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[Taone]

I just thought of something.. Dunno if someone's posted it here yet, waaaaayy too many pages to look through.

Alright, so I was thinking on the green ending choice: Synthesis. This seems to be the choice that the reapers and God-Child-Thing ultimately want. They wait for a species to reach a certain level of evolution, then harvest it into a synthetic/organic mixture. This process seems to take a long period of time, judging by the conversation with the Prothean that states that they were at war with the reapers for hundreds of years.

So how is it that in a matter of seconds they would be able to convert all organic life in the universe into a synth/organic hybrid? Simply because of the Crucible? It seems to me that the Crucible is an ingenious amount of tech, but something that the reapers could have easily created on their own considering their tech prowess and the millions(?) of years that the cycles have been going on for.

I know i'm grasping at straws here, it's just something that had come to my mind. It gives me hope along with every other piece of evidence in this thread that the ending is not all that it appears to be. Besides, it would be the best way (Albeit slightly sleazy) to add DLC to a game that's supposed to end on the third game. Most people wouldn't buy DLC for a game that already ended. It made sense for ME2 to have DLC after the story finished because Arrival and partly LotSB linked into ME3. What would DLC after ME3 link into if the reapers are already finished?

Again, hoping and grasping at straws. I started replaying ME2 today but i'm taking my time.

[jackncoke28]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

camcon2100 wrote...

Not sure if you guys heard this but you hear a reaper shout at 4:34 here
here
Also when Shepard is looking for the kid at 0:56 seconds 
here
Hmm interesting they sound very familiar and if anything prove that when Shep wakes up there are still reapers around!

I pointed that out too. Seems to me like there's still a fight going on.

Thats the same impression I got. One of the major reasons I believe the "everything after the blast is in shepards head" theory

[AscendBaldur]

Wuyunk wrote...

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Maker, this thread is moving so fast, people are getting stuck on one subject and other things are getting completely buried.

Yes 1M1 is a huge stretch, I'm not really supporting it as a sustainable theory.

What I was getting at, however, is that since yesterday, response activity from Mass Effect and a couple dev twitters have strangely been picking up in pace as we get closer to the last release date before the game is officially global.

At the point, Bioware is having us chase a carrot on a stick with all these teasing hints. They know we're aware of the NDA that keeps them from talking but they're using this as an opportunity to really get the community stirred up and involved.

Does no one else find this at least a little suspicious?

What, we know 100% that they have to abide by some NDA? When did we find that out? :/

Also, I've only just started paying attension to the twitter accounts today, so I wouldn't know at what speed they may have been moving before, but @masseffect is responding to multiple tweets per minute which seems a bit OTT lol.

Jessica Merizan confirmed to me that they are ALWAYS behind an NDA even after game is fully released to keep from letting secrets out, so likely the only one whou could reveal something of this magnitude would be the Project Manager. Makes sense I suppose lol

[Thermorium]

crimsontotem wrote...

For all ye new comers



3:55-56 when kid says "Choose" listen to the third echo...

Harbinger?

Is it just me or does it sound like harbinger is faintly heard in the background for most of the conversation?

[iSpitfireee]

Guys think back to how Harbinger controlled the collector general.... Harby was in dark space while the general was in the galactic core. Thats some serious idoc skills by Harby. Now imagine how effective it must be if Harby is literally feet away from Shepard.

[Reptilian Rob]

Out of everything in this massive thread, the most telling evidence is still the reversed choice colors and the rubble Shep wakes up in.

Other than that, everything else is just wishful thinking.

[solidsnake78]

crimsontotem wrote...

For all ye new comers



3:55-56 when kid says "Choose" listen to the third echo...

Harbinger?

I heard it, it DOES sound like Harbinger!

[Falar]

Rafe34 wrote...

I've got something I haven't heard before.

Why does Hackett contact Shepard as if he thinks she's still alive? The Alliance should believe Shep is dead, no? Yet he contacts her in the Citadel as if she's still alive and kicking.

Playing off of that, how does Hackett use that console to contact her? How does he know exactly where she is so that he can send her a message, telling her the Crucible isn't firing?

Hackett never really answers Shepard when Shepard asks what he needs to do. This could be Shepard overhearing his radio (like when he first gets up and hears that no one made it to the beam), or it could simply the indoctrination using Hackett's voice to force Shepard to make his decision.

[Rafe34]

I've got it, I think.

The answer to why they would let you choose the Destroy option and that alone with low EMS, if it breaks you out of your hallucination. You die in this ending anyway, if you have low EMS. So they are merely delaying Shepard long enough for her injuries to kill her. By the time she gets up to the Catalyst, the Reapers understand. Shepard is dead, and is no longer a threat. So they don't bother trying to indoctrinate her, and just give her what she wants in her head- an option to finish the Reapers.

Then Shepard dies, and the Reapers finish off the rest of the galaxy.

How's that?

[lavosslayer]

Thermorium wrote...

crimsontotem wrote...

For all ye new comers



3:55-56 when kid says "Choose" listen to the third echo...

Harbinger?

Is it just me or does it sound like harbinger is faintly heard in the background for most of the conversation?

Its Mark Meer and Jennifer Hale (aka the voices of Commander Shepard)...this was established early yesterday...sorry it hasn't been put in the OP yet...

[Rafe34]

Falar wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

I've got something I haven't heard before.

Why does Hackett contact Shepard as if he thinks she's still alive? The Alliance should believe Shep is dead, no? Yet he contacts her in the Citadel as if she's still alive and kicking.

Playing off of that, how does Hackett use that console to contact her? How does he know exactly where she is so that he can send her a message, telling her the Crucible isn't firing?

Hackett never really answers Shepard when Shepard asks what he needs to do. This could be Shepard overhearing his radio (like when he first gets up and hears that no one made it to the beam), or it could simply the indoctrination using Hackett's voice to force Shepard to make his decision.

No no, I'm putting this forward as proof for the theory.

Hackett should think Shepard is dead, yet he just contacts her as if he believes she's still alive.

And it can't be from her radio, if her shields were fried by Harby's beam, surely her radio was.

[Turran]

I really like the thought and creativity of people. Especially when it comes to speculation as nearly all the time a community can create an amazing complex story which makes sense, often making it 10x better than anything that could of been written by a few.

I really like this theory, or speculation, it is really interesting (Even if my Paragon Shep ran into Synthesis :'( Oh the shame when I saw the out-come and gave it a real thought).
Anyway, it sounds really good and if Bioware did intend for this to happen, then well done on them! I am just afraid that even with the 'secret ending' no DLC or patches will add to the end of the game. :/

But keep it up!

[RobT2012]

lavosslayer wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

The source is 4chan.

4chan.

Better to simply pay no attention to it.

Anonymous is a liar.  Aria is taking back Omega.  From who? Cerebus is wiped out or turned in huskified humans without someone controlling them. How can the Alliance be coming for him,  when he is not on the ship? Did the beam transport him back with his friends?  Even if the endings are real, those dlc do not make any sense.

The take back omega one is the only one there that seems 100% certain...even when you talk to her in Purgatory she says thats what she is planning on doing....since this DLC takes place before the events on earth it is totally plausible....the rescue shepard one sounds like he makes it onto the normandy and crashlands on the tropical planet like the others...definitely missing some key details to make that happen...

How so? Aria was on the citadel before i departed to Cronos station, TIM apparently head over to the citadel causing the reapers to move it and lock it up. This station then explodes if the game is to be believed as it is, how the **** is she suriving that? Also Omega is a station built into an asteroid, it would be considered advanced technology and be destroyed no matter which ending you choose.

[kyrieee]

Rafe34 wrote...

I've got something I haven't heard before.

Why does Hackett contact Shepard as if he thinks she's still alive? The Alliance should believe Shep is dead, no? Yet he contacts her in the Citadel as if she's still alive and kicking.

Playing off of that, how does Hackett use that console to contact her? How does he know exactly where she is so that he can send her a message, telling her the Crucible isn't firing?

Since the Citadel opened, maybe he figured out Shepard was there?

[netarchy]

Midna Shepard wrote...

Ok, I like the Indoctrination Theory. Maybe the kid was the Harbinger in Shepard's mind from the beginning (the kid plays with the Normandy....)

BUT

Could you help me understand something?

- If Shepard is indoctrinated then why the Prothean IV on Thessia doesn't sense his indoctrination? (It senses Kai Leng instead)

- HOW is that Shapard is able to choose anything if he's almost dead on Earth? What is the "trigger" he pulls in reality to take those decisions?

- WHY the Reapers need Shepard to choose anything in the first place? Do you mean that the final choice never really happens and it is all in Shepard's mind? So, who opens the Citadel arms with the control panel?

- What's the point in gaining allies for this War if we are not able to see the outcome of it? You say that having high scores allows us to choose the "Destroy option" successfully but I had less than 3000 points and I still was able to choose the red one.

-Shepard isn't indoctrinated, the reapers are *attempting* to indoctrinate Shepard

-You're assuming that Shepard is almost dead on earth, when it's possible Shepard was only knocked out

-Shepard is the single greatest chance for the reapers to fail, if they can turn Shepard, then they gain a powerful tool

-With enough allies, you have enough time to resist the indoctrination attempt at the end. The theory goes that the entire ending segment is not real, it's an attempt by Harbinger to indoctrinate Shepard.

Modifié par netarchy, 13 mars 2012 - 07:18 .

[mr.surv]

Think more... all of you.... about this 1m1 .

WHY in the last catalyst scene this metal arm with 1m1 is only on the left side?
All place look so clean,SYMMETRIC !!!!

[Falar]

Rafe34 wrote...

Falar wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

I've got something I haven't heard before.

Why does Hackett contact Shepard as if he thinks she's still alive? The Alliance should believe Shep is dead, no? Yet he contacts her in the Citadel as if she's still alive and kicking.

Playing off of that, how does Hackett use that console to contact her? How does he know exactly where she is so that he can send her a message, telling her the Crucible isn't firing?

Hackett never really answers Shepard when Shepard asks what he needs to do. This could be Shepard overhearing his radio (like when he first gets up and hears that no one made it to the beam), or it could simply the indoctrination using Hackett's voice to force Shepard to make his decision.

No no, I'm putting this forward as proof for the theory.

Hackett should think Shepard is dead, yet he just contacts her as if he believes she's still alive.

And it can't be from her radio, if her shields were fried by Harby's beam, surely her radio was.

Ah, yes! Good point. Hackett wouldn't think Shep was up there, since "no one made it," so Hackett talking to Shep at all makes no sense. Good catch! 

[BeardedPuma]

Michael Gamble ‏ @GambleMike
those of you who have played infiltrator and/or the datapad - send me your honest opinions. Do you like these sorts of metagame experiences?

metagame? hint?

or am I really reaching for induction ports here...
I think I may be reaching.

[holyshock18]

Midna Shepard wrote...

Ok, I like the Indoctrination Theory. Maybe the kid was the Harbinger in Shepard's mind from the beginning (the kid plays with the Normandy....)

BUT

Could you help me understand something?

- If Shepard is indoctrinated then why the Prothean IV on Thessia doesn't sense his indoctrination? (It senses Kai Leng instead)

- HOW is that Shapard is able to choose anything if he's almost dead on Earth? What is the "trigger" he pulls in reality to take those decisions?

- WHY the Reapers need Shepard to choose anything in the first place? Do you mean that the final choice never really happens and it is all in Shepard's mind? So, who opens the Citadel arms with the control panel?

- What's the point in gaining allies for this War if we are not able to see the outcome of it? You say that having high scores allows us to choose the "Destroy option" successfully but I had less than 3000 points and I still was able to choose the red one.

1. Shepard indoctrination is like explain on ilos. And with Saren. The more control they have over you the less inhuman you are. Simply braindead if they take full control. So basicly they have him indoctrinated but its slow very slow progress. And from ilos the VI say they still had traitors and they still diddnt understand Indoctrination perfectly. So basicly unless you are full indoctrianted like Kai leng. It simply cant registre that you are indoctrinated.

2. That is in his brain. He get knoced out from the blast and from there on its just a Imagination of a battle inside Shepards head. All the choices are simply Shepard Fighting against the Indoctrination. Either winning or Sucumbing to it.

3. No one opens the arms. Beacuse they never open. That is all in shepard's mind Hoping that would what was gonna happend. He is dreaming it all. Its all his way of thinking. AHH IT ALL ENDED HAPPY. My friend is save i open the Citadel. We WON.

4. The less you have actuly represent the mind power you have. When you choose destroy you maybe still win over the indoctrination but you die in the attempt. And we loose beacuse you simply diddnt get a big enough Fleet behind you. If you have high you will have more power to win over indoctrination and stay alive. And since you gathered so big a fleet maybe you still will win.

[crimsontotem]

1M1

Maby one month and one day? that is April 7th, a day after Penny arcade conference... may be something will happen??

[IhateEA-Mask]

Low ESM and Collector Base destroyed: Shepard is firmly for destroying Reapers and Reapers dont' really bother to indoctrinate him/put effort into it, they are already winning. So Shepard sees vision of Earth dying and normandy crew members dying in crash.

Low ESM and Collector Base saved: Shepard is considering possibility of reapers being able to be controlled for real and doesn't see it actually being possible to destroy them because of small fleet so Reapers don't need to try to indoctrinate him hard.

Also, on Low ESM endings reapers don't really care about Shepard because they see him as insignificant, with high ESM they see his true potential.

Could that work?

Modifié par IhateEA-Mask, 13 mars 2012 - 07:20 .

[Vyrii]

blooregard wrote...

Vyrii wrote...

AscendBaldur wrote...


No, no DLC whatsoever has been confirmed. In fact no Bioware employess has used the letters DLC other than discussing the From Ashes situation. All the DLC stuff stems from player fears that we would have to pay for an ending, which  is just that at this point, fear.

Ah.... okay.
So... how can we say that the Multiplayer DLC is to be used as references to verify the post on 4chan?
I'm just saying that all in all, I don't think we should knock it, but I don't think we should exactly accept it either.

Just with the evidence we have so far, Omega seem viable, and the Resuce Mission seem viable.
It has more merit than a post a while back that was a wife of a BioWare employee claiming that the endings are fake and the indoctrination theory is correct.

:/

somebody posted a picture of a multiplayer character pack that gave him batarian and geth as well as a krogan battlemaster  an omega DLC seems likely but a rescue mission one seems down right impossible there's no way of knowing where the normandy is, there are no mass relays, and by the time the crew of the normandy is found the only 2 people that may be alive is liara who could very well have gone insane and EDI who could have been destroyed in the destroy ending or due to her increasing organtic personality could have also gone insane

It was a Batarian Sentinel, and Soldier.  Geth Infiltrator and Geth Engineer. Krogan Battlemaster, and Asari Justicar.  I saw the picture, I am not misinformed.

This is all based off of your own observations.  Where did you get the fact hat only "2 people survived?"  In my play through the people that walk out of the Normandy are Garrus, Ashley  and Joker.  In every play thorugh it is different.  You are basing this off of a different theory.  We are in the Indoctrination Theory thread.

Have you watched the youtube video that has unused Joker dialogue about coming back to earth and "picking up the girls?"  There is sufficient evidence to suggest that the Omega and Resuce missions are possible.

[holyshock18]

Rafe34 wrote...

I've got something I haven't heard before.

Why does Hackett contact Shepard as if he thinks she's still alive? The Alliance should believe Shep is dead, no? Yet he contacts her in the Citadel as if she's still alive and kicking.

Playing off of that, how does Hackett use that console to contact her? How does he know exactly where she is so that he can send her a message, telling her the Crucible isn't firing?

Again its not happening. Its only shepard thinking its happening

[lavosslayer]

RobT2012 wrote...

lavosslayer wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

GreenSoda wrote...

mmL wrote...

HallucinationEnd wrote...

Hmm foud this :

http://s3.amazonaws....res=1331651551

Holy ****.

This means the sequence with the normandy fleeing from the blast and landing on a tropical vacation island might have been real. Which would not contradict our indoctrination/hallucination theory, as the real ending could still happen inbetween!

The source is 4chan.

4chan.

Better to simply pay no attention to it.

Anonymous is a liar.  Aria is taking back Omega.  From who? Cerebus is wiped out or turned in huskified humans without someone controlling them. How can the Alliance be coming for him,  when he is not on the ship? Did the beam transport him back with his friends?  Even if the endings are real, those dlc do not make any sense.

The take back omega one is the only one there that seems 100% certain...even when you talk to her in Purgatory she says thats what she is planning on doing....since this DLC takes place before the events on earth it is totally plausible....the rescue shepard one sounds like he makes it onto the normandy and crashlands on the tropical planet like the others...definitely missing some key details to make that happen...

How so? Aria was on the citadel before i departed to Cronos station, TIM apparently head over to the citadel causing the reapers to move it and lock it up. This station then explodes if the game is to be believed as it is, how the **** is she suriving that? Also Omega is a station built into an asteroid, it would be considered advanced technology and be destroyed no matter which ending you choose.

There was a tweet by Mac walters the lead writer that said some people escaped before TIM closed the arms on the citadel...that being said it would be the most foolish thing in the world to think Aria T'Loak would not be among those who escaped....

regardless I guarentee you will have access to this mission before the events of the citadel moving occur

[BlackDragonBane]

iSpitfireee wrote...

Guys think back to how Harbinger controlled the collector general.... Harby was in dark space while the general was in the galactic core. Thats some serious idoc skills by Harby. Now imagine how effective it must be if Harby is literally feet away from Shepard.

You know... I never thought of that and that brings up a VERY interesting point.

Harbinger can control the Collectoer Leader all the way from Dark Space... being Harbinger's avatar and all but that is a REALLY long distance to maintain a connection. Maybe it has something to do with the heavy genetic modification and Repear-tech retrofitting of the Collectors? I remember that the Collector leader appears very weak after Habinger relinquishes control

But then when I think of Sovereign and Saren, the two were NEVER far from each other. Saren was always within range of Sovereign and Sovereign never took full control of Saren until after he recieved Reaper tech implants and was killed, reanimiating the corpse to be his avatar/vanguard. Saren mentions that his relationship with Sovereign is symbiotic on Virmire and when Saren is destroyed at the end of ME1, Sovereign suffers some kind of overload that stuns it.

Jeez, talking about overlooking a huge detail and it could possibly explain how being in close proximity of Harbinger during the run and after the attack would certainly trigger and much faster rate and attempt at complete indoctrination of Shepard. Just might in theory...