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[Rafe34]

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

Modifié par Rafe34, 13 mars 2012 - 08:12 .

[njfluffy19]

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-

Implications... :innocent:

[squee365]

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

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[savionen]

Rafe34 wrote...

What? That's not true.

I sat there taking pop-shots at a reaper for like 5 minutes one time I started a game, while I was doing something else.

I never ran out of ammo. At the very beginning of the game you can't run out of ammo. Simply that you have infinite ammo doesn't mean anything other than that they're using it as a game mechanic.

As I said, in terms of game design, if they want the story to have Shepard dragging around with a pistol at the end of the game to be more dramatic, what would they do if the player didn't have a pistol in their inventory at all? Finding a pistol on the ground infront of you would be clunky, especially since you apparently don't have your other weapons because of the blast.

[Sl4sh3r]

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

Broken link

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[holyshock18]

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

Your link dosent work

[Little Lummo]

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there

Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.

Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.

[Schief724]

savionen wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

What? That's not true.

I sat there taking pop-shots at a reaper for like 5 minutes one time I started a game, while I was doing something else.

I never ran out of ammo. At the very beginning of the game you can't run out of ammo. Simply that you have infinite ammo doesn't mean anything other than that they're using it as a game mechanic.

As I said, in terms of game design, if they want the story to have Shepard dragging around with a pistol at the end of the game to be more dramatic, what would they do if the player didn't have a pistol in their inventory at all? Finding a pistol on the ground infront of you would be clunky, especially since you apparently don't have your other weapons because of the blast.

You don't run out of ammo, but you most certainly DO have to eject thermal clips. 

[JeffZero]

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.

[Byakuren2009]

holyshock18 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

Your link dosent work

Add www. when you paste it

[Jade5233]

JFedora wrote...

Kayjin23 wrote...

Vlta wrote...

If this theory or the indoctrination proves true I doubt it would be because it was Bioware's plan all along. It would probably be more likely that they just used this idea to appease the masses and the three half baked endings really were their endings.

(If the theory really is their idea then after I get my real ending I'm done with Bioware, getting trolled is bad enough, being forced to purchase the real ending for a game is ridiculous)

These are my thoughts exactly. Why everyone is painting Bioware as heroes if this is actually true is beyond me. You're all really happy that they could've planned to troll us all along? I get the feeling everyone is just desperate enough to look for any escape to the terrible endings we got and so flocked to this.

I can't speak for everybody, but I don't see it as a troll - I see it as incredibly innovative storytelling. The whole point of mass effect has been to engage and involve the player in the story. Doing this is an really interesting way of putting the player into the game, by actually tricking US, rather than just tricking Shepard. On the one hand, whenever I leave this thread and look at some others (like ones talking about why the endings are perfectly fine as they are), I get a little depressed again, because this theory is really, really far-fetched. Even if Bioware planned to do this, why wouldn't they have the "real" endings on the disk AFTER this? That would have been really interesting - the game could end after you choose synthesis and control, and you wouldn't know the difference until other people starting talking about the REAL ending after you choose destroy with high EMS. There's no real reason why they would cut off an additional ending from the rest of the game.

But the alternative to this theory is believing that Bioware royally screwed up. Is it easier to believe that Bioware successfully produced an otherwise incredible game but left a ton of plot holes at the end, or that they're not quite done yet? I'm pretty sure we all know that this theory is a long shot at best, but until I'm told by bioware "shut your crazed whinings already, you're wrong", I'm going to hold out for more.

I agree that its far fetched.  However, I prefer this answer to the other more likely ones out there.  Because it makes more sense to me.  And it will be my ending in my head canon until the devs actually DO SOMETHING about the ending.

But you asked why they wouldn't just put the "real" ending into the game.  Remember the various waves of data mining with leaked betas and leaked finished game info that have happened in the past several months?  If its not on the disc, its MUCH harder to be leaked.

I'm not saying that this is actually what they have done in reality.  But if they did think of the indoctrination/hallucination ending pulling the player even further into the story and if they do have a real finish to the game out there waiting for people to finish a playthrough or two before releasing it, then they are brilliant.

[Elendstourist]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-

Implications... :innocent:

Indeed. Thats not what you want to see as the player.

[mr.surv]

Schief724 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Of course, why not? Actually I did and I would advise anybody else to because of his unique perspective.

I dont have this DLC ;p (maybe if BW end ME3 with proper final I will buy it)

Just asking cuz, it must be sooooo interesting

[alienatedflea]

well but the small fact is that TIM didn't think he was indoctrinated but he clearly was and we were told about this from the god child...Shep is not indoctrinated because he is not under their control bc of this, he can take control of the Reapers...

[Schief724]

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there

Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.

Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.

No, it connected to the relay in Ilos's sytem. They still had to fly there in the Normandy.

[Reptilian Rob]

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 13 mars 2012 - 08:15 .

[Zulmoka531]

Gotta copy/paste the link, imgur doesn't like to redirect from these forums it seems.

[Rafe34]

squee365 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

broken link

Copy-paste it. Imgur doesn't like these forums, just copy paste to browser window instead of clicking on it.

Modifié par Rafe34, 13 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Falar]

Edited: Posted the image, but link broke. Ignore this post.

Modifié par Falar, 13 mars 2012 - 08:16 .

[Dessalines]

it seems like the theory is true. It is the little things like when the IM talks about taking Anderson. Do you want to be a person that finds his answers at the end of a gun, the game shifts views so you are looking down the barrel of your gun.

[RobT2012]

Thermorium wrote...

anarch1888 wrote...

Well, from all that I gathered from the course of the previous 2 games:
Each Reaper is a unique being. Just remember the "human" Reaper that the Collectors were building and Sovereign saying "We are <...> each a nation" at the krogan facility in ME1. So, basically, each Reaper represents a former species that was harvested during previous "harvests".

Considering the unique attributes of each of the species it's plausible to infer that each Reaper has:

1) varying limits to their power. Compare Sovereign and Harbinger, for example. The difference is quite obvious (Harbinger being able to control thousands just on a whim). So, theoretically, a Reaper made from asari should kick the living **** out of a salarian Reaper when it comes to mind control.

2) varying nature of that power. For example, the distance at which victims can be controlled, the nature of the bonding between the slave and the master (one-way or both), etc.

Personally, I think that Harbinger could be a Prothean Reaper since mind-linking for Protheans comes just as natural as breathing as explained by your Prothean squadmate. That would actually open up new venues for many things, this theory included.

Just some food for thought (hopefully useful).
Sorry, if someone else already mentioned this - scanning through 340+ pages is a bit too much for me.

But hasn´t this been addressed in ME2, were it was said that the protheans weren´t suitable to be made into a Reaper, and were all indoctrinated in the end to make the Collectors?

the collector general was sat in a base built of reaper tech, that was actually building a human reaper. So the collector general really couldnt any closer than that to a reaper indoctrination field. I dont think it points to a greater mind bending power that harbinger has over all other reapers. Its still a local effect. Harby just uses a quantum entangler to end his thoughts to the collector base, and the local  idoc field does the rest,

[anarch1888]

hjacobs510 wrote...

Ok, so I'm grasping at straws, and this could just be the first stage of grief talking. But I noticed something on the second play through of the ending that with all of the other evidence previously posted supports in a very small way hallucination/attempted indoctrination.

I was mostly trying to speed through after the point that I get on the citadel, and I noticed that I couldn't speed through the dialog. I literally have no options about how the last few minutes of the game play out. I have to go along one path. I can't choose a different weapon or powers. I can't even skip though TIM's BS because I've heard it all before .

Completely a stretch. There are other point in the game that you can't skip through. Also, I'm not sure if this holds true for less narrative versions of the game than I played.

Hmmm... Sorry, but not sure that that's any proof. You can't really save at that time as well. But that may be an indicator of Bioware snipping the proper end and covering the railroading the part just as well as the proof of the theory.

[Descedent]

Schief724 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Of course, why not? Actually I did and I would advise anybody else to because of his unique perspective.

I couldn't imagine not having him at Thessia, I wonder what the hell is said without him there! He says so much!

[JeffZero]

The Hudson thing is just that pic criticizing his word choice re: the endings.

[Noob451]

holyshock18 wrote...

Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?

Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.

Your link dosent work

www.i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png  


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