyone has their game (At least march 15) before they reveal anything. due to spoilers.

Not sure who you meant to reply to here, but you're assuming an awful lot. It's looking extremely plausible that it was an indoctrination sequence, but we can't be 100% sure yet. If it is, and they attempt releasing _paid_ DLC to get the 'real ending', it will be a setting a terrifying precedence.

As responsible consumers, we should not accept it.

[Goikiu]

JulienJaden wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

If this theory turns out to be true, I want a tshirt that says "I survived the Indoctrination Check of 2012", with (Damn you, Bioware!) in smaller writing beneath.

If we're right, sign me up for one of those. 

Ahah, one for me too 

[Wuyunk]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

The ending has to come in a free patch. I cannot believe that Bioware is actually planning to release the ending as DLC we have to pay for. That would be suicide, especially given the backlash from the day-one DLC and endings already.

At least, I hope?

Agreed. I am more than happy to go along with this and I actually think its pretty amazing if this is what they've done, as long as its patched in and not DLC.

If its DLC I will be pissed, but I'd still buy it and I still buy any ME game after that >.> But I know a huge majority would cut all consumer tie's with Bioware lol.

[pfeenix]

Wuyunk wrote...

Question irrelevant to this whole theory: Is Conrad Verner anywhere in the game? Did I miss him?

Yeah, he pops up in  the docks/holding area. he took a blank [bullet] for me. 

[Milvushina]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

hismastersvoice wrote...

Milvushina wrote...
Someone else had mentioned that Sovereign wasn't vulnerable until Saren was killed.  I watched a video of the final battle and as soon as they take out Saren, this red electricity shoots out of him, then the same stuff shoots out of Sovereign and the Alliance announces its shields have gone down.  Then they destroy Sovereign.

So perhaps if Shepard shakes off the Reaper's mind games, it kick starts the Crucible.  Though it still doesn't explain how it works, if the part where it explodes everything is a dream.

That's because Sovereign ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL over Saren's body. Note that Harbinger released the collector overlord guy just before the final blast erased all collectors.

This probably means projecting themselves into hosts exposes Reapers to at least temporary incapacitation if the host dies while controlled.

actually a very interesting observation that I hadn't caught on yet. If Saren and the Collector bad guy were/would have been able to destroy ONE Reaper, then this only strengthens my theory that Shepard's mind destroyed all Reapers by activating the Crucible through whichever connection. 

It's something I haven't fully figured out yet but I'm pretty sure that through the indoctrination attempt Shepard is connected to the Citadel AND the Crucible because the Reapers are connected with the Citadel. Defying them works as Catalyst to activate the Crucible. 

I don't think the Child is the Catalyst. It doesn't make sense. The one who USES the Crucible is Shepard so Shepard is the Catalyst IMHO despite what the child says. And it takes Shepard defying the Reapers to activate the Crucible and destroying them. 

This is similar to my line of thinking.  Remember Shepard was able to talk down a very indoctrinated Saren and (I've heard) TIM also.  Perhaps what gives Shepard a unique chance to beat the Reapers is his ability to break his own indoctrination.  

[Ravax]

http://www.examiner....effect-movement

WE ARE GETTING KNOWN!!

Also, if I search in google: "mass effect 3 endings"

these are the top results:

Why Mass Effect 3's Ending Was So Damn Terrible
Gamers Petition To Change Mass Effect 3 Ending - G4tv.com
Protests over ending of Mass Effect 3 show fan investment in story ...
Mass Effect 3 Endings Reception | Know Your Meme
Feature: Mass Effect 3's ending: Why the backlash is idiotic - but ...
The Mass Effect 3 Ending Backlash Continues To Gain Steam ...
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Retake Mass Effect movement - Honolulu ..

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So REGARDLESS if asia hasnt seen it released yet, all they have to do is google, and SHAZAAAAM, sales will go down because they will see the ending is a flop... granted it might be a minor decrease in sales, but its still money lost if they dare continue this sharade (granted they are 'tricking' us)

Just food for thought!

[Prince Keldar]

the indoctrination started after the beam hit and everything went white. As soon as you wake up you hear the radio saying that know body made it, they were wiped out, they need to pull back, etc. Also, you know the time is of the essence so if they pull back and try again it will be too late. So Harbinger is trying to tell Shepard that all is lost before he got to the beam.

Also, why did Shepard and Anderson get separated and come out in different areas when they hit the beam?

[kent80082006]

Tsantilas wrote...

Ok so... Shepard passes out while talking to Hackett... and then the elevator thing takes Shepard up to where he meets the catalyst. Why not just let Shepard die where he passed out? The Catalyst has already won if he's supposedly this evil reaper god thing that lies to Shepard. It just doesn't make sense to me that it's all an elaborate scheme to trick him and indoctrinate him. Letting him die is a much easier solution.

For those who missed it, let me bring up something that is probably buried under about a hundred pages.

If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS) then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said 'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the reapers and they didn't expect him to reach the elevator thing.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?

Modifié par kent80082006, 13 mars 2012 - 03:47 .

[UKillMeLongTime]

Here is an idea.
March release for this game and at the end of Year Bioshock Infinite is out and 'usually' this game is forgotten and then we have award seasons starting and Christmas Sales

What is around that time......DLC for this game answers everything being ranted about the ending ?

is this called some amazing marketing?
It damn sure has the chance to make it just that. I hope so.
If programmers are not working on this now shame on you Bioware for missing a chance to get this game back in the spotlight 6 to 8 months after it's launched

[Milvushina]

kent80082006 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Ok so... Shepard passes out while talking to Hackett... and then the elevator thing takes Shepard up to where he meets the catalyst. Why not just let Shepard die where he passed out? The Catalyst has already won if he's supposedly this evil reaper god thing that lies to Shepard. It just doesn't make sense to me that it's all an elaborate scheme to trick him and indoctrinate him. Letting him die is a much easier solution.

For those who missed it, let me bring up something that is probably buried under about a hundred pages.

If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS) then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said 'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the reapers.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?

Yes, it does, but I've also heard that if you saved the collector base in ME2 that the only default option you get with a low EMS on the citadel is Control, whereas if you don't save the base your only low EMS option is Destroy.  Has anyone personally seen this proved?

[Kikaaa]

Goikiu wrote...

JulienJaden wrote...

Ellythe wrote...

If this theory turns out to be true, I want a tshirt that says "I survived the Indoctrination Check of 2012", with (Damn you, Bioware!) in smaller writing beneath.

If we're right, sign me up for one of those. 

Ahah, one for me too 

I want one too. :innocent:

[J4N3_M3]

kent80082006 wrote...

For those who missed it, let me bring up something that is probably buried under about a hundred pages.

If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS) then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said 'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the reapers.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?

interesting point. I've always considered LOW EMS = shorter time span for exposure to the Reaper influence. 

[Wolf_in_the_Meadow]

This thread is growing too fast to read...

Anyway, in case this hasn't been mentioned, the art book which came with the N7CE has 3 pieces of information.

1) The final fight is supposed to be an actual fight, against a more Reaperised TIM.

2) Shepard never visits the keeper tunnels in ME3.

3) The Corridor of Death right after the beam was originally drawn up to be on TIM's station, right before you fight him.

Seems off if the final fight was changed randomly after the art book was finalised.


Also, don't know if this was mentioned, but why would all the humans in the Corridor of Death be dead and in piles if they were meant to be part of a Reaper? They melted them in ME2...

[Goikiu]

UKillMeLongTime wrote...

Here is an idea.
March release for this game and at the end of Year Bioshock Infinite is out and 'usually' this game is forgotten and then we have award seasons starting and Christmas Sales

What is around that time......DLC for this game answers everything being ranted about the ending ?

is this called some amazing marketing?
It damn sure has the chance to make it just that. I hope so.
If programmers are not working on this now shame on you Bioware for missing a chance to get this game back in the spotlight 6 to 8 months after it's launched

I play with xbox... every dlc use a different space on my HD, the Kasumi one is near 250MB i think... the prothean one (collector edition) is near 800MB. Isn't it a little too much? Maybe something it's hidden in that? 

[Nexus11]

Having just finished the game and being extremely disappointed with the ending, this theory has given me a shred of hope. For the most part it makes perfect sense (perhaps too much sense for a recent bioware game?? Thinking back to ME2s "everyone jump on the shuttle for no reason so the collectors can attack" plot device ). However if this theory is correct then it pretty much means bioware have to release an ending dlc.. though having to pay extra for a conclusion/a real ending seems like a rather lousy thing to do. Not as lousy as the current conclusion to this epic series is though .

[RobT2012]

Tsantilas wrote...

Rahabzu wrote...

Didn't you read the thread? This isn't the ending, you beat indoctrination and thats when you get the shepard breath scene.  According to the theory we're getting a dlc ending that expands upon after he wakes up.

Also people are saying they're waiting until everyone has their game (At least march 15) before they reveal anything. due to spoilers.

I read the thread... did you not read my post?  This is exactly my point.  What kind of game developer releases what is advertised as the final part of a trilogy, where the story is wrapped up, only you get to the end and it actually isn't the end because there will be DLC with the rest of the game after release?  Leaks and spoilers have always been part of video games.  Since when have companies started leaving out the end of a story because not everyone has beat the game yet?  It's like going to see a movie premier with the last 15 minutes cut out, saying that the rest will be released next week when everyone has had a chance to see it, because someone might have leaked it or whatever.

heard of a company called blizzard? They do this all the time with their wow expansions. Possibly first time its been done by a console game. It's frustrating as hell if true, but at the same time my elation in being able to get the ending i want at a delayed point in time would outweigh the frustration i am having right now.

[ArkkAngel007]

Ravax wrote...

http://www.examiner....effect-movement

WE ARE GETTING KNOWN!!

Also, if I search in google: "mass effect 3 endings"

these are the top results:

Why Mass Effect 3's Ending Was So Damn Terrible
Gamers Petition To Change Mass Effect 3 Ending - G4tv.com
Protests over ending of Mass Effect 3 show fan investment in story ...
Mass Effect 3 Endings Reception | Know Your Meme
Feature: Mass Effect 3's ending: Why the backlash is idiotic - but ...
The Mass Effect 3 Ending Backlash Continues To Gain Steam ...
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Retake Mass Effect movement - Honolulu ..

-------

So REGARDLESS if asia hasnt seen it released yet, all they have to do is google, and SHAZAAAAM, sales will go down because they will see the ending is a flop... granted it might be a minor decrease in sales, but its still money lost if they dare continue this sharade (granted they are 'tricking' us)

Just food for thought!

While congrats are in order in your goals beginning to be met, this isn't the point of this thread.  We already have about 20+ threads bashing the ending, and it can stay in those 20+ threads honestly.

The purpose here is to discuss the indoctrination theory about the endings.  If you don't agree, cool, it's good for there to be counter-arguments and what-not.  But spamming here with that just seems...out of place.

Not trying to be an **s, but it just doesn't seem to fit the discussion at all and just feels like spamming.

[pfeenix]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

hismastersvoice wrote...

Milvushina wrote...
Someone else had mentioned that Sovereign wasn't vulnerable until Saren was killed.  I watched a video of the final battle and as soon as they take out Saren, this red electricity shoots out of him, then the same stuff shoots out of Sovereign and the Alliance announces its shields have gone down.  Then they destroy Sovereign.

So perhaps if Shepard shakes off the Reaper's mind games, it kick starts the Crucible.  Though it still doesn't explain how it works, if the part where it explodes everything is a dream.

That's because Sovereign ASSUMED DIRECT CONTROL over Saren's body. Note that Harbinger released the collector overlord guy just before the final blast erased all collectors.

This probably means projecting themselves into hosts exposes Reapers to at least temporary incapacitation if the host dies while controlled.

actually a very interesting observation that I hadn't caught on yet. If Saren and the Collector bad guy were/would have been able to destroy ONE Reaper, then this only strengthens my theory that Shepard's mind destroyed all Reapers by activating the Crucible through whichever connection. 

It's something I haven't fully figured out yet but I'm pretty sure that through the indoctrination attempt Shepard is connected to the Citadel AND the Crucible because the Reapers are connected with the Citadel. Defying them works as Catalyst to activate the Crucible. 

I don't think the Child is the Catalyst. It doesn't make sense. The one who USES the Crucible is Shepard so Shepard is the Catalyst IMHO despite what the child says. And it takes Shepard defying the Reapers to activate the Crucible and destroying them. 

True, but if the child is just a figment of Shep's imagination, then in essence the child, as a part of Shep, is the Catalyst.

[GunMoth]

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".