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[savionen]

JeffZero wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.

I probably just missed your post Jeff, and I've always respected your opinion, but why don't you think the theory is valid?

Resources. It all comes down to resources for me. The amount of money it will cost to deliver a more satisfactory indoctrination-proving rendition is much higher than the cost of making DLCs and given the smaller sales of ME2's DLC versus the main game I just don't see them aiming for this.

Then there's the VI that fails to detect Shepard's indoctrination. And the more-believable 4chan 'minor Bioware employee' claim of a postgame DLC focusing instead on the Alliance rescuing Normandy survivors as this would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make.

The DLC list says the Alliance comes to rescue Shepard. Shepard is on Earth, under rubble, not in the jungle. So it already doesn't make sense.

Modifié par savionen, 13 mars 2012 - 08:26 .

[Revan87]

BrotherWarth wrote...

I don't think there's some devious plan to sell a "true" ending as DLC or that the end is a dream. I think it's just lousy writing. I think they had no idea how the series was going to end until it was time to write ME3 and this is what they came up with.

You don't start to write a series if you don't know how to end it!

[Fledgey]

MatthewGold wrote...

iSpitfireee wrote...

Once Shepard gets to the citadel, all the bodies have had their eyes ripped out and their heads shaved. Also they all have "plain" faces, kind of like doll faces. This may be dream evidence some how. Also how are there bodies on the chasm when there is a door? + You can hear a door open when Anderson says "I found a way out" but the sound is coming from on top of you.

Sorry for the overload of new info but im not done yet

When you are talking to TIM and Anderson you can hear the vibration sound in the back ground, then it hits Shepard. It seems like something in the room is creating that sound and making Shepard do that action, it might not be TIM?

Go here and go to 0:25 and stay focused on Shepards body. Notice that the tank explodes Shepard is no where to be found?

One last thing. go here watch from 0:43 - 0:45 and focus on the boy. When he disappears a more adult size aspiration makes an appearance for a brief second. Maybe if we use Shepard and the Boy as a template from the dream we can place the young boy as a Shepard when he was a young kid?

FemShep wouldn't be a young boy, though. 

The greatest plot twist of all...

[Tygur]

Schief724 wrote...

Tygur wrote...

Schief724 wrote...


Relays don't link directly to a planet, let alone a planet with rubble scattered all over it.

Illum? The prothean ruins... makes sense for all the rubble as well... Just throwing that out there.

Again, no. It linked to the system that Illium was in. Not the planet itself.

I meant Ilos, I get those confused. The conduit thing was directly linked to the citadel, you drive into it from the planet's surface... and go straight to the presidium.

[JeffZero]

@hex


You've also missed all my posts where I've pointed out the lack of logic there but mentioned that in the past his post revealing LoTSB got a few details off as well and also that technically most absurdities are now possible after the space magic of Synthesis. If I may be so bold for one sentence here you have also missed the many positive, constructive posts I have made on BSN for over a year now in which I have clearly proven I don't make it a habit to jump in blindly.

Modifié par JeffZero, 13 mars 2012 - 08:28 .

[hex23]

-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

No one put a time limit on Bioware correcting this, so no you aren't correct. The game isn't even out in every region yet.

[Byakuren2009]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

I made this little rage comic while I am waiting for the real end...
http://s14.directupl...5emdiqf_png.htm

Nice

[danvla]

njfluffy19 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

ah, okay... that's interesting, considering that hamster is always scared of you.

Now this is getting... silly...

Though I did have to put some effort into catching Boo.

That was a joke. It is always scared because it is in its instincts: it is scared of larger animal. No indoctrination here, just distilled silliness.

[FLYING GRENADE11]

Bioware's face when they see we hated the ending.

[cyric085]

www.youtube.com/watch

watch this, especially the part where the citadel explodes and the other part where shep is taking a deep breath (same as when she wakes up from that nightmare).
thats not poor and sloopy writing (since the last scene is totally unnecessary if it would be), there is definitely more to it.

[hex23]

JeffZero wrote...

You've also missed all my posts where I've pointed out the lack of logic there but mentioned that in the past his post revealing LoTSB got a few details off as well and also that technically most absurdities are now possible after the space magic of Synthesis. If I may be so bold for one sentence here you have also missed the many positive, constructive posts I have made on BSN for over a year now in which I have clearly proven I don't make it a habit to jump in blindly.

I didn't mean you, I meant the guy that was obviously trolling with the fake DLC. Anyone with half a brain would know it's fake because Shepard isn't in the jungle....meaning the guy that made that up didn't even research what he was lying about.

[Zyrious]

I cant believe this has gotten traction. Think about this for a moment, what's more likely: they thought that a completely unhinted at shock-ending would be artsy and surprise people in a good way, or that they completely left the "true" ending out and it was all a "dream" sequence with few hints to be discussed on forums most gamers wont even visit?

If the indoctrination theory were true, first off you'd wake up in all 3 endings, just indoctrinated in 2 of them. Second off you wouldnt only survive with EMS at 5000 since EMS would be irrelevant to this theory. Third: Harbinger shot at you to kill you, not use a magic indoctrination laser on you.

The whole theory is reaching and i think you actually do bioware a greater disservice to claim they purposefully left out the "true" ending rather than just miscalculating and making a bad ending to an otherwise awesome story and game.

Modifié par Zyrious, 13 mars 2012 - 08:31 .

[unclee]

LenabotSE wrote...
That said, regardless of whatever evidence has been funneled into the theory, the fact that Shepard wakes up in the rubble of London almost outright confirms that everything after Harbinger's beam did not happen. Even if Shepard could survive the initial explosion in Destroy, (s)he sure as hell didn't survive the entire Citadel exploding. Everything else just adds weight to it.

^This. So much. That was the BIGGEST thing for me when I got that scene. I'm the kind of person who can let some stuff go and overlook things as "space magic," but a fall through the atmosphere is too much for me to still believe.

[JeffZero]

savionen wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Yep, still not buying it, folks. Wouldn't mind being wrong though. Time will tell.

I probably just missed your post Jeff, and I've always respected your opinion, but why don't you think the theory is valid?

Resources. It all comes down to resources for me. The amount of money it will cost to deliver a more satisfactory indoctrination-proving rendition is much higher than the cost of making DLCs and given the smaller sales of ME2's DLC versus the main game I just don't see them aiming for this.

Then there's the VI that fails to detect Shepard's indoctrination. And the more-believable 4chan 'minor Bioware employee' claim of a postgame DLC focusing instead on the Alliance rescuing Normandy survivors as this would be a hell of a lot cheaper to make.

The DLC list says the Alliance comes to rescue Shepard. Shepard is on Earth, under rubble, not in the jungle. So it already doesn't make sense.

I'm well aware of this. I'm also aware that this guy leaked the existence of LOTSB with remarkable but flawed detail back in 2010.

[panamakira]

Outlaw704 wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

if your squadmates died then its not the perfect ending, The "Perfect"  ending is +5000 EMS

Oh so that means I didn't get 5000 EMS....oh well. Anyway, dead Kaidan and Garrus still magically appeared in the Normandy scene....so yeah.....about that......

[H3xTech]

LenabotSE wrote...
If they DO release DLC, which would be amazing, then - if you picked Control of Synthesis - Shepard should wake up in an indoctrinated state and start firing on allies while 'mental noise' takes over the audio. The player has to fight against the controls to avoid hitting squadmates and allies until Shepard can "snap out of it" and regain control.

If you were fortunate enough to pick Destroy, then you are awarded a moment of "I'm indoctrinated!" clarity before Harbinger cranks it up to 11 and seizes control regardless. That would be most fair to players who mistakenly chose other endings.

After breaking free, you finish the mission. Which could go any number of ways.

I hope, but if it's going to be extended I'm expecting a wrong choice could just give the critical mission failure.

[Verit]

holyshock18 wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

Nah i am expecting them to come with some kinda answer.

Sure, but what answer are you hoping for? I think the only thing this thread is doing is sending the entire community on a wild-goose chase. People here are trying to pick the ending apart completely but fail to see the bigger picture.

Modifié par -Draikin-, 13 mars 2012 - 08:45 .

[Outlaw704]

JeffZero wrote...

@hex


You've also missed all my posts where I've pointed out the lack of logic there but mentioned that in the past his post revealing LoTSB got a few details off as well and also that technically most absurdities are now possible after the space magic of Synthesis. If I may be so bold for one sentence here you have also missed the many positive, constructive posts I have made on BSN for over a year now in which I have clearly proven I don't make it a habit to jump in blindly.

The space magic makes sense because it was all an indoctrinated induced hallucination, care to explain the logic fallacies you find?  Ironically the ending makes way more sense if its figurative like this thread suggests then if its suppose to be taken literal.

Modifié par Outlaw704, 13 mars 2012 - 08:32 .

[Rob_K1]

camcon2100 wrote...

Not sure if you guys heard this but you hear a reaper shout at 4:34 here
here
Also when Shepard is looking for the kid at 0:56 seconds 
here
Hmm interesting they sound very familiar and if anything prove that when Shep wakes up there are still reapers around!

Bingo! I think? 

[Milvushina]

panamakira wrote...

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

Did you get the "perfect ending"?

I thought you had to have a very low EMS to see the dead squadmates, and a very high EMS to see the perfect ending.

Was Kaidan your LI?  If so was he still on the jungle planet even though you saw his body?

[De1ta G]

JeffZero wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

So you believe some random idiot on 4chan but not all this evidence we've found supporting the indoc theory...

[Tygur]

hex23 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

You've also missed all my posts where I've pointed out the lack of logic there but mentioned that in the past his post revealing LoTSB got a few details off as well and also that technically most absurdities are now possible after the space magic of Synthesis. If I may be so bold for one sentence here you have also missed the many positive, constructive posts I have made on BSN for over a year now in which I have clearly proven I don't make it a habit to jump in blindly.

I didn't mean you, I meant the guy that was obviously trolling with the fake DLC. Anyone with half a brain would know it's fake because Shepard isn't in the jungle....meaning the guy that made that up didn't even research what he was lying about.

Unless it turns out to be something completely screwy. Like the whole citadel beaming Shep to the conduit on Ilos thing I was throwing out earlier. Wakes up in prothean rubble, but the planet is kinda jungle-ish. Thats really far-fetched but just trying to put out every possibility.

[Little Lummo]

mayrabgood wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

I got the "perfect ending" at 5000+ EMs and 60 something % readiness and Kaidan and Garrus weren't shown at all after waking up from the blast. I took them with me everywhere so all the time on the citadel I kept wondering were they were, if they had survived. 

I had 5000+ EMS and 91% readiness i think, and there were no dead teammates for me either, in fact Kaidan and James(last two teammates) stepped out the Normandy at the end, which bugged me. Like how the hell did they get on there instead of joining me on the Citadel.

[Sl4sh3r]

Biowars in game explaination of Indoctrination:

Bioware...


Reaper indoctrination is an insidious means of corrupting organic minds, "reprogramming" the brain through physical and psychological conditioning using electromagnetic fields, infrasonic and ultrasonic noise, and other subliminal methods. The Reaper's resulting control over the limbic system leaves the victim highly susceptible to its suggestions.

Organics underogoing indoctrination may complain of headaches and buzzing or ringing in their ears. As time passes, they have feelings of "being watched" and hallucinations of "ghostly" presences. Ultimately, the Reaper gains the ability to use the victim's body to amplify its signals, manifesting as "alien" voices in the mind.

Indoctrination can create perfect deep cover agents. A Reaper's "suggestions" can manipulate victims into betraying friends, trusting enemies, or viewing the Reaper itself with superstitious awe. Should a Reaper subvert a well-placed political or military leader, the resulting chaos can bring down nations.

Long-term physical effects of the manipulation are unsustainable. Higher mental functionaing decays, ultimately leaving the victim a gibbering animal. Rapid indoctrination is possible, but causes this decay in days or weeks. Slow, patient indoctrination allows the thrall to last for months or years.

Source:

Just wanted to post this for everyone that was asking about the true meaning of Indoctrination.

Modifié par Sl4sh3r, 13 mars 2012 - 08:34 .