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[anarch1888]

Noob451 wrote...

luukee wrote...

anarch1888 wrote...

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the protheans were also an empire of different races, according to javik.

Not really, actually. Their empire incorporated many species, yes. But the Prothean species was the dominant one. They were the ones ruling the empire. The Prothean squadmate mentioned something about Protheans forcing other species into their empire, I believe.

By "Prothean Reaper" I meant a Reaper made from the Prothean species, the ones who initially founded the empire.

[JeffZero]

Destroy is Anderson's thought. It's a trinity of other opinions, not 'just' Saren and TIM with the 'bad' suggestions.

[savionen]

jackncoke28 wrote...

savionen wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Has the magic unlimited amo gun you get, after harbinger blast, been explained?

discussed and thought about, yes.

explained? no.

some think the gun = shepards willpower.

Another proof that it didn't really happened?

also if the gun is shepards willpower, you'll notice destroying the reapers is the only one that involves shooting it, showing that shepard is breaking free from indoctrination?  wheras the other 2 choices you are simply submitting.

You have infinite ammo at the beginning of the game as well. You don't actually "run out of ammo" until a certain spot, regardless of how much ammo you actually use.

There's many other games that have done this as well. It's a designer choice, so that the player doesn't break a game mechanic.

arent you forced to at least reload in the beginning of the game? plus you 2 shot kill a bullet sponge in that scene after the blast

I don't remember if you're forced to reload or not, but about 10 minutes into the game they say you're out of ammo, regardless of how many shots you took. It's to introduce the player to reloading, finding ammo, etc.

I definitely believe there is something to this indoctrination theory, but many of these aspects aren't just automatically related.

Shepard has a gun at the end, because that's what was required in order for their scenes to play out. If you had no gun, or Shepard happened to be out of ammo, you'd automatically fail at killing the Husks before you go through the pillar of light to the Citadel. Being forced to use a pistol is also more dramatic, when you could just snipe somebody from far away, shotgun somebody pointblank or biotic toss them off the citadel.

The Illusive Man however, pulling a gun out of nowhere, seems odd. Considering he could just have been holding it the entire time pretty easily.

Modifié par savionen, 13 mars 2012 - 08:07 .

[Elendstourist]

CptData wrote...

LillyRascal wrote...

Hm..ich glaub die Indoktrinierungstheorie.. hatte gerade Gespräch mit Edi auf der Brücke.. und sie meinte, die Reaper haben den Erdregierungen Einladungen für Gespräche gesandt, Frieden ect.. da meinte Shepi selbst.. jeder der an Bord eines Reaper geht,wird indoktriniert.. ist mir vorher nie aufgefallen.. aber man kann doch sehr sehr viel ins Spiel hinein interprtieren.. richtig schöne Verschwörungstheorie..müsst mal bei den Amis gucken,die packen die wüstesten Vermutungen aus..

Maybe you should stick with English here ^^

And dunno if your theory works. It's interesting, but doesn't really play out in the ending.

I think he got to the english forum by accident. Nearly happened to me too several times. German BioWar Social Network is strage sometimes

[prsquared]

Assuming this is the right thread for this.
Just before the Liara Romance scene, she's lying alongside Shepard, stargazing and I found this conversation interesting.

Liara: "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
Shepard: " Yeah, it would."
Liara: "To find someplace very far away, where you could spend the rest of your life... In peace. And happiness."

Make what you want of it.

Modifié par prsquared, 13 mars 2012 - 08:06 .

[LillyRascal]

Elendstourist wrote...

CptData wrote...

LillyRascal wrote...

Hm..ich glaub die Indoktrinierungstheorie.. hatte gerade Gespräch mit Edi auf der Brücke.. und sie meinte, die Reaper haben den Erdregierungen Einladungen für Gespräche gesandt, Frieden ect.. da meinte Shepi selbst.. jeder der an Bord eines Reaper geht,wird indoktriniert.. ist mir vorher nie aufgefallen.. aber man kann doch sehr sehr viel ins Spiel hinein interprtieren.. richtig schöne Verschwörungstheorie..müsst mal bei den Amis gucken,die packen die wüstesten Vermutungen aus..

Maybe you should stick with English here ^^

And dunno if your theory works. It's interesting, but doesn't really play out in the ending.

I think he got to the english forum by accident. Nearly happened to me too several times. German BioWar Social Network is strage sometimes

yap, Sorry

[Schief724]

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there

Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.

[Rafe34]

savionen wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Has the magic unlimited amo gun you get, after harbinger blast, been explained?

discussed and thought about, yes.

explained? no.

some think the gun = shepards willpower.

Another proof that it didn't really happened?

also if the gun is shepards willpower, you'll notice destroying the reapers is the only one that involves shooting it, showing that shepard is breaking free from indoctrination?  wheras the other 2 choices you are simply submitting.

You have infinite ammo at the beginning of the game as well. You don't actually "run out of ammo" until a certain spot, regardless of how much ammo you actually use.

There's many other games that have done this as well. It's a designer choice, so that the player doesn't break a game mechanic.

What? That's not true.

[CptData]

njfluffy19 wrote...

CptData wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

also if the gun is shepards willpower, you'll notice destroying the reapers is the only one that involves shooting it, showing that shepard is breaking free from indoctrination?  wheras the other 2 choices you are simply submitting.

The gun may indeed be Shepard's fighting spirit.

Keep in mind: Control & Merge endings are solutions brought up by Shepard's foes: Merge is the option Saren would take, Control is the one for TIM. The third option is Shepard's very own decision and it looks as if it's the one with the worst consequences.

Right?

Funny thing: we only have that kid's word the Geth and EDI may die if you pick that option. But how can you be sure he's not lying? After all, it's quite obvious he wants to preserve the Reapers, either in a Control Ending or in the Merge Ending, so he presents them as the better alternatives while "Destruction" seems to be the one he fears most.

So if Shepard picks that Destruction Ending, it's the only one Shepard truly picks while the other two are "forced" on him by either Saren or TIM. Picking the Destruction Ending might also be the only way to keep Shepard's character intact and if s/he got indoctrinated, then s/he might be able to break the indoctrination that way.

The Normandy's fate happens only in Shepard's mind - all Shepard wants is to know his/her ship & crew is safe. In reality, the Normandy is still in Sol System.

I have a question-- if you choose to sacrfice the Geth for the Quarians, does the dialogue at the end change at all? Why would you care if syntehtics are obliterated if you already killed them by your own volition?

No. It's a generic line regarding ALL kind of synthetic lifeforms, including VI / KI without a physical body.

I think the kid IS lying - regardless if it's a dream or not. The destruction pulse just kills the Mass Relays and the Reapers, but that's it. We don't see any Geth ships blowing up. And the lack of EDI in case of the Destruction Ending is easy to explain: if Shepard believes any synthetics got destroyed and the fate of the Normandy is just something his mind created for comfort or something, why should he believe EDI is still alive?

Just a theory, of course.

[njfluffy19]

prsquared wrote...

Assuming this is the right thread for this.
Just before the Liara Romance scene, she's lying alongside Shepard, stargazing and I found this conversation interesting.

Liara: "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
Shepard: " Yeah, it would."
Liara: "To find someplace very far away, where you could spend the rest of your life... In peace. And happiness."

Make what you want of it.

Perhaps foreshadowing or showing Shep's wishful thinking is presented in dream format at the end of the game. Either way, she should have taken him up on that subtle offer.

[JeffZero]

Shepard getting shot to the jungle planet, while just as seemingly absurd as any hole in the endings, would be a bit more evidence supporting 4chan guy's Rescue DLC gig.

[filetemo]

wait a minute:

if in the good ending we awake in the streets of London, what happens next? The citadel sequence was a dream then? Because you awake after that scene right? That means the war hasn't ended and the crucible hasn't been fired yet?

Please somebody explain

[Schief724]

Tsantilas wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

luukee wrote...

I've been thinking this for a while, especially more since we know what an actual prothean looks like.

http://images3.wikia...er_278x449.jpg 

http://images1.wikia...ean_Profile.png

If you compare these two pictures of Harbinger and a Prothean, you'll notice both have four eyes, both have that ridge like thing on the "head", and as far as I know Harbinger is also the only one to look like this.

I also think you're right about them wanting Shepard for the reaper base because s/he's the best example of humanity and their resitance agaisnt the Reapers, so why not turn that determination, power and attitude into a reaper?

the protheans were also an empire of different races, according to javik.

The codex says that harbinger is believed to be the oldest and largest reaper, so... no?

The codex entries are supposed to be written by people inside the Mass Effect universe. They aren't infallible. It would be just like one of us living in that universe and writing what we therorized to be true about the reapers. It might be based off of scientific research, but there is no possible way to find out if that's true or not.

[RobT2012]

luukee wrote...

anarch1888 wrote...

Well, from all that I gathered from the course of the previous 2 games:
Each Reaper is a unique being. Just remember the "human" Reaper that the Collectors were building and Sovereign saying "We are <...> each a nation" at the krogan facility in ME1. So, basically, each Reaper represents a former species that was harvested during previous "harvests".

Considering the unique attributes of each of the species it's plausible to infer that each Reaper has:

1) varying limits to their power. Compare Sovereign and Harbinger, for example. The difference is quite obvious (Harbinger being able to control thousands just on a whim). So, theoretically, a Reaper made from asari should kick the living **** out of a salarian Reaper when it comes to mind control.

2) varying nature of that power. For example, the distance at which victims can be controlled, the nature of the bonding between the slave and the master (one-way or both), etc.

Personally, I think that Harbinger could be a Prothean Reaper since mind-linking for Protheans comes just as natural as breathing as explained by your Prothean squadmate. That would actually open up new venues for many things, this theory included.

Just some food for thought (hopefully useful).
Sorry, if someone else already mentioned this - scanning through 340+ pages is a bit too much for me.

I've been thinking this for a while, especially more since we know what an actual prothean looks like.

http://images3.wikia...er_278x449.jpg



If you compare these two pictures of Harbinger and a Prothean, you'll notice both have four eyes, both have that ridge like thing on the "head", and as far as I know Harbinger is also the only one to look like this.

I also think you're right about them wanting Shepard for the reaper base because s/he's the best example of humanity and their resitance agaisnt the Reapers, so why not turn that determination, power and attitude into a reaper?

hmm imy not convinced, all reapers look like that on the outside. The game points that there is an internal repear unit inside. Like the human proto reaper, that was being built, would eventually be encased in the same shell as all reapers. Plus harbinger looks like the daddy reaper in the game, the head honcho, the big cheese, who has existed for many, many cycles, perhaps even the first created reaper altogether,

[Flammenpanzer]

prsquared wrote...

Assuming this is the right thread for this.
Just before the Liara Romance scene, she's lying alongside Shepard, stargazing and I found this conversation interesting.

Liara: "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
Shepard: " Yeah, it would."
Liara: "To find someplace very far away, where you could spend the rest of your life... In peace. And happiness."

Make what you want of it.

This quote is why I think the ending was suppused to be "Shepard and L.I" getting off the Normandy, rather than Joker and EDI....

[Schief724]

savionen wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

savionen wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

Elanor1 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

jackncoke28 wrote...

Has the magic unlimited amo gun you get, after harbinger blast, been explained?

discussed and thought about, yes.

explained? no.

some think the gun = shepards willpower.

Another proof that it didn't really happened?

also if the gun is shepards willpower, you'll notice destroying the reapers is the only one that involves shooting it, showing that shepard is breaking free from indoctrination?  wheras the other 2 choices you are simply submitting.

You have infinite ammo at the beginning of the game as well. You don't actually "run out of ammo" until a certain spot, regardless of how much ammo you actually use.

There's many other games that have done this as well. It's a designer choice, so that the player doesn't break a game mechanic.

arent you forced to at least reload in the beginning of the game? plus you 2 shot kill a bullet sponge in that scene after the blast

I don't remember if you're forced to reload or not, but about 10 minutes into the game they say you're out of ammo, regardless of how many shots you took. It's to introduce the player to reloading, finding ammo, etc.

I definitely believe there is something to this indoctrination theory, but many of these aspects aren't just automatically related.

Shepard has a gun at the end, because that's what was required in order for their scenes to play out. If you had no gun, or Shepard happened to be out of ammo, you'd automatically fail at killing the Husks before you go through the pillar of light to the Citadel. Being forced to use a pistol is also more dramatic, when you could just snipe somebody from far away, shotgun somebody pointblank or biotic toss them off the citadel.

The Illusive Man however, pulling a gun out of nowhere, seems odd. Considering he could just have been holding it the entire time pretty easily.

You ARE forced to reload in the beginning of the game.

[Noob451]

filetemo wrote...

wait a minute:

if in the good ending we awake in the streets of London, what happens next? The citadel sequence was a dream then? Because you awake after that scene right? That means the war hasn't ended and the crucible hasn't been fired yet?

Please somebody explain

that's exactly what that means.

[Dessalines]

JFedora wrote...

Moreover, in the Cerberus base, you can listen to the audio logs about the scientists putting Shepard back together, and s/he has a moment of doubt, asking "who or what am i?" Tali was there for my Shepard, insisting that everything was fine, but that's been bugging me for a while. We don't know anything about how they brought Shepard back to life - Reaper tech would be another way to impose indoctrination. So, Shepard is experiencing the dreams and swtuff as Harbinger tries to indoctrinate him from a distance, but when Harby realizes that Shepard is almost to the conduit, he comes down to bring an all-out assault on Shepard's mind.

Shep has implants. I know if you recruit the french Doctor, she gives you a medical check. She talks how she is suprised how quickly your implants were absorbed in your body. She states how they have some sort of protein.
She says, "It must be because of that surgery I had to remove my scars.
Doctor says, "It must be."

If the theory is true, then the conversation is not weird. If there is no theory of indoc, the conversation just seems out of place.. Since his brain was intact, I take it to mean he does not have a lot of implants in his brain.

Modifié par Dessalines, 13 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[JeffZero]

filetemo wrote...

wait a minute:

if in the good ending we awake in the streets of London, what happens next? The citadel sequence was a dream then? Because you awake after that scene right? That means the war hasn't ended and the crucible hasn't been fired yet?

Please somebody explain

If you buy into all this, then probably, yep.

[holyshock18]

filetemo wrote...

wait a minute:

if in the good ending we awake in the streets of London, what happens next? The citadel sequence was a dream then? Because you awake after that scene right? That means the war hasn't ended and the crucible hasn't been fired yet?

Please somebody explain

We cant explain that. That is why we are sure there is something missing from Bioware still

[mr.surv]

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

[Elendstourist]

Flammenpanzer wrote...

prsquared wrote...

Assuming this is the right thread for this.
Just before the Liara Romance scene, she's lying alongside Shepard, stargazing and I found this conversation interesting.

Liara: "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
Shepard: " Yeah, it would."
Liara: "To find someplace very far away, where you could spend the rest of your life... In peace. And happiness."

Make what you want of it.

This quote is why I think the ending was suppused to be "Shepard and L.I" getting off the Normandy, rather than Joker and EDI....

I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-

[hjacobs510]

Ok, so I'm grasping at straws, and this could just be the first stage of grief talking. But I noticed something on the second play through of the ending that with all of the other evidence previously posted supports in a very small way hallucination/attempted indoctrination.

I was mostly trying to speed through after the point that I get on the citadel, and I noticed that I couldn't speed through the dialog. I literally have no options about how the last few minutes of the game play out. I have to go along one path. I can't choose a different weapon or powers. I can't even skip though TIM's BS because I've heard it all before .

Completely a stretch. There are other point in the game that you can't skip through. Also, I'm not sure if this holds true for less narrative versions of the game than I played.

[DonutsDealer]

Just turn on the volume, then play the "breathing" scene and you'll hear a noise that sounds like a reaper. Or maybe it's just that my sound system is bad, but could be something to think about.

[Schief724]

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Of course, why not? Actually I did and I would advise anybody else to because of his unique perspective.