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[BlackDragonBane]

So, any new developments?

[RevanchistStenn]

I find it very telling that the only real defense of the ending I've seen doesn't believe anything that happened in it.

[pencilboom]

I feel like I'm crazy now.. But I liked the idea..

[Rosalie]

I hope this is really only a form of indoctrination. There a too many signs that all is pure coincidence. I hope we get more information about it

[azereus2]

Hmm the last video of the old man and little girl talking about ¨the shepard¨. Could that be the citadel orbiting earth? I know the citadel is curve, but what is it is fully opened ( in flower mode ). Maybe you cant see the curve.

[ArkkAngel007]

Wolf_in_the_Meadow wrote...

This thread is growing too fast to read...

Anyway, in case this hasn't been mentioned, the art book which came with the N7CE has 3 pieces of information.

1) The final fight is supposed to be an actual fight, against a more Reaperised TIM.

2) Shepard never visits the keeper tunnels in ME3.

3) The Corridor of Death right after the beam was originally drawn up to be on TIM's station, right before you fight him.

Seems off if the final fight was changed randomly after the art book was finalised.


Also, don't know if this was mentioned, but why would all the humans in the Corridor of Death be dead and in piles if they were meant to be part of a Reaper? They melted them in ME2...

The art book states that they removed the TIM Monster and the Corridor of Death from Cronos Station.  I'm not quite sure where you are going with the keeper tunnel thing though.

[J4N3_M3]

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

has been mentioned before but thanks for bringing it up again so people can discuss it. 

[LolaLei]

kent80082006 wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

Ok so... Shepard passes out while talking to Hackett... and then the elevator thing takes Shepard up to where he meets the catalyst. Why not just let Shepard die where he passed out? The Catalyst has already won if he's supposedly this evil reaper god thing that lies to Shepard. It just doesn't make sense to me that it's all an elaborate scheme to trick him and indoctrinate him. Letting him die is a much easier solution.

For those who missed it, let me bring up something that is probably buried under about a hundred pages.

If you have a low EMS, the starchild says in an angry tone "Why are you here"
If you have a high EMS, the starchild says in a less intimidating tone "Wake up"

My explanation is if Shepherd could only gather a small fleet (low EMS) then he obviously didn't live up to the reapers' expectation, they will deem him unworthy of indoctrinating, which is why the starchild said 'why are you here' (assuming the whole choices thing is an attempt to indoctrinate him). In this scenario, Shepherd is expandable to the reapers and they didn't expect him to reach the elevator thing.

However if shepherd could gather a strong fleet (high EMS), then the reapers will deem Shepherd as a potential threat, they see power in Shpeherd that they can't comprehend, it's only natural that they would want to posses his powers to ensure successful harvest in future cycles, which is why they presented him with the control and sythesis option, since those two choices will allow the reapers to fully indoctrinate him.

Makes sense?

That makes sense.

Man, I really hope Bioware have a trick up their sleeve... surely all these subtle hints can't just be plot holes and oversight.

[Ravax]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ravax wrote...

http://www.examiner....effect-movement

WE ARE GETTING KNOWN!!

Also, if I search in google: "mass effect 3 endings"

these are the top results:

Why Mass Effect 3's Ending Was So Damn Terrible
Gamers Petition To Change Mass Effect 3 Ending - G4tv.com
Protests over ending of Mass Effect 3 show fan investment in story ...
Mass Effect 3 Endings Reception | Know Your Meme
Feature: Mass Effect 3's ending: Why the backlash is idiotic - but ...
The Mass Effect 3 Ending Backlash Continues To Gain Steam ...
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Retake Mass Effect movement - Honolulu ..

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So REGARDLESS if asia hasnt seen it released yet, all they have to do is google, and SHAZAAAAM, sales will go down because they will see the ending is a flop... granted it might be a minor decrease in sales, but its still money lost if they dare continue this sharade (granted they are 'tricking' us)

Just food for thought!

While congrats are in order in your goals beginning to be met, this isn't the point of this thread.  We already have about 20+ threads bashing the ending, and it can stay in those 20+ threads honestly.

The purpose here is to discuss the indoctrination theory about the endings.  If you don't agree, cool, it's good for there to be counter-arguments and what-not.  But spamming here with that just seems...out of place.

Not trying to be an **s, but it just doesn't seem to fit the discussion at all and just feels like spamming.

Mate, 90% of my posts on this thread were about the indoctrination theory which I support..
I dont see any harm in letting my fellow conspirators know the situation outside the confines of this particular thread if they hadnt found out..
Plus, the entire speculation behind this thread is built upon the premise that Bioware has yet to reveal the 'true' ending of ME3 (which is what we are all hoping for), and news like this just might be the beginning of a forcing hand for them to stop dancing around the tree and finally spit it out...

[UKillMeLongTime]

that Prothian DLC is kinda large indeed

[Wuyunk]

Ravax wrote...

http://www.examiner....effect-movement

WE ARE GETTING KNOWN!!

Also, if I search in google: "mass effect 3 endings"

these are the top results:

Why Mass Effect 3's Ending Was So Damn Terrible
Gamers Petition To Change Mass Effect 3 Ending - G4tv.com
Protests over ending of Mass Effect 3 show fan investment in story ...
Mass Effect 3 Endings Reception | Know Your Meme
Feature: Mass Effect 3's ending: Why the backlash is idiotic - but ...
The Mass Effect 3 Ending Backlash Continues To Gain Steam ...
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Retake Mass Effect movement - Honolulu ..

-------

So REGARDLESS if asia hasnt seen it released yet, all they have to do is google, and SHAZAAAAM, sales will go down because they will see the ending is a flop... granted it might be a minor decrease in sales, but its still money lost if they dare continue this sharade (granted they are 'tricking' us)

Just food for thought!

I'm not going along with this mainly because its just mindless backlash at the endings, ignoring everything that's been put together here.

This entire thread is based upon the theory that the endings aren't terrible and that there's some underlying reason for them being the way they are.

I'm not supporting something that's basically shouting "THESE ENDINGS SUCK CHANGE THE ENDINGS" when with the way this indoctrination theory has been pieced together, the ending's don't suck in the slightest, because they aren't the endings and are actually leading up to something that hasn't been done before in games.

That being said, I might be wrong, but too much of this fits perfectly at the moment to shout at Bioware for not knowing what they're doing, when the complete opposite might turn out to be the truth :/

[Dame_shandril]

Any one else noticed that in the stargazer sequence even if you have chosen synthesis the planet does not seams to be changed? Of course the camera is far away of any life form so it would be hard to tell.

[Goikiu]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

Ravax wrote...

http://www.examiner....effect-movement

WE ARE GETTING KNOWN!!

Also, if I search in google: "mass effect 3 endings"

these are the top results:

Why Mass Effect 3's Ending Was So Damn Terrible
Gamers Petition To Change Mass Effect 3 Ending - G4tv.com
Protests over ending of Mass Effect 3 show fan investment in story ...
Mass Effect 3 Endings Reception | Know Your Meme
Feature: Mass Effect 3's ending: Why the backlash is idiotic - but ...
The Mass Effect 3 Ending Backlash Continues To Gain Steam ...
Mass Effect 3 Ending: Retake Mass Effect movement - Honolulu ..

-------

So REGARDLESS if asia hasnt seen it released yet, all they have to do is google, and SHAZAAAAM, sales will go down because they will see the ending is a flop... granted it might be a minor decrease in sales, but its still money lost if they dare continue this sharade (granted they are 'tricking' us)

Just food for thought!

While congrats are in order in your goals beginning to be met, this isn't the point of this thread.  We already have about 20+ threads bashing the ending, and it can stay in those 20+ threads honestly.

The purpose here is to discuss the indoctrination theory about the endings.  If you don't agree, cool, it's good for there to be counter-arguments and what-not.  But spamming here with that just seems...out of place.

Not trying to be an **s, but it just doesn't seem to fit the discussion at all and just feels like spamming.

I'm not spamming... regardless of the topic name and "purpose" ... i think that what we're seeing right now isn't probably the real ending yet.
Using that as a pole the "doctrine"  wasn't something that need machine attached to your body? I don't see them... however Shepard have got a lot of em at the beginning of ME2 (as the Chackwas into infirmary remember you).

So one point that haven't been used is her, if you have all that mecha parts into you is it possible to be indoctrinated? But you don't seem like Saren or Tim...

[themidz]

do not know if somebody mentioned this but http://xbox360.ign.c.../1220617p1.html. it looks like bioware is working on dlc, but not on the kind we would like to see

Modifié par themidz, 13 mars 2012 - 03:56 .

[ArkkAngel007]

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

We discuseed that quite a bit, and how it reminded us of Kaidan's off-hand comment of hearing a hum near the Mass Effect Relay statue in ME1, and we all know how that turned out 

I always took that as the sound of the drive core as I can hear it in the shuttle bay, but you never know, especially with that example from the past.

[pfeenix]

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

Ha! The first hundred times he said it, I was like: Oh, no! He's being indoctrinated! 

Then I started accusing the dog, and Cortez (who was usually working on the Kodiak when Vega said it for me) for causeing the noise.

[Terran235]

This reminds me of when nathan drake is hallucinating. Except in uncharted 3 we dont have to buy a happy ending.

Terran235 wrote...

This reminds me of when nathan drake is hallucinating. Except in uncharted 3 we dont have to buy a happy ending.

Now that you mention it, that's kind of creepy. I wonder if the whole game is a hallucination.

Modifié par Terran235, 13 mars 2012 - 03:57 .

[njfluffy19]

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

This has been discussed. It's weird and so out of place that he says it, it's got to be significant.

[mmL]

If Bioware actually pulls this off, this might have been intended from the start. Which means the original story leak might have been intended as well...

[Goikiu]

mmL wrote...

If Bioware actually pulls this off, this might have been intended from the start. Which means the original story leak might have been intended as well...

Finishing it like a Fantasy story? It's possible after all. 

[Tsantilas]

RobT2012 wrote...

heard of a company called blizzard? They do this all the time with their wow expansions. Possibly first time its been done by a console game. It's frustrating as hell if true, but at the same time my elation in being able to get the ending i want at a delayed point in time would outweigh the frustration i am having right now.

False.  All WoW expansions to date have been wrapped up with a final encounter with the main antagonist of the expansion.  In fact I'd say they do the exact opposite, because when a new expansion is to be released they start building up towards it with patches before the expansion is even out.

In any case... a free patch that expands on the ending would be welcome, though I find it very unlikely that they planned it all along (if they even do release a patch or dlc with a different ending at all).  It's bad design imo.

As for the end of ME3 being a hallucination? Meh, I'm not completely rulling it out.  It seems very unlikely, and I dont find it any better than the plain old confusing space magic interperetation with the plot holes and unanswered questions.  Especially if it's all just a way to sell more DLC.

[Joneo]

Not sure if this has been brought up but i haven't seen it, (though i haven't checked all 300+ pages)

I realised something else whilst going back through the ending, at the point in which you're given the three choices if you look all around you 360 degrees the earth is seen ending at the same point on the horizon all the way around.

Now unless the earth is donut shaped and the citadel was in the middle surely you'd only be able to see that much of the earth on one side of the platform you're standing on due to the curvature of the earth.

Modifié par Joneo, 13 mars 2012 - 04:00 .

[AlexPorto111]

In mine opinion,a free DLC continuing after shepard wakes up,he is reboulding the galaxy,and trying to find the Normandy.No action,just an conversations DLC.And that most importantly,provides closure with all the charaters.

[Lost Cipher]

njfluffy19 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

This has been discussed. It's weird and so out of place that he says it, it's got to be significant.

They are in a cargo bay, where Cortez has been repairing stuff... like the Kodiak.

It makes more sense that he is just hearing work being done.

[GunMoth]

J4N3_M3 wrote...

GunMoth wrote...

More food for thought: Anyone else get the dialog with James Vega (he'll say it sometimes when he has nothing else to say) that says "Do you hear that humming noise? Or is that just me?".

has been mentioned before but thanks for bringing it up again so people can discuss it. 

That's what I get when I dont read the 300 pages worth of thread. ;_; Sorry about that!