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Was the ending a hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory


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#8426
GreatBandit

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Elendstourist wrote...

The 1M1 meaning 13+1+1 = 15th March is a bit far-fetched, I think. Although I'd like to believe it.


Be that as it may, but I believe the March 15th is the day the game goes live in the last region, so it could be like a time/date trigger on the disc. Who knows at this point it's really all just speculation.

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BlackDragonBane wrote...

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mmL wrote...

Somehow this thread has transformed into one about some random tweets of an unknown person about some game :D


We have gotten a little side-tracked, but i think it's the 1M1 theory creeping up because the 15th is coming up and if it turns out to be true, that aspect of the original 1M1 theory turns out to be true and Bioware is really just stringing us along to make a huge impact in the gaming industry.

I've been following this thread since page 1 and I really can't get behind 1m1. It's horribly silly. So because 1 + the numerology of M  + 1 = 15 then that means we're getting something new on March 15th? What?


I only bring it up because the tweets are suddenly becoming more and more frequent the closer we get to global release.

Yes, I also think that the 1M1 theory is a bit of a stretch but the twitter activity is becoming more frequently posted FOR a reason. They have us chasing the carrot on the stick now, the ball's in Bioware's court and I think they're sadistically enjoying this a little


Did NO ONE see what I had said in regards to all the flak of the 1M1? Andraste's buck teeth people, slow down.

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MDT1 wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

If the thing living in the Citadel control the Relays, why did Sovereign need help to gain access to all the Citadel functions. You would think that this Godkid could just make it happen.


Because what happened in ME3 is actually on the bottom of the council tower, so if it would have entered the councile chamber where the console is, it would have been on its roof, and as the roof in that room is high and the child is small...

No seriously, this was the first thing I thought when the catalyst introduced himself "doesn't this completely contradict ME1?"


Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

I was like... Didn't the Protheans make it so the Reapers couldn't use the Citadel as the warp point? Why would this God Child Catalyst thing allow that? The Catalyst has the power to change the infrastructure of the Galaxy but can't stop Protheans from locking Reapers from teleporting to the Citadel?

That makes no sense.

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Dessalines wrote...

If the thing living in the Citadel control the Repears, why did Sovereign need help to gain access to all the Citadel functions. You would think that this Godkid could just make it happen.


Truth.

The thing is, all these "plotholes" could have perfectly feasible explanations, but the player is offered nothing with which to make sense of it all.

People have been saying that the Mass relays don't "blow up" like they did in Arrival, they just fall apart, meaning the detonation isn't dangerous. When they show the Galaxy though, and the connecting relays, you see an explosion as each relay overloads. The last time we saw explosions like that it took out an entire Batarian system.

They gave us only one point of reference for what an exploding relay meant, and they expect me to assume I didn't just blow up the entire galaxy?

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noobcannon wrote...

Flapperrr wrote...

https://twitter.com/...307366397902848
There are no happy endings, because nothing ends

WOW!!!


-The Last Unicorn
at least that's what i got from google.


It is. Love that movie.

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 Hey guys,

I don't know if this has been posted here but, even if hallucination/indoctrination theory is wrong, this is how the game should have ended;

http://arkis.deviant...02125?offset=10 


*Read the whole thing, it will depart from the game towards the end.

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Sl4sh3r wrote...

MDT1 wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

If the thing living in the Citadel control the Relays, why did Sovereign need help to gain access to all the Citadel functions. You would think that this Godkid could just make it happen.


Because what happened in ME3 is actually on the bottom of the council tower, so if it would have entered the councile chamber where the console is, it would have been on its roof, and as the roof in that room is high and the child is small...

No seriously, this was the first thing I thought when the catalyst introduced himself "doesn't this completely contradict ME1?"


Yeah I was thinking the same thing.

I was like... Didn't the Protheans make it so the Reapers couldn't use the Citadel as the warp point? Why would this God Child Catalyst thing allow that? The Catalyst as the power to change the infrastructure of the Galaxy but can't stop Protheans from locking Reapers from teleporting to the Citadel?

That makes no sense.

Foolish mortal. The space god does not hold dominion over mechanical arms, it simply has levitating elevator powers and letting other people breathe in space powers.

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RobT2012 wrote...

Ok, i just thought of some more reasons why the ending is bogus.

1) Mass Effect lore establishes there are two kinds of relays, those that offer multiple short range connections, and those that offer singular point to point connections across great distances to one relay only and back again. Watch this video from about 2 minutes in. The explosion propogates relay to relay, and just before it cuts back to joker some of those distances are massive that its jumping between. Its a soft point but valid i think. There is just no way that signal could propogate through all the relays, and there affect all reapers in all systems.

2) im pretty sure the game said in ME1 the Sol relay was a point to point connection, therefore no way it could propgate beyond the receiving relay,

3) No boss escalation. ME1 Shep and squad were up against a reaper controlled "super agent", whose death weekend sovereign for others to destroy. ME2 close quarters with a "proto reaper". Escalation says in ME3 the final fight should be against a fully formed reaper. and i dont mean outside ship to ship, inside, remember lore points that repears are built and have their ships encased around them, inside harbinger should prolly be a giant avatar based on whatever the "first race, from the first cycle was" Video games always escalate, there was no escalation here.

Anyways just some additional thoughts i had on drive home from work :)

Would have loved to seen this battle

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I think the 1M1 theory about hearing something on the 15th is probably off track. I think they'll give the Japanese players a few days to beat the game and go through this too before saying something. I'm guessing it's more likely we'll hear something by Friday. NOW to go read like 60 pages I missed during the night.

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krystalevenstar wrote...

I think the 1M1 theory about hearing something on the 15th is probably off track. I think they'll give the Japanese players a few days to beat the game and go through this too before saying something. I'm guessing it's more likely we'll hear something by Friday. NOW to go read like 60 pages I missed during the night.


I'm in the same boat, but I think reading 60+ pages is a waste. Everyone has seem to come to the same conclusions of the people before them. There really haven't been any new developments from what I've seen.

The thread seems to be a waiting game now.

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In another thread someone thought of 1M1 meaning 1 month 1 day, meaning something would happen at that day after initial release.

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I was catching up too and I had like 30 pages to go. I realized I was just reading the same things over and over so I skipped to the end.

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creiGn wrote...

 Hey guys,

I don't know if this has been posted here but, even if hallucination/indoctrination theory is wrong, this is how the game should have ended;

http://arkis.deviant...02125?offset=10 


*Read the whole thing, it will depart from the game towards the end.


Still has Space Kid... i would have prefered the Dark Energy ending, at least that one leaves only the far future open to interpretation.

Modifié par 2_BR4ZIL_2, 13 mars 2012 - 06:58 .


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Han shot first.

#8440
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mmL wrote...

In another thread someone thought of 1M1 meaning 1 month 1 day, meaning something would happen at that day after initial release.

Like we said, attributing something that has no clear relation to date or time to date or time is a pretty flawed step in logic. If it turns out to be correct, hoorah, but there's really no reason to do that. I might as well say "Well you saw m7 Makos at the end so that means we'll hear something in 7 months"

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OMG

Isn't this 1m1 OBVIOUS?

Since Normandy 2 is from Cerberus, and got 8m8 on doors, this 1m1 arms suggest that they are also related to Cerberus

Even this white and yellow colours

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has anyone figured out where this concept art fits into the game?
Maybe its part of the true ending?

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#8443
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This theory reminds me of symbolism in Silent Hill creature explanations which is fun.

#8444
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squee365 wrote...

has anyone figured out where this concept art fits into the game?
Maybe its part of the true ending?

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Isn't that the original concept of the derelict Reaper in ME2?

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#8445
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Can someone do a little compilation of those vague but hopeful tweets from @masseffect?

#8446
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The announcement that comes, should it be about this theory is going to something akin to: you guys figured it out! Now you can finish the fight in 3 months when the dlc will be available for 15 dollars! ... That was a joke.

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squee365 wrote...

has anyone figured out where this concept art fits into the game?
Maybe its part of the true ending?

Posted Image


Picture of the actual ending shot? that might be Shepard there.

#8448
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Sierra163 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Wuyunk wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

mmL wrote...

Somehow this thread has transformed into one about some random tweets of an unknown person about some game :D


We have gotten a little side-tracked, but i think it's the 1M1 theory creeping up because the 15th is coming up and if it turns out to be true, that aspect of the original 1M1 theory turns out to be true and Bioware is really just stringing us along to make a huge impact in the gaming industry.


Does 1M1 actually mean something that I'm missing, or are we just paying attension to it because of its mirrored image?


no idea....but if there was any one idea in this entire thread that I never thought was relavent, it would be the 1M1 thing...(no offense btw to the person who mentioned it, it just seems more like an art design issue then a "sign" of anything to me)


There's probably nothing to it. It just kinda sticks out since; 1) No organic has ever been in that part of the citidel, so why is there human numbers/letters. and 2) that mirroring that happens gets your attention (though it could just be a bad texture)


It could, but 1M1 is such an easy combination to miss. 2M2, 3M3, 4M4, 5M5 etc, reversed that would all stand out a lot more.

I'm not down with the date thing, but if this is true then we have to remember what Bioware are doing, they would plant these clues to indoctrination but at the same some wouldn't want to make it blatently obvious.

Like you said there's no reason for organic created numbers to be in a part of the Citadel were no organic has ever made it to. And 1M1, while being a sign is such a subtle sign and easy miss, just like I did.

They've been making this game for 2 years. Contrary to some peoples weird opinions, they don't develop the game in the order you play it lol. They didn't put two years into the game and then think "Oh ****! nearly release day" and rush the ending. They would have taken time on the ending making sure everything was perfect, and when you only have 2 instances of numbers/letters opposite eachother in the entire ending, you don't screw it up lol.

Also it's placement is curious to me. They place the 1M1's in a place where you're not paying attention to the walls, you're naturally waiting to see what's just over the hill at the top where the control panel is, that's what  you're concentrating on if you are immersed.

So yeah, dates are a no go for me, but I don't believe a developer simple got lazy and copy/pasted the 1M1 by mistake when they are taking part in designing one of this generations most anticipated endings lol.

#8449
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Maker, this thread is moving so fast, people are getting stuck on one subject and other things are getting completely buried.

Yes 1M1 is a huge stretch, I'm not really supporting it as a sustainable theory.

What I was getting at, however, is that since yesterday, response activity from Mass Effect and a couple dev twitters have strangely been picking up in pace as we get closer to the last release date before the game is officially global.

At the point, Bioware is having us chase a carrot on a stick with all these teasing hints. They know we're aware of the NDA that keeps them from talking but they're using this as an opportunity to really get the community stirred up and involved.

Does no one else find this at least a little suspicious?

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Golferguy758 wrote...

The announcement that comes, should it be about this theory is going to something akin to: you guys figured it out! Now you can finish the fight in 3 months when the dlc will be available for 15 dollars! ... That was a joke.

I read that in tali's voice lol