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[Kloborgg711]

Foulpancake wrote...


what about that twitter quote we found the other day that was something along the lines of "You'll want to keep your ME3 copy...well forever"

What about it? It's an incredibly vague comment that could mean anything. He could be talking about an Omega DLC, or a map pack, or just a new weapon pack. He later tweeted that  he wasn't sure what people were talking about when they mentioned DLC. That's hardly proof of anything aside from "they probably aren't completely done with supporting future DLC", but that's a far cry from validating this elaborate theory.

[lavosslayer]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
If you are going to make a choice, you better be prepared to own up to it.

Bull. You can't expect people to reason out that the product they bought is incomplete. 

Perhaps not the casual gamer no...but anyone that plays hardcore and goes through Mass Effect 10, 11 and 12 times knows how the system works with games these days...I can't help but hold them accountable for that decision.

Modifié par lavosslayer, 11 mars 2012 - 02:39 .

[Daedrus_0837]

MPSai wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

ok, days old memory here...

early on in the story, you're getting ready for a mission, discussing it around the table and there's a few seconds of the cutscene that flashes outside the room to an almost through glass looking shot of someone(thing) sneaking around outside the room listening in.

the mission then goes south because cerberus was there with no way for them to have known what you were doing unless there was a mole.

if anyone can lay the specifics out on what I'm shoddily remembering it'd be appreciated, but I'd love to tie that in with the hidden indoctrination device.

I'd find it myself but I don't remember exactly where it was early on, and my wife is playing...

Are you talking about the Sur'Kesh mission? I always thought the mole was a salarian (and it might still be) but that would make a lot of sense.

Huh, yeah there was talk about someone leaking information to Cerberus and then the subplot was just dropped. Unless Kai Leng was hanging out on the ship.. ugh.

"Hey guys, who let the sword wearing rejected X-Men character onboard??"

In all seriousness, though, that seen takes place inside the War Room, which has a secured entrance. Nobody is getting in there.

[Kloborgg711]

Sajuro wrote...

Still, their own perogative if they can't find anything good about the game to keep and I don't think they would buy DLC if they said "I don't like this game, I will sell it"

What, why? As it is right now, I don't feel the slightest inclination to replay ME3, in fact I feel like the ending ruined ME1 and ME2 for me to a degree. If they released a "real ending" DLC that would entirely change my mind. I won't sell my copy, but I easily could and I could justify that decision. If I did that, I would have full justification to be outraged if I later learned the developer lied about the game.

[AvianCat]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

AvianCat wrote...


We are all mad about the ending, that is why we are trying to say that this ending is fake. We are making ourselves feel better with this doubt. You trying to poke holes in our theory is making people feel worse or just angry so could you just please drop it? You are not helping anyone.

Are you serious? I'm not allowed to take a critical look at this conspiracy because it might hurt you? I'm just as hurt as anyone at what happened in the end, but I don't think wishful thinking is going to get us out of this. My skepticism will not affect the likelihood of whether or not Bioware is trolling us with this ending. I'm not going to stop being reasonable because it might hurt you, no, sorry.

This is what I'm talking about! IT'S THEORY, we all know what has really happened, the game has left us in a slump and we need to vent. I understand you are trying to do the same, but why try to shoot it down? It is not like we are saying that this is going to happen, we are just trying to justify how and why it should even if it is just to ourselves.

[omgBAMF]

Sajuro wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...


Sorry that bothers you so much...but the evidence in the game seems to be to the contrary...I feel bad for the person who sold the game out of frustration/saddness or whatever emotion it is that made them feel that was a good idea. However they should have waited a few weeks to see what Bioware's plans were before hocking it at the local gamestop...

Why should they have waited a few weeks? How often do publishers announce that their game is incomplete after release? The longer they wait, the less money they'll get from selling their copy back. Sure maybe, if they were one of the relative few who came to this thread and worked it all out like this they might consider keeping it, but most players obviously won't. For most it's

"I don't like this game. I will sell it"
not
"I don't like this game. I'll hold on to it for a month in the hope that the company was just lying to me and they'll give me what I really want"

Still, their own perogative if they can't find anything good about the game to keep and I don't think they would buy DLC if they said "I don't like this game, I will sell it"

@kloborgg I would also add that EA would love to see a jump in used game sales.  That would mean MORE online passes to be sold, which equals more money for investers.  Also, there was that tweet about "holding on to your ME3 copy".

[Ghrelt]

If this was a deliberate false ending they need to release the real one within two weeks or it'll just seem like they screwed up and made "fixer" DLC in order to placate the fans. It also needs to be free.

[Kloborgg711]

lavosslayer wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
If you are going to make a choice, you better be prepared to own up to it.

Bull. You can't expect people to reason out that the product they bought is incomplete. 

Perhaps not the casual gamer no...but anyone that plays hardcore and goes through Mass Effect 10, 11 and 12 times knows how the system works with games these days...I can't help but hold them accountable for that decision.

And why do you decide that the "casual gamer" deserves to be ripped off? Stop saying you can't "hold them accountable". You know full well this isn't a fair scenario to put gamers in.

[Sajuro]

MPSai wrote...

Sajuro wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

humes spork wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Good work, humes. You have been invaluable to this thread, I must say.

I'd bet cash there's an Indoctrination device on the Normandy. The more I think about it, the more it makes sense. For all the traffic, deliveries, overhauls, and such the SR-2 had underwent it would have been nothing for a sleeper or Cerberus agent to sneak one onboard.

ok, days old memory here...

early on in the story, you're getting ready for a mission, discussing it around the table and there's a few seconds of the cutscene that flashes outside the room to an almost through glass looking shot of someone(thing) sneaking around outside the room listening in.

the mission then goes south because cerberus was there with no way for them to have known what you were doing unless there was a mole.

if anyone can lay the specifics out on what I'm shoddily remembering it'd be appreciated, but I'd love to tie that in with the hidden indoctrination device.

I'd find it myself but I don't remember exactly where it was early on, and my wife is playing...

Are you talking about the Sur'Kesh mission? I always thought the mole was a salarian (and it might still be) but that would make a lot of sense.

Huh, yeah there was talk about someone leaking information to Cerberus and then the subplot was just dropped. Unless Kai Leng was hanging out on the ship.. ugh.

Thessia, Cerberus some how found out about the Artifact that the Asari had kept to themselves all this time as soon as Shepard did and got there before him to set the trap.
Sanctuary, a Reason TIM could have told Leng not to go out of his way to kill Miranda was that he knew Shepard was on his way if not already there and another encounter without the gunship for backup would have ended poorly for Kai Leng.

[FugitiveMind]

Daedrus_0837 wrote...

"Hey guys, who let the sword wearing rejected X-Men character onboard??"

In all seriousness, though, that seen takes place inside the War Room, which has a secured entrance. Nobody is getting in there.

Except for the people that were already on board the Normandy when it left Earth. I seem to remember Traynor talking about it, and how they all got assigned to the war room.

[Kloborgg711]

AvianCat wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

AvianCat wrote...


We are all mad about the ending, that is why we are trying to say that this ending is fake. We are making ourselves feel better with this doubt. You trying to poke holes in our theory is making people feel worse or just angry so could you just please drop it? You are not helping anyone.

Are you serious? I'm not allowed to take a critical look at this conspiracy because it might hurt you? I'm just as hurt as anyone at what happened in the end, but I don't think wishful thinking is going to get us out of this. My skepticism will not affect the likelihood of whether or not Bioware is trolling us with this ending. I'm not going to stop being reasonable because it might hurt you, no, sorry.

This is what I'm talking about! IT'S THEORY, we all know what has really happened, the game has left us in a slump and we need to vent. I understand you are trying to do the same, but why try to shoot it down? It is not like we are saying that this is going to happen, we are just trying to justify how and why it should even if it is just to ourselves.

It's clear many people here honestly believe this is the case, it's not like people are RPing here. I'm sorry if I'm shattering your fantasy here, but I'm having a conversation about reality.

[lookingglassmind]

Klo: don't apologize. You've stated how heartbroken you have been by the endings. You're just acting as the anchor in the idea-storm we're having. It's appreciated.

[Kloborgg711]

omgBAMF wrote...
@kloborgg I would also add that EA would love to see a jump in used game sales.  That would mean MORE online passes to be sold, which equals more money for investers.  Also, there was that tweet about "holding on to your ME3 copy".

Again, that tweet means next to nothing, and I still won't buy that any company would think such an outrageous lie could be a good idea. You're implying that EA wants people to sell used copies by witholding information about the real ending? What a despicable idea. I don't think you truly believe this either.

[FugitiveMind]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

It's clear many people here honestly believe this is the case, it's not like people are RPing here. I'm sorry if I'm shattering your fantasy here, but I'm having a conversation about reality.

Ah yes reality....
We have dismissed those claims...

We're trying to rationalize what we've been given so we can continue playing without feeling so empty about it.

No need to pee on our corn flakes...

[humes spork]

FugitiveMind wrote...

I want to say it was right before Sur'kesh, but I can't remember. Now I need to troll youtube and hope against all hope I find something...

EDIT: or everyone could answer while I was responding LOL

Yeah, that sounds right. And, I think this whole thing about Vega hearing noises is important.

The last time there was a goofball, out of place, throwaway line like that in a Mass Effect game it was Kaiden talking about the Conduit.

[lavosslayer]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
If you are going to make a choice, you better be prepared to own up to it.

Bull. You can't expect people to reason out that the product they bought is incomplete. 

Perhaps not the casual gamer no...but anyone that plays hardcore and goes through Mass Effect 10, 11 and 12 times knows how the system works with games these days...I can't help but hold them accountable for that decision.

And why do you decide that the "casual gamer" deserves to be ripped off? Stop saying you can't "hold them accountable". You know full well this isn't a fair scenario to put gamers in.

I"m not justifying them "ripping" anyone off...I"m just saying that I don't expect a casual gamer to understand that they need to stick it out before giving up...hardcore gamers tend to understand this sad truth a little better which is why I said I can't help but hold the hardcore gamer accountable for /ragequitting before the intentions for the future DLC are made known...

[Sajuro]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

Sajuro wrote...
If you are going to make a choice, you better be prepared to own up to it.

Bull. You can't expect people to reason out that the product they bought is incomplete. 

Perhaps not the casual gamer no...but anyone that plays hardcore and goes through Mass Effect 10, 11 and 12 times knows how the system works with games these days...I can't help but hold them accountable for that decision.

And why do you decide that the "casual gamer" deserves to be ripped off? Stop saying you can't "hold them accountable". You know full well this isn't a fair scenario to put gamers in.

Again, I don't think someone who didn't play the first two would be nearly as outraged by the ending or have the yearning for more DLC
I got rid of New Vegas before three DLCs came out, and at least one of them was a subplot cut from the main game, I dealt with it.

[Kitten Tactics]

Kloborgg711 wrote...

It's clear many people here honestly believe this is the case, it's not like people are RPing here. I'm sorry if I'm shattering your fantasy here, but I'm having a conversation about reality.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your comments, truly.  I got a *bit* too wrapped up in it.  Although it makes a lot of sense in certain areas, I sort of need to get back to realizing that they just messed up.  I want it to be something it's probably not.

And if it is, awesome!  But I am getting too excited for something it's not.  I still never saw Shepard stand up to the Catalyst or the Reapers.  I still never got my closure.  Bioware still screwed me.

[Daedrus_0837]

humes spork wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I want to say it was right before Sur'kesh, but I can't remember. Now I need to troll youtube and hope against all hope I find something...

EDIT: or everyone could answer while I was responding LOL

Yeah, that sounds right. And, I think this whole thing about Vega hearing noises is important.

The last time there was a goofball, out of place, throwaway line like that in a Mass Effect game it was Kaiden talking about the Conduit.

Please elaborate. I always kill Kaiden in ME1 because i'm apparently p*-whipped by sexy pixels.

[MPSai]

Kitten Tactics wrote...

Kloborgg711 wrote...

It's clear many people here honestly believe this is the case, it's not like people are RPing here. I'm sorry if I'm shattering your fantasy here, but I'm having a conversation about reality.

From the bottom of my heart, thank you for your comments, truly.  I got a *bit* too wrapped up in it.  Although it makes a lot of sense in certain areas, I sort of need to get back to realizing that they just messed up.  I want it to be something it's probably not.

And if it is, awesome!  But I am getting too excited for something it's not.  I still never saw Shepard stand up to the Catalyst or the Reapers.  I still never got my closure.  Bioware still screwed me.

Yeah but a little willful fan amnesia never hurt anyone. 

[k8ee]

I can't remember, but does Udina seem indoctrinated or just working for Cerberus?

I mean, the prothean keeps saying that it was their leaders that became indoctrinated and gave in. Even if they are just given the suggestion, look at that chick from Arrival. She seemed fine until she took you to the room with the artifact, then BAM.

The reason why this whole dream idea makes sense is because there is no way for them to sell more DLC if the game becomes unplayable. Thus you create a new ending DLC, which you only get to play if you are able to choose destroy the reapers. People who played the game and liked it, or hated it don't have to dl this - maybe the ending for their Shep is to die in the rubble... the ending DLC would simply be an option to add to the story (and they lure people on to look at other DLC they have for sale)

[Kloborgg711]

Sajuro wrote...

Again, I don't think someone who didn't play the first two would be nearly as outraged by the ending or have the yearning for more DLC
I got rid of New Vegas before three DLCs came out, and at least one of them was a subplot cut from the main game, I dealt with it.

A subplot is not a "real ending to substitute the fake one we gave you". What about someone who did play the first two, and loved them, but doesn't participate on these forums? Someone who simply believed Bioware made a gigantic creative mistake, and sold their game because they honestly believed that was it. Maybe they're in a bad money situation, and every little bit counts. Believe me, if Bioware does try something like this, there will be lawsuits.

[Sajuro]

Daedrus_0837 wrote...

humes spork wrote...

FugitiveMind wrote...

I want to say it was right before Sur'kesh, but I can't remember. Now I need to troll youtube and hope against all hope I find something...

EDIT: or everyone could answer while I was responding LOL

Yeah, that sounds right. And, I think this whole thing about Vega hearing noises is important.

The last time there was a goofball, out of place, throwaway line like that in a Mass Effect game it was Kaiden talking about the Conduit.

Please elaborate. I always kill Kaiden in ME1 because i'm apparently p*-whipped by sexy pixels.

When you pass by the relay statue in the first game he says something about him getting a tingling feeling from it.

[Kitten Tactics]

MPSai wrote...

Yeah but a little willful fan amnesia never hurt anyone. 

Of course not!  And at least now I feel a little hopeful that I'll be able to play these games again, thanks to this theory.  But it's always been hard for me to headcanon.  I can never seem to push out the actual ending that I know is the actual ending.  If they don't actually follow through with fixing the endings, I don't want to set myself up for it.