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njfluffy19

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JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.


Thank you for that constructive reply. *Applauds*

This isn't about trying to convince you or not, it's about enlightenment to other possibilities. People are flocking here because there are so many questions. If you want to be a pessimist, by all means, go ahead. No one is demanding you believe this theory. For all we know, it's all headcanon and the three (crappy) options are all there is to it. However, I'd rather have some hope.

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Mass effect fields can retain heat and atmosphere. Like on Menae, Palaven moon. Thats why you can breathe there without a helm. It's written in the description. So I guess it could work for the Citadel to. Not sure if this has already been discussed...

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Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.

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JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.


I probably just missed your post Jeff, and I've always respected your opinion, but why don't you think the theory is valid?

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Rafe34 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

Is it possible to take Javik to Thessia?


Yes.

Also, either this is a complete lie from Casey: 
http://i.imgur.com/xUq9t.png 

Or we have yet to see the real ending.


hahaha that's going straight to failblog if they don't patch the ending :devil:

Modifié par kent80082006, 13 mars 2012 - 08:17 .


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Schief724 wrote...


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.


Illum? The prothean ruins... makes sense for all the rubble as well... Just throwing that out there.

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mr.surv wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

mr.surv wrote...

*snip*


*snip*


I dont have this DLC ;p (maybe if BW end ME3 with proper final I will buy it)

Just asking cuz, it must be sooooo interesting


It really is interesting, I enjoyed it alot. You can watch it here at about 2:50 onwards:  

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I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

Modifié par -Draikin-, 13 mars 2012 - 08:18 .


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danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.


can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?

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prsquared wrote...

Assuming this is the right thread for this.
Just before the Liara Romance scene, she's lying alongside Shepard, stargazing and I found this conversation interesting.

Liara: "It would be easy for a single ship to get lost up there, wouldn't it?"
Shepard: " Yeah, it would."
Liara: "To find someplace very far away, where you could spend the rest of your life... In peace. And happiness."

Make what you want of it.

LOl, I mention this before. I was wondering do the other LI's talk about this.

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danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.


That's interesting. Actually I missed this segment, anyone cares to elaborate?

EDIT: Ninja'd!

Modifié par Galadh, 13 mars 2012 - 08:19 .


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njfluffy19 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-


Implications... :innocent:


Yeah, the mighty "James screws Ashley" issue most Ashley fans have :whistle:

It won't happen. The entire Normandy scene is part of Shepard's dying hallucination - to comfort him and make him believing the Normandy made it out of the mess somehow.

But seriously: do you have an idea how LITTLE the chance is the Normandy got pulled out of a jump at the right moment to crash on a planet and survive that crash, especially since she got ripped apart as seen in her final moments?

- getting pulled out of jump in a star system: 1:1,000,000,000
- that star system has a garden world: 1:1,000
- that garden world meets human requirements: 1:1,000
- the Normandy ends right in the orbit of said world: 1:1,000,000
- the Normandy survives the crash: 1:1,000

Uhhh ... now multiply that stuff.

It's pretty much impossible, so to speak. And I'm not even using real numbers here :P
It HAS to be a dream of Shepard. Or something.

Modifié par CptData, 13 mars 2012 - 08:19 .


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holyshock18

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Thanks all :)

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.



Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

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Tygur wrote...

Schief724 wrote...


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.


Illum? The prothean ruins... makes sense for all the rubble as well... Just throwing that out there.


Again, no. It linked to the system that Illium was in. Not the planet itself.

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Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there :P


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.


Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.


No, it connected to the relay in Ilos's sytem. They still had to fly there in the Normandy.


There was a relay on the ground on Ilos though wasnt there? I mean the one that shot you to the Citadel.

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so, if the ending is an allucination and we wake up in london, there's no real ending right?

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Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.


can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?

Shepard has a hamster?

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holyshock18

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-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?


Nah i am expecting them to come with some kinda answer.

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Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.


can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?


That animals can react with fear or anger in response to idoctrination or indoctrinated

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Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there :P


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.


Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.


No, it connected to the relay in Ilos's sytem. They still had to fly there in the Normandy.



There was a relay on the ground on Ilos though wasnt there? I mean the one that shot you to the Citadel.


that was the conduit, same thing that was in london

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Schief724

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Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there :P


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.


Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.


No, it connected to the relay in Ilos's sytem. They still had to fly there in the Normandy.


There was a relay on the ground on Ilos though wasnt there? I mean the one that shot you to the Citadel.


Yes, called the Conduit that the Protheans built. It was a one way relay that only shot directly to the Citadel and not back to Ilos.

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danvla wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.


can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?


That animals can react with fear or anger in response to idoctrination or indoctrinated


ah, okay... that's interesting, considering that hamster is always scared of you.

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Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.


The leaked ending is the same as this one....

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Elendstourist wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-


Implications... :innocent:



Indeed. Thats not what you want to see as the player.


I'm pretty sure that, going with the indoctrination theory, the Normandy crash and who gets out is a mix of Shep wanting her/his crew to be safe and the Reapers throwing one final punch at Shep's mentality. Seeing your LI exit gives Shep the knowledge that they lived, seemingly, but on the other hand they're deserted on an unknown planet and they abandoned Shepard. A double edged sword, so to speak.