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[Smiley556]

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
check the link he refers to

Modifié par Smiley556, 13 mars 2012 - 05:13 .

[Auresta]

kent80082006 wrote...

Auresta wrote...

No one addressed this person's question and I'd like to see insight, in relation to low EMS and high EMS affecting the star-brat's dialogue and choices offered:

"Yes, it does, but I've also heard that if you saved the collector base in ME2 that the only default option you get with a low EMS on the citadel is Control, whereas if you don't save the base your only low EMS option is Destroy. Has anyone personally seen this proved?"

You're right someone need to examine that.

I haven't seen it personally but from what I heard it seems that the destroy option is always available along side with the control option, whereas the destroy option could appear alone. So the player is never forced to choose the control option. 

But we need confirmation

Bumping so people see this.

[Elendstourist]

Rob_K1 wrote...

Heh... someone else posted the first quote below, but I haven't seen the second one posted yet:

Mass Effect Twitter

Quote 1: @masseffect The ending to ME3 is so sad though beautiful. But i'm left with so many questions that need answers.

@sebastianmetto Hang in there.

Quote 2:

@masseffect Do you think fans can become indoctrinated by Bioware

@reibback_flam Shhh.... Absolutely not! *shifty eyes*

(Those quotes were within 30 minutes of posting this.)

Edit: Heh, Kent... at least you didn't post the other quote I did though.

The second answer is pretty clear. First the "Shhhhh" like you are saying something they dont want you to. Then the "shifty eyes". English is not my mother tongue, but I'd understand this like they are trying to hide something.

If they have an agreement so confirm nothing, these messages are the most we get right now.

[jackncoke28]

Milvushina wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

k8ee wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Just wanted to comment about the argument on why would reapers give you the option to destroy them. The indoctrination argument stipulates that shepard never actually got to the citadel, the choices are in your head. I would argue that the choices aren't really between controling, synthesizing, or destroying. They are basically
1. Giving in to reaper idiology while maintaining some of who you are (control)
2. Completely giving in to reaper ideology (synthesis)
3. Not giving in, and continuing to fight. (Destroy)
And by reaper idiology I mean there idea about the need for order in the universe (put forth by the "catalyst") and the inevitability of the organic's destruction by the harbingers of that synthetic order, the catalyst uses this argument to creat a sense of how useless it will be to keep fighting, and using the image of the boy has the added effect of reminding Shepard that he won't be able to save every one if he does continue to fight, an attempt to break his will. The first 2 choices, IMO, are shepard giving in to the arguments the reapers have made in ME1,2,and most of 3, via indoctrinated Saren, Sovereign, Harbinger, and indoctrinated TIM.

The reason for the indoctrination I believe, is to break the resistance of the allied forces. Shepard represents their hope, their belief that they can win this fight. We learned from javik that the prothean reaper war lasted his entire life, and the major disadvantage was that they were a homogeneous empire. So even with that disadvantage the held out for at least a couple decades. This cycle has multiple races fighting in tandem, and it has the catalyst weapon. This cycle has the best chance of defeating them and they know it. Martyring Shepard does not help their cause, they need him broken.
Wow, I didn't intend to go this far lol, I guess that's what great stories do to someone

Beautifully put.

Thank You

Also to add to argument against synthesis, wasnt synthesing and evolving into perfect being promised to the geth heratics by the reapers?

Would also like to add that it seems like the indoctrination dreams shepard is having throught ME3 seem to only serve the purpose of breaking him down and have him question himself and the mission of destroying the reapers. The child is a symbol of his failure to save everyone, notice also that when  mordin and others sacrifice themselves for the cause their voices end up in the nightmares. The catylist convo, in my mind, is testing your resolve to fight on, and is using the image of the child to weaken that resolve by showing you the symbol of what shep sees as his failure.

What Shep ultimately wants most is to save everybody.  It's the one thing that eats away at him the whole game.  Two endings offer him a chance to do that, even to save his synthetic friends, if he wants.  Too good to be true.  The reapers play on your innermost vulnerabilities, such as TIM's concern for humanity, Saren's desire to not see all organic life wiped out etc.  

Agreed, it's interesting that this idea of wanting save everyone seems to be a running theme throughout ME3, One of the 1st conversations with anderson after repear intial attack is about that very thing. Also interesting is that most paragon answers on the topic of the repear wars toll have a tinge of dispare, where as renegade answers about it tend to emphasis the positive and victory

[Lambchopz]

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
check the link he refers to

Yeah I saw that. Bit of a dick move.

[mmL]

It would be so funny from Bioware if they released percentages of how many people chose Control, Synthesis and Destroy in their first playthrough. According to this theory, everyone not choosing Destroy has been indoctrinated

[Noob451]

kent80082006 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

https://twitter.com/...611387641856000

@masseffect The ending to ME3 is so sad though beautiful. But i'm left with so many questions that need answers.

@sebastianmetto Hang in there...

o_O!

That's... very, very interesting. Seems almost cruel to tell him that if that's he gets.

Hang in there as in:
1. Hang in there! A patch will be available soon to solve all your problems!
2. Hang in there! There's more to life than mourning over a video game character, move on!

I sure hope it's 1

as do I

[JediNg]

Elanor1 wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

Fattness132 wrote...

I find this very fitting music for reading this thread hehe.

http://www.youtubere.../?v=qtF5nlQraog

Dude, I'm hearing this music since sunday. This fits perfectly to this thread too

I don't know why but I really don't like this music.
It makes me depressed. xD

I have "Mars" or "Rannoch" in my head whilst reading this thread.

[Tsantilas]

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

[Wuyunk]

Jedib2 wrote...

There is something I noticed in the Destroy ending....

Shepard survives. So, if the Citadel/Crucible really exploded, wouldn't he have burn up in reentry, Suffocated to death with no helmet, died on impact or just been incinerated in the explosion?

I take it you're new here 

[BlackDragonBane]

Ecmoose wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

 

Going to analyze somethings that have been brought up before, but bear repeating.

0:40 - you hear, I'm assuming, Coates over the comm channel go 'God... they're all gone.'

0:46 - you hear the following conversation:
- Female voice: Did we get anyone to the beam?
- Coates; Negative. Our entire force was decimated

Now, if this was reality, Coates would have seen Shepard get up from where they had fallen and approaching the beam. Such is not the case. The comm link just goes silent from that point.

at about 1:00, Shepard picks up the magic infinte god pistol



If you look behind you, the ENTIRE background is blurred beyond recognition and much of the area you JUST passed through appears to be missing. There is also the two dead trees that were not there during the mad dash approach to the Conduit.

2:31 - You hear Anderson over the comm link, yet if Coates is correct and the team is wiped out, how is Anderson contacting Shepard?

2:55 - When asked if he is up in the Citadel as well, Anderson says he followed Shepard up, yet we did not see him ANYWHERE on the battlefield. Plus, he says 'we' distinctly, meaning others made it on the Citadel, yet we don't see them and they supposedly were dropped off somewhere else by the Conduit.

3:30 - Shepard picks up ANOTER infite god-pistol. What happened to the one he/she just had? If you noticed before, the first pistol is mysteriously gone.

4:56 - The movine panels bear a striking resemblence to the engine system on the Shadow Broker's ship. This may be just level design but if you look on either side, it goes as far as you can see and you see no other avenues of reaching the console room.

6:00 - Somehow, Anderson beats Shepard to the console room despite there being no other paths and not seeing Anderson either behind or in front of you until this point.

6:13 - The Huskified Illusive Man is suddenly right behind you and there was no indication he was even ON the Citadel. You also begin to hear whispers as he talks and the oily black shadows appear on the edges of the screen. You will also hear a Reaper like deep trilling noise accompanying this.

8:15 - TIM forces Shepard to shoot Anderson. Jump to 8:22 and pay VERY CLOSE attention to where Anderson has their hand.



Notice where Shepard's arm is and the fact that she is suddenly bleeding profusely when she wasn't moments prior to shooting Anderson? Look again when Shepard is outside the Citadel and talking to Catalyst.


Notice the blood on her arm is suddenly gone?

There are WAY too many inconsistences in just the scene leading up to meeting Catalyst for it not to be anything more than an indoctrinated halluciation. There's is symbolism in the conversaiton with Anderson and TIM, missing envrionments and added elements that weren't there before. There is too much 'wrong' with this whole sequence for it to be oversight on Bioware developers. SOMETHING is going on here beyond what we've seen.

For the non-believers, new comers, and those that might have missed it.

I'm going to be working on my own little vid once I have all the footage compiled of the application of the indoctrination theory through all the games and DLC.

I like this post. I'm just going to debunk one part of it. The Prothean VI tells us that TIM is on the Citadel when we leave the Cerberus base. So, TIM showing up isn't too surprising and doesn't seem like proof of hallucination, just Shepard using information he knows to populate his dream.

The only problem with that debunk, however, is that there is no sign of Cerebrus troops on the run or anywhere on the Citadel. I highly doubt the Illusive Man was able to just waltz through Reaper troops to reach the Conduit or docked on the Citadel itself considering it was closed up until Shepard reaches the console.

IF TIM was actually there BEFORE Shepard, where was he hiding? The path to the console room is very direct, with only one entrance and no place for anyone to hide. TIM's appearance causes the 'oily shadows' through out the conversation whenever he is exerting his powers of 'control' something he had no pechant for doing before and with condition similiar to Saren, shouldn't be possible (aside from the explaination the implants gave TIM biotic-like powers, but never seen biotics do things like actually control someone's movements.)

EDIT: What I'm getting at is if TIM was in that location specifically, how did he know Shepard was there and how did he reach it? So far, the only way in is the hallway the Conduit drops you in. I'm not saying that TIM ISN'T on the station, just that he can't or couldn't be in that specific area unless Shepard is hallucinating it.

Modifié par BlackDragonBane, 13 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Fattness132]

mmL wrote...

It would be so funny from Bioware if they released percentages of how many people chose Control, Synthesis and Destroy in their first playthrough. According to this theory, everyone not choosing Destroy has been indoctrinated

I too think this would be a very interesting statistic to put out along with the completed endings (assuming this thread is correct).

[FrostByte-GER]

I know that this has been already mentoined, but I think that this is the unofficial confirmation for our theory https://twitter.com/...466814907101184

[Bfler]

When you rename the newgameplus-file to autosave and try to load it, the sequence with of your choice on the Citadel starts. In my case it was Shepart destroying the red device with his gun. 
I think that can be an argument for DLC after the current ending.

Modifié par Bfler, 13 mars 2012 - 05:19 .

[Descedent]

Tsantilas wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

unless it's space magic, he didn't fall from space and land on his back on earth without burning up entering the earths atmosphere, you would splatter into a million pieces, given your body even made it past the atmosphere.

[MDT1]

Lambchopz wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
check the link he refers to

Yeah I saw that. Bit of a dick move.

Well, but if I understand it right, the threat he linked to expects also a real ending dlc.

Modifié par MDT1, 13 mars 2012 - 05:18 .

[Noob451]

Descedent wrote...

Tsantilas wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

unless it's space magic, he didn't fall from space and land on his back on earth without burning up entering the earths atmosphere, you would splatter into a million pieces, given your body even made it past the atmosphere.

which means he never left london

[Smiley556]

MDT1 wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
check the link he refers to

Yeah I saw that. Bit of a dick move.

Well, but if I understand it right, the threat he linked to expects also a real ending dlc.

For people who dont feel like reading the whole thing. Someone asked an explenation on the ending. Mod closed his thread and refered him to a thread which explains the indoctrination theory in full and hints at real ending DLC.

Modifié par Smiley556, 13 mars 2012 - 05:20 .

[Lambchopz]

Tsantilas wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

Simple answer? We don't. There's no way to say whether this is for sure or not.

However, it's hard to imagine any other place besides London or some kind of city on Earth that would look like that last scene.

It certainly doesn't look like the Citadel, if that's what you are implying. In this case, the believability falls much more on London or at least some decrepit city on Earth.

I think maybe the problem here is this theory tries to assess this as if the ending had a logical explanation, while as others just throw up their arms and say "no, it's bad there's no way around it."

As true as it may be that it's simply bad, this theory remains plausible and that is the most important part really. It offers BioWare an easy way out if they want to take it.

[Elenterx]

Mini Jo wrote...

Elenterx wrote...

Anyone else pissed off at that IGN article talking about ME3 Multiplayer dlc coming up?

This is not what this thread is about.

Yes but it could very well be the "special something" the devs have been saying will make you want to keep your copy.

Which would make me a sad panda.

[Elmogaming]

Well.... im begining to belive that.. they care but cant face the endless amount of people telling them straight

[Neuthung]

Tsantilas wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

It has to be because it's the only thing that makes sense. The Citadel was high in the atmosphere of Earth, if Shep was really there, there's no way he re-enters earth with half of his pressurized suit destroyed and no helmet. The ONLY viable explanations are the indoctrination theory or studio oversight by Bioware.

[Capeo]

There is no hallucination. The Synergy ending opens last. It's easier to get control and destroy. The leaked script goes so far to say that the Synergy ending is the "perfect ending" that you're working towards. Not to mention the epilogue fires no matter what and it clearly shows that the Reapers have been defeated and the relays are gone. None of that would make sense if were an indoctrinated hallucination.

[MDT1]

Smiley556 wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Lambchopz wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8
check the link he refers to

Yeah I saw that. Bit of a dick move.

Well, but if I understand it right, the threat he linked to expects also a real ending dlc.

For people who dont feel like reading the whole thing. Someone asked an explenation on the ending. Mod closed his thread and refered him to a thread which explains the indoctrination theory in full and hints at real ending DLC.

Yes, if Stanley Woo wasn't trolling, this is the first "official" sign, that we are right.

[blah64]

Tsantilas wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Just a thought...... even if the citadel has some sort of spooky science magic, that would allow a person to freefal from space and survive..... what the hell are the chances of you falling all the way from that distance back to london streets? 

How do we know he lands in london?  All we see in the cinematic is rubble and a bit of burnt armor.  It could be anywhere.

Technically we don't I suppose, unless someone has acess to information that I do not, but the similarities are quite clear. Besdies, the more important part is that he would have some how needed to survive rentry....and then land on earth instead of water...and then have it be in a urban environment instead of rural....and then have that urban environment by made of stone and concrete instead of other building materials such as the metal we saw in the begging of the game. Or....he never left London.