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cerberus1701 wrote...
Even if the endings here are it, it's not that bad. You have spent 300+ pages exploring how the end is open to interpretation and, for the most part they are good ones.
So, if you have to, use that and finish it in your head. Make it end any way you want. Is it the same? No, but it can be satisfying all the same.
Especially if you're one of the ones that hate what you were shown.
Ravax wrote...
Ok, so has anyone seen any recent feedback from any of the Bioware dudes recently? twitter etc..?
Other than vague statements, no. Don't expect anything until next week or two weeks. Japan's release date is the 15th. If they said anything now, it could screw them over.Ravax wrote...
Ok, so has anyone seen any recent feedback from any of the Bioware dudes recently? twitter etc..?
simfamSP wrote...
Has anybody tried lowering the music and voice volume to zero and just listen to the sound effects?
Ravax wrote...
Ok, so has anyone seen any recent feedback from any of the Bioware dudes recently? twitter etc..?
ArkkAngel007 wrote...
Lambchopz wrote...
mr.surv wrote...
hmmm.
Maybe I miss something in whole series... but did Protheans ever build synthetics?
If not.....
Yeah, Javik says one of the main reasons the Protheans became a ruthless Empire and aggressively assimilated all Organic races was, in fact, to fight the Prothean equivalent of the Geth. This was before the Reapers in their cycle, so technically Vent Kid's claims about synthetics do hold some ground there.
Without becoming a bloodthirsty Empire, apparently they would have likely been over run and conquered by the machines he talks about. It wasn't until the Reapers showed up to aid them that they got the upper hand though.
Sounds like BioWare saying "See! Star Child's logic works!..... In some cycles!"
I think the way Javik puts it is that their mission was pointless in the end, as it was already clear, in reference to the Reapers, that synthetics had superceded organics, and had a long time ago.
The fact that the synthetics were able to actually control the mind and bodies of their makers...it reminded me of Synthesis in a way.
Vega is in front of the four soldiers lined up. From when you take control of Shepard, go down the ladder, out of the building, and straight ahead where four soldiers are lined up and saluting. He's standing in front of them.FugitiveMind wrote...
Ok, wife playing through the end currently, she's at the "go talk to Anderson, last farewells" section.
So you have Ash/Kaiden and the comm terminal for the non-crew on the bottom, and everyone else on the way up to Anderson. The following happened to me and I shrugged it off, but happened to the wife as well leading to the following question:
Where the heck is Vega?
Did we both just manage to miss him, or is he conspicuously absent?
Two options:
1) We're both blind and missed him
2) Consipracy theorists can go crazy with it
FugitiveMind wrote...
Ok, wife playing through the end currently, she's at the "go talk to Anderson, last farewells" section.
So you have Ash/Kaiden and the comm terminal for the non-crew on the bottom, and everyone else on the way up to Anderson. The following happened to me and I shrugged it off, but happened to the wife as well leading to the following question:
Where the heck is Vega?
Did we both just manage to miss him, or is he conspicuously absent?
Two options:
1) We're both blind and missed him
2) Consipracy theorists can go crazy with it
FugitiveMind wrote...
Ok, wife playing through the end currently, she's at the "go talk to Anderson, last farewells" section.
So you have Ash/Kaiden and the comm terminal for the non-crew on the bottom, and everyone else on the way up to Anderson. The following happened to me and I shrugged it off, but happened to the wife as well leading to the following question:
Where the heck is Vega?
Did we both just manage to miss him, or is he conspicuously absent?
Two options:
1) We're both blind and missed him
2) Consipracy theorists can go crazy with it
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Modifié par Fattness132, 13 mars 2012 - 04:57 .
He's right outside the exit of the building you start in, facing a bunch of other soldiers. He's admittedly pretty easy to miss.FugitiveMind wrote...
Ok, wife playing through the end currently, she's at the "go talk to Anderson, last farewells" section.
So you have Ash/Kaiden and the comm terminal for the non-crew on the bottom, and everyone else on the way up to Anderson. The following happened to me and I shrugged it off, but happened to the wife as well leading to the following question:
Where the heck is Vega?
Did we both just manage to miss him, or is he conspicuously absent?
If I remember correctly he's off to the left of where you spawn in at talking to some troops by Makos. I had a nice conversation with him.Where the heck is Vega?
Would also like to add that it seems like the indoctrination dreams shepard is having throught ME3 seem to only serve the purpose of breaking him down and have him question himself and the mission of destroying the reapers. The child is a symbol of his failure to save everyone, notice also that when mordin and others sacrifice themselves for the cause their voices end up in the nightmares. The catylist convo, in my mind, is testing your resolve to fight on, and is using the image of the child to weaken that resolve by showing you the symbol of what shep sees as his failure.jackncoke28 wrote...
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jackncoke28 wrote...
Just wanted to comment about the argument on why would reapers give you the option to destroy them. The indoctrination argument stipulates that shepard never actually got to the citadel, the choices are in your head. I would argue that the choices aren't really between controling, synthesizing, or destroying. They are basically
1. Giving in to reaper idiology while maintaining some of who you are (control)
2. Completely giving in to reaper ideology (synthesis)
3. Not giving in, and continuing to fight. (Destroy)
And by reaper idiology I mean there idea about the need for order in the universe (put forth by the "catalyst") and the inevitability of the organic's destruction by the harbingers of that synthetic order, the catalyst uses this argument to creat a sense of how useless it will be to keep fighting, and using the image of the boy has the added effect of reminding Shepard that he won't be able to save every one if he does continue to fight, an attempt to break his will. The first 2 choices, IMO, are shepard giving in to the arguments the reapers have made in ME1,2,and most of 3, via indoctrinated Saren, Sovereign, Harbinger, and indoctrinated TIM.
The reason for the indoctrination I believe, is to break the resistance of the allied forces. Shepard represents their hope, their belief that they can win this fight. We learned from javik that the prothean reaper war lasted his entire life, and the major disadvantage was that they were a homogeneous empire. So even with that disadvantage the held out for at least a couple decades. This cycle has multiple races fighting in tandem, and it has the catalyst weapon. This cycle has the best chance of defeating them and they know it. Martyring Shepard does not help their cause, they need him broken.
Wow, I didn't intend to go this far lol, I guess that's what great stories do to someone
Beautifully put.
Also to add to argument against synthesis, wasnt synthesing and evolving into perfect being promised to the geth heratics by the reapers?
Dilandau3000 wrote...
He's right outside the exit of the building you start in, facing a bunch of other soldiers. He's admittedly pretty easy to miss.FugitiveMind wrote...
Ok, wife playing through the end currently, she's at the "go talk to Anderson, last farewells" section.
So you have Ash/Kaiden and the comm terminal for the non-crew on the bottom, and everyone else on the way up to Anderson. The following happened to me and I shrugged it off, but happened to the wife as well leading to the following question:
Where the heck is Vega?
Did we both just manage to miss him, or is he conspicuously absent?
MDT1 wrote...
Darjeer wrote...
I agree with the DLC part, but don't so much with the "Crucible has been destroyed". Catalyst is the main force behind the whole reaper threat, so we might have to throw benelovent god -assumptions out of the window. Wouldn't this whole ending scenario be win-win-win-win for Catalyst? Synthesis would be permanent solution to his problem, control would leave all the reapers alive, destroy would pretty much be the reset they try to achieve and doing nothing would destroy Crucible and ensure that reapers can just continue with their plan.
But the catalyst says this proves that the cycle doesn't work any more, he agrees that action must be taken.
If he is what he claims to be he has no intention to lie here but to help Shepard and meanwhile preventing the reapers to destroy the crucible.
But if he is not what he claims to be, ME3 can't be finished yet.
Noob451 wrote...
LolaLei wrote...
Also, we have no idea what Cerberus installed on the Normandy when they recreated it in ME2, who's to say TiM didn't use Reaper tech to form the structure of the ship?
parts from sovereign were used to make the SR2 and EDI (EDI was also the rogue VI on luna idk if that's worth mentioning)
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