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[mmL]

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

[Savber100]

holyshock18 wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

I'd say a more telling tweet was a retweet from MikeGamble:

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

It basically points to an article from penny arcade explaining why the current ending is good as it is... If that isn't hope-shattering I don't know what is...

Did you guys intentionally ignored this? Please _do_ check it out!

Well that is not and officialy bioware who been out saying that. That is some of the so called Journalist who think they are more inluminating than the rest of us. The other post i linked is some actuly bioware forum person who gave a hint.

I am not giving up hope on that one

Bioware is not approving anything. 

It's Michael Gamble's personal opinion in regards to an article that enjoyed the ending. 

Not surprising... If Gamble had hated the ending, do you think we would have gotten them then? <_<

[Flapperrr]

https://twitter.com/...252256305201152
WestleyHayes: Do you think Shepard can become indoctrinated by the Reapers?
Mass Effect: Anything is possible

It is valid so is written?

Modifié par Flapperrr, 13 mars 2012 - 06:15 .

[AscendBaldur]

blooregard wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

hmmm.

Maybe I miss something in whole series... but did Protheans ever build synthetics?
If not.....

from what I can tell the protheans had a great distrust of synthetics so aside from VIs I don't believe they made anything similar to the geth

By Javik's own telling the Zha built synthetics in their cycle, then merged with the tech and became the Zha'til, who the Protheans fought the Metacon war with. Protheans HATE synthetics.

[GreenSoda]

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

The source is 4chan.

4chan.

Better to simply pay no attention to it.

Modifié par GreenSoda, 13 mars 2012 - 06:16 .

[Savber100]

noobcannon wrote...

anorling wrote...

Sadly I think that people is just grasping for straws here. This is the endings we get. And BW is not going to change that. Any DLC coming for ME3 in the future will probably be aimed toward the multiplayer part. And if they are planning releasing any single player DLC you can bet that it wont be a "post ending" DLC. Probably just some alternate outfits, new weapons and stuff like that. Any new missions will just take place before the ending(s). Sad but true. Either way they are not getting my money again. Im done with this game. Not even going to bother with a second playthrough.

sad but true? care to offer any reason why?

Normally, anorling will be right. Bioware would stick with its guns. HOWEVER, the sheer reaction has gone beyond anything that Bioware has expected. Also imagine the damage that is being caused to EA as word-of-mouth is mostly negative in regards to the ending. 

Even if Bioware genuinely thinks the ending were fine, EA will not allow them to alienate such a large amount of customers. It's a business after all. 

The irony that this fact is becoming Bioware's saving grace. 

[AscendBaldur]

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

That img is OLD news, and largely got discredited due to it being from 4chan if i recall correctly.

[Evil_medved]

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

Thats from 4chan dude. Lies.

[rorako]

I'll be honest, though the hallucination theory makes the most sense...I'll be more pissed at Bioware than if these were just crappy endings.

Why, you may ask? Because we've played three games, attemping and expecting a climax to defeat the Reapers...only to find out Shepard, at the last second, got blasted and "hallucinated" winning. Oh, and if you get the best ending, you wake up in said rubble, and you didn't make it to the Citadel, or make it at all in destroying the Reapers.

Five years of playing this game, and you wake up in a pile of rubble, not even completing your objective? That's like...a game over screen for an end.

I expected an end to the game, not a teaser for Mass Effect 4. Yeah, if he hallucinated the end, then he woke up in a pile or rubble. This was the end of Shepard's story. mass Effect 4, or a new trilogy, takes place after Shepard fails, continuing the war against the Reapers. They aren't setting up for a new game, me thinks.

This could be setting up for a new trilogy. A trilogy I'll pass up. If this is the case...man I miss the days when games actually ended.

[mmL]

AscendBaldur wrote...

blooregard wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

hmmm.

Maybe I miss something in whole series... but did Protheans ever build synthetics?
If not.....

from what I can tell the protheans had a great distrust of synthetics so aside from VIs I don't believe they made anything similar to the geth

By Javik's own telling the Zha built synthetics in their cycle, then merged with the tech and became the Zha'til, who the Protheans fought the Metacon war with. Protheans HATE synthetics.

Interestingly something similar seems to happen between the quarian and geth. Wasn't it mentioned that the quarian started to incorporate the geth in their suits?

[N3vDawg]

GreenSoda wrote...

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

The source is 4chan.

4chan.

Better to simply pay no attention to it.

Yeah, seriously. Shepards not on a jungle. He's in rubble. That makes no sense.<_<

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

that looks so fake!

[2_BR4ZIL_2]

Lugaidster wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

I'd say a more telling tweet was a retweet from MikeGamble:

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

It basically points to an article from penny arcade explaining why the current ending is good as it is... If that isn't hope-shattering I don't know what is...

Did you guys intentionally ignored this? Please _do_ check it out!

It doesnt matter really, its just this one PA guy defending ME3's ending (which he fails to see how badly it is actually) besides the same guy who posted that tweet also said:

@CoreyG: I am just posting an article folks, please be nice, I am not making a statement :}

Also, i like how one guy wrote a comment that is actually better than the PA article:

Unigolyn:

"DEUS EX MACHINA:

You're getting your literary devices mixed up. The Crucible is not deus ex machina, it is a MacGuffin. It's largely irrelevant except as a plot device. It is the exhaust port on the Death Star.

The narrative of ME3 is not about finding the Crucible, it is about building the greatest alliance ever seen in the galaxy (which the Crucible, as a plot device, allows to happen).

Why the Catalyst AI and his Monty Hall spiel of the Adjust Hue/Saturation is a deus ex machina is that it is the resolution to the narrative. The fact that he is also literally a "god from the machine" is irrelevant, albeit ironic. He is a deus ex machina in the literary sense, i.e. a handwaved contrivance that shows up out of the blue to quickly whisk away all the dangling story threads, and to abruptly end the story.

This is abysmal writing. This is abysmal game design; a Pick Your Own Adventure book where all choices take you to the same final chapter. It is counter to everything this game is. And what is this game?

In a recent Extra Credits, Portnow discussed core elements of a game. The Mass Effect series is really not a third person shooter. It is also really not a roll-the-dice-and-level-up CRPG. Mass Effect is, at its core, interactive fiction. All the memorable moments in these games take place in cutscenes that play out in myriad ways based on prior choices. You are role-playing in the most literal sense of crafting a character's personality based on your choices. The climax of Mass Effect 2 was not shooting the Human Reaper in the eye, the climax of Mass Effect 2 were the cutscenes that played and showed the results of your actions. Did you defy TIM? Did your crewmates survive? If your choices were poor enough, you could defeat the final boss, only to make a desperate leap towards the Normandy with no one to catch you.

The desperate leap in Mass Effect 3 is your dash towards the Beam. The only input that matters at all past this point is the encounter with TIM. That encounter is true to Mass Effect, and honors your previous choices, and provides closure for the secondary antagonist.

But for the main antagonist (Reapers), nothing you did matters. You are given three arbitrary choices to solve a problem that, depending on your actions, may be proven to be a false dilemma in the first place. If you saved both the Quarians and the Geth, witnessed Legion's messianic sacrifice, and humanized EDI - the Catalyst's claim of organic/synthetic conflict being unavoidable is patently false.

The Catalyst AI is completely incongruous with the narrative and the themes of the game. It shows up, provides a complete strawman of a conflict, and then offers three vapid, plot-hole ridden resolutions to this conflict, which abruptly end the narrative in a blinding flash of Space Magic (pick your color!).

CHOICES DON'T MATTER

Again, you're missing the point. No one is complaining about the preceding 30 hours of gameplay. Choices did seem to matter. Your treatment of the Rachni queen from two games ago ended up gaining you a seemingly valuable ally. Saving Wrex can gain a hopeful future for the Krogan. Your choices regarding Legion and the Migrant Fleet in ME2 have incredibly strong consequences in the seeming conclusion of the Geth/Quarian storyline. This is why we loved the game up to the ending.

And the ending completely demolished all of it, and made it completely illusory. Who gives a **** if you saved the Rachni? They just end up giving you Space Points and don't affect your ending at all. Who gives a **** if the Quarians or Geth or both survived? They're all dead anyway. Who cares if you cured the genophage and saved the one leader who could lead the Krogan into a less brutish, more hopeful future? He's either trapped on earth or dead, and the radioactive husk that is Tuchanka cannot sustain their race without supplies anyway.

And even more egregiously, the choices you made in the development of YOUR Shepard don't matter. She acts EXACTLY the same when facing the ultimate antagonist regardless of whether she's a Space Racist Renegade or Never Surrender Paragon or whatever your Shepard actually is, and what (insert pronoun) stands for.

You accept Space Hitler's premise without argument, and dejectedly pick one of the three Slightly Less Turning Everyone Into Paste final solutions he has to offer.

How does it matter in the slightest that I've done the frickin' impossible and united the Geth and the Quarians into a hopeful future, shown that we need not fear synthetic life, seen a nascent artificial sentience freely decide to set "Love and compassion" as their main motivation, and fought for the reactionary, bleak idea of "AI will always rebel" to be proven wrong? Space Hitler shows up, says "AI will always rebel, here are drastic fixes to this undeniable problem". And I go "yessuh"?

WHY IS EVERYTHING SO SAD

It's not sad. You are being incredibly myopic and dismissive of our experiences by reducing it to "y every1 has 2 diezorz?". The ending of the story is not actually sad, it's just anticlimactic, contrived, incongruous, and ridden with plot holes.

The part that's sad and what's tearing me apart is that this is not a case of people writing themselves into a corner. This is not a case of glorified hacks like Ronald D. Moore or Cuse/Lindelof making **** up as they go along, to find themselves at the end with no way to tie all the crap together in a cathartic way.

This is a beautifully written game, for the majority of the experience. Bioware has bona fide talent within their ranks. And the story, up to the very end, is redeemable in dozens of ways. Even the contrived, out-of-the-blue Star Child could be made into an interesting character by presenting it as a shackled AI who was given a specific, limited goal born of fear (stop AI from wiping out organic life forever), and it arrived at the grotesque solution of Reapers not because AI is evil, but the constraints never allow it to look past the false dilemma it's attempting to solve.

Most importantly, this is not a TV show or a movie. This narrative is, by design, told in a unique medium which is NOT doomed to give us a singular ending. Our Shepards can be varied, yes, but there is a finite amount of paradigms that lead you to the end, and they could all have a cathartic, poignant, and persistent ending. Let the Renegades ascend to rule the galaxy. Let the Paragons defeat primitive fear and xenophobia.

I do not care if the Relays have to go down, but don't do it in such a thoughtless way as to destroy everything meaningful I accomplished. I do not care if my Shepard dies. In fact, I expected her to go down in a blaze of glory, in the greatest battle that shall ever be fought, for the most meaningful (to her) victory a soldier could ever earn. She did not get this. I did not get this.

TENS OF THOUSANDS of people didn't get this. We are not asking for a Disney ending. We are not asking for a dance party with Ewoks. We are just asking for our Big Damn Heroes to go out on their own terms, win or lose"

[mmL]

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Thats from 4chan dude. Lies.
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I got trolled xD

[RiGoRmOrTiS_UK]

I'll honestly be suprised if its not indoctrination at the end..

[Fledgey]

Noob451 wrote...

Debi-Tage wrote...

Okay for those of you against the this theory - tell me: Right after Shepard walks into the beam and travels up to the Citadel why is it that the very first thing you see is Harbinger sitting at his usual computer terminal looking back as Shepard makes a grunting sound as she wakes up around all the dead bodies?

wait...what?

I pictured this and laughed so goddamn hard. Amazing.

[Smiley556]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Hi, guys!

I had to sleep, so I've missed the part where the thread jumped from 260 pages to 332.

Any new, significant developments?

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8 

Ill let someone else update all the twitter stuff, dont really follow the twitter PR myself.

Awww, that really sucks.  This was our theory, our thread. And Stanley Woo directs them to someone else's.

Although, it makes sense logistically, due to its length, but damn!

Well it is the same theory...

[Savber100]

AscendBaldur wrote...

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

That img is OLD news, and largely got discredited due to it being from 4chan if i recall correctly.

Also ZERO mention of MP DLC. 

Yeah... it's fake. 

[jackncoke28]

AscendBaldur wrote...

blooregard wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

hmmm.

Maybe I miss something in whole series... but did Protheans ever build synthetics?
If not.....

from what I can tell the protheans had a great distrust of synthetics so aside from VIs I don't believe they made anything similar to the geth

By Javik's own telling the Zha built synthetics in their cycle, then merged with the tech and became the Zha'til, who the Protheans fought the Metacon war with. Protheans HATE synthetics.

Wasnt there a convo with tali speaking about what amounted to signs of possible future merging of quarians and geth, something about enviornmental suits and boosting of imune systems?

[Noob451]

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

that's a picture of a 4chan thread, take it with a grain of salt.

[Terraforming2154]

Lugaidster wrote...

Lugaidster wrote...

I'd say a more telling tweet was a retweet from MikeGamble:

https://twitter.com/#!/GambleMike

It basically points to an article from penny arcade explaining why the current ending is good as it is... If that isn't hope-shattering I don't know what is...

Did you guys intentionally ignored this? Please _do_ check it out!

Well, that sucks.
Weren't some of Gamble's tweets the ones we felt were being the most intentionally vague? I'm not going to read the Penny Arcade article, because I really don't believe that anything can justify the ending, but why would he tweet about the article if he didn't agree with it? 

[blooregard]

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

dude that looks like came from 4chan there seems to be alot of bioware/bethesda/rockstar "employees" on 4chan none of which know what they're talking about. long story short anything that looks similar to that screen cap dismiss 

[AscendBaldur]

Savber100 wrote...

noobcannon wrote...

anorling wrote...

Sadly I think that people is just grasping for straws here. This is the endings we get. And BW is not going to change that. Any DLC coming for ME3 in the future will probably be aimed toward the multiplayer part. And if they are planning releasing any single player DLC you can bet that it wont be a "post ending" DLC. Probably just some alternate outfits, new weapons and stuff like that. Any new missions will just take place before the ending(s). Sad but true. Either way they are not getting my money again. Im done with this game. Not even going to bother with a second playthrough.

sad but true? care to offer any reason why?

Normally, anorling will be right. Bioware would stick with its guns. HOWEVER, the sheer reaction has gone beyond anything that Bioware has expected. Also imagine the damage that is being caused to EA as word-of-mouth is mostly negative in regards to the ending. 

Even if Bioware genuinely thinks the ending were fine, EA will not allow them to alienate such a large amount of customers. It's a business after all. 

The irony that this fact is becoming Bioware's saving grace. 

again, already has been discussed. EA like Activision is no stranger to negative press, but if the Doctors (who are VPs in EA now) got Ricitiello on board with this and Bioware pulls it all off, everyone but the silly people who think the endings are artistic are going to come back to Bioware and drop to their knees bowing. They would have shaken the industry to it's very core and that would make for some VERY positive press in the end, and Activision would be but a squandering company with a pisspoor Pokemon/Panda filled MMO and a recycled ****ty FPS. EA and Bioware would be at the top. Why wouldn't they go for it?

[lookingglassmind]

Smiley556 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Hi, guys!

I had to sleep, so I've missed the part where the thread jumped from 260 pages to 332.

Any new, significant developments?

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8 

Ill let someone else update all the twitter stuff, dont really follow the twitter PR myself.

Awww, that really sucks.  This was our theory, our thread. And Stanley Woo directs them to someone else's.

Although, it makes sense logistically, due to its length, but damn!

Well it is the same theory...

Fully agreed. 

[lavosslayer]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Smiley556 wrote...

lookingglassmind wrote...

Hi, guys!

I had to sleep, so I've missed the part where the thread jumped from 260 pages to 332.

Any new, significant developments?

http://social.biowar...ex/9872108&lf=8 

Ill let someone else update all the twitter stuff, dont really follow the twitter PR myself.

Awww, that really sucks.  This was our theory, our thread. And Stanley Woo directs them to someone else's.

Although, it makes sense logistically, due to its length, but damn!

Seriously WTF?! that thing was only posted 8 hours ago...our is 4 days in the making!!