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[njfluffy19]

CptData wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-

Implications... :innocent:

Yeah, the mighty "James screws Ashley" issue most Ashley fans have 

It won't happen. The entire Normandy scene is part of Shepard's dying hallucination - to comfort him and make him believing the Normandy made it out of the mess somehow.

But seriously: do you have an idea how LITTLE the chance is the Normandy got pulled out of a jump at the right moment to crash on a planet and survive that crash, especially since she got ripped apart as seen in her final moments?

- getting pulled out of jump in a star system: 1:1,000,000,000
- that star system has a garden world: 1:1,000
- that garden world meets human requirements: 1:1,000
- the Normandy ends right in the orbit of said world: 1:1,000,000
- the Normandy survives the crash: 1:1,000

Uhhh ... now multiply that stuff.

It's pretty much impossible, so to speak. And I'm not even using real numbers here
It HAS to be a dream of Shepard. Or something.

But it's already established that Shepard is damn lucky and cheats! Refer to romance with Traynor.


But yeah, I agree with you. I would prefer dreaming to... SPACE MAGIC!

[Revan87]

Just checked the game files on the hdd and on the second dvd. On the Hdd there are 24 files from BioD_Cat002_*****. But on the Dvd there are 93. Cat... hm Catalyst? Same with End_001/002. There are more files on the DVD then on the game folder. Yes there are some language specific files on the dvd, but still, there are too much files missing... Can please someone else check this!

I hope my english is not too bad!

[Outlaw704]

JeffZero wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

What makes you so sure? How the hell did Shepard land on a jungle planet??  It is totally impossible. If the ME 3 ending was literal, Shepard has to be dead from the explosion.. but the "secret" ending where Shepard lives shows him in concrete rubble, which most certainly is not on a jungle planet.. so what makes you so sure the indoc theory isn't true but believe in this total bollocks?

Modifié par Outlaw704, 13 mars 2012 - 08:22 .

[oyukichan]

I read the OP, but not the 300+ pages of responses, so I'm really sorry if this has been said before. Shep is wearing armor on the Citadel. It is busted to hell and missing in some places, but you can clearly see the back joints and the amp/gun attachment plates on the back.

The other thing that I have come to take away from the Anderson/TIM/Shepard experience on the Citadel is that if indeed it is Shep being indoctrinated (which I think it is), TIM is the physical representation of Shepard's cybernetic or synthetic parts and Anderson is the representation of Shepard's organic parts This is evidenced by the fact that if Shep manages to shoot TIM, instead of letting TIM make Shepard shoot Anderson, Shep can live with 4000 effective military strength (Destroy option). If Shep shoots Anderson, then you need 5000 EMS for Shep to live, because you failed to protect your own humanity.

Personally, I thought I could reason with TIM, drawing out the conversation through Charm options (and let me tell you I will be taking that first bottom-right choice next time). I cannot remember if I chose any Intimidate options, so if any of you did and you know that it results in Shep shooting TIM first, please, please let me know. And, of course, Charming TIM results in his going the redeemed Saren route.

Modifié par AurinShepard, 13 mars 2012 - 08:24 .

[ArkkAngel007]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

...How was it changed from the script?  Only difference was that the relays are destroyed in every choice.  The only thing missing was the dialogue between Stargazer and Stargazer-ankle-biter.  The Normandy stuff wouldn't have been in the script, as it's purely a cutscene with no dialogue.  Many of the cutscenes in the game aren't described in the script.

[CptData]

JeffZero wrote...

Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

Maybe not. Hallucination theory works better than indoctrination tbh.

The entire Normandy deal is fishy. I tried to explain before: it's nearly impossible that the ship got pulled out of jump in a star system with a garden world right in orbit of said world and crashland intact (since the Normandy lost her propulsion, she couldn't even limp to that planet).

Impossible. 1:1,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 or something.

Shepard makes it up in his/her mind in his/her dying moment - for comfort reasons only.

[Sharrack]

-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

More like: We wanted you to really feel the despair now here is your hope.

[panamakira]

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

[savionen]

danvla wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.

can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?

That animals can react with fear or anger in response to idoctrination or indoctrinated

My fish ran away!

[LenabotSE]

On Harbinger:

The codex describes him as one of the "oldest" Reapers - who have perpetuated their cycle of destruction for millions upon millions of years. He predates the Protheans. And the predecessors of the Protheans. And their predecessors. It's not certain if he's the first Reaper, but if he isn't, then it's implied he's one of the first. The species he was based off of may have easily been the species who designed him.


On the ending's aftermath:

In all honesty, I think there's a very good (to almost certain) chance that they will not release extended endings DLC. I think that they're just going to leave it as-is and say that "players can figure it out for themselves." Leave it ambiguous. Which they said they weren't going to do, but that doesn't necessarily mean much.

That said, regardless of whatever evidence has been funneled into the theory, the fact that Shepard wakes up in the rubble of London almost outright confirms that everything after Harbinger's beam did not happen. Even if Shepard could survive the initial explosion in Destroy, (s)he sure as hell didn't survive the entire Citadel exploding. Everything else just adds weight to it.


If they DO release DLC, which would be amazing, then - if you picked Control of Synthesis - Shepard should wake up in an indoctrinated state and start firing on allies while 'mental noise' takes over the audio. The player has to fight against the controls to avoid hitting squadmates and allies until Shepard can "snap out of it" and regain control.

If you were fortunate enough to pick Destroy, then you are awarded a moment of "I'm indoctrinated!" clarity before Harbinger cranks it up to 11 and seizes control regardless. That would be most fair to players who mistakenly chose other endings.

After breaking free, you finish the mission. Which could go any number of ways.

[BeardedPuma]

alienatedflea wrote...

well but the small fact is that TIM didn't think he was indoctrinated but he clearly was and we were told about this from the god child...Shep is not indoctrinated because he is not under their control bc of this, he can take control of the Reapers...

God child lied.
Falling for this means you are becoming indoctrinated.
Of course he would say. "But you! you are different, you can control us."
If TIM is indoctrinated, he was probably told the same thing and believed it.  

[njfluffy19]

Noob451 wrote...

ah, okay... that's interesting, considering that hamster is always scared of you.

Now this is getting... silly...

Though I did have to put some effort into catching Boo.

[Little Lummo]

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Schief724 wrote...

Little Lummo wrote...

Somebody mentioned the Citadel is a mass relay which i forgot. Even though its highly unlikely... Any chance that as the beam fired or something, Shepard got shot to a different planet by the relay? Lol i'm just throwing any idea out there

Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.

Ilos did, who knows what other relays there could be, anyway i'm just putting it out there.

No, it connected to the relay in Ilos's sytem. They still had to fly there in the Normandy.

There was a relay on the ground on Ilos though wasnt there? I mean the one that shot you to the Citadel.

Yes, called the Conduit that the Protheans built. It was a one way relay that only shot directly to the Citadel and not back to Ilos.

Oh yea! Thanks for correcting me...  Guess thats that idea out the window!

[hex23]

JeffZero wrote...
Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

His proposed DLC makes no sense because Shepard isn't in the jungle.

I've noticed the most vocal people against the indoctrination theory invariably don't know what the hell they're talking about.

[Elendstourist]

CptData wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...


I had Joker, Ashley and James getting off the stranded Normandy. Which is a little awkward, because Ashley was my LI since ME1 -.-

Implications... :innocent:

Yeah, the mighty "James screws Ashley" issue most Ashley fans have 

It won't happen. The entire Normandy scene is part of Shepard's dying hallucination - to comfort him and make him believing the Normandy made it out of the mess somehow.

But seriously: do you have an idea how LITTLE the chance is the Normandy got pulled out of a jump at the right moment to crash on a planet and survive that crash, especially since she got ripped apart as seen in her final moments?

- getting pulled out of jump in a star system: 1:1,000,000,000
- that star system has a garden world: 1:1,000
- that garden world meets human requirements: 1:1,000
- the Normandy ends right in the orbit of said world: 1:1,000,000
- the Normandy survives the crash: 1:1,000

Uhhh ... now multiply that stuff.

It's pretty much impossible, so to speak. And I'm not even using real numbers here
It HAS to be a dream of Shepard. Or something.

I am not in love with Ashley, if you meant that by saying "issue"


But seriously:
I also think it is Shepards dream. After everything that happens, he wants his crew to be alive, save and in a peaceful place. Therefor I agree with your arguments about the little chances of surviving. Its just his wish.

[JeffZero]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.

I probably just missed your post Jeff, and I've always respected your opinion, but why don't you think the theory is valid?

Resources. It all comes down to resources for me. The amount of money it will cost to deliver a more satisfactory indoctrination-proving rendition is much higher than the cost of making DLCs and given the smaller sales of ME2's DLC versus the main game I just don't see them aiming for this.

Then there's the VI that fails to detect Shepard's indoctrination. And the more-believable 4chan 'minor Bioware employee' claim of a postgame DLC focusing instead on the Alliance rescuing Normandy survivors as this would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make.

[Outlaw704]

panamakira wrote...

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

if your squadmates died then its not the perfect ending, The "Perfect"  ending is +5000 EMS

[LastChanceofgod]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

All theories like that work (even laziness) until you realize that there are just to many mistakes. I can accept a few things being overlooked, but a lot was, a lot. Not to mention, a lot of the interviews they had were recent AND I remember someone posting about how those files were in there for a long time. 

[Sharrack]

BeardedPuma wrote...

alienatedflea wrote...

well but the small fact is that TIM didn't think he was indoctrinated but he clearly was and we were told about this from the god child...Shep is not indoctrinated because he is not under their control bc of this, he can take control of the Reapers...

God child lied.
Falling for this means you are becoming indoctrinated.
Of course he would say. "But you! you are different, you can control us."
If TIM is indoctrinated, he was probably told the same thing and believed it.  

Morinth anyone

[Outlaw704]

JeffZero wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.

I probably just missed your post Jeff, and I've always respected your opinion, but why don't you think the theory is valid?

Resources. It all comes down to resources for me. The amount of money it will cost to deliver a more satisfactory indoctrination-proving rendition is much higher than the cost of making DLCs and given the smaller sales of ME2's DLC versus the main game I just don't see them aiming for this.

Then there's the VI that fails to detect Shepard's indoctrination. And the more-believable 4chan 'minor Bioware employee' claim of a postgame DLC focusing instead on the Alliance rescuing Normandy survivors as this would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make.

Bioware making Dragon Age Awakenings debunks everything you say about resources/pricing/cost

[Sciffan]

Okay so I haven't seen much speculation on the synthesis ending yet (haven't read through anything) but from what I have read you require a certain amount of war assets to get this ending. It is referred to a synthesis of organic and synthetic into a new and better species. It is referred to as the "salvation" (not entirely sure but I remember the star child using this word). No where as this been mentioned before..... The Reapers. They said they were our "salvation." And maybe because we brought enough of the galaxy together to hurt them they wish to replenish their numbers. They give Shepard the chance to do chose become part of a new Reaper.

Also attempting to control the Reapers is referred to as something that only the indoctrinated would do. Javik mentions a faction of the Protheans that were indoctrinated and attempted to control the Reapers.

[anarch1888]

RobT2012 wrote...

the collector general was sat in a base built of reaper tech, that was actually building a human reaper. So the collector general really couldnt any closer than that to a reaper indoctrination field. I dont think it points to a greater mind bending power that harbinger has over all other reapers. Its still a local effect. Harby just uses a quantum entangler to end his thoughts to the collector base, and the local idoc field does the rest,

Well, even if he did do it through the QED, there's still the difference in sheer numbers that Harbinger and Sovereign controlled. The Geth in ME1 were there on their own free will if I remember it correctly.

-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

Dunno. I'm here just for the kicks of speculation.

[LadyofRivendell]

Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

danvla wrote...

Hey, i've got great idea that has managed to avoid your attention. The last paragraph in codex about indotctrination tells about animals reaction. Think about hamster in shepards cabin.

can you enlighten me about the last paragraph?

That animals can react with fear or anger in response to idoctrination or indoctrinated

ah, okay... that's interesting, considering that hamster is always scared of you.

The last two hamsters I had as a kid always ran from me. Have I been indoctrinated all these years...?

Or are they just rodents with a natural tendancy to run?

[FrostByte-GER]

I made this little rage comic while I am waiting for the real end...
http://s14.directupl...5emdiqf_png.htm