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[Outlaw704]

De1ta G wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Honestly this theory is probably 99.9% wrong, and more likely this happened.

The script was leaked, thus forcing BW to change the ending into the one we have now. Because of their commitment to release on time they threw together these nonsensical endings in the hopes that we the players would be stupid enough to fall for their "Well it's all just interpretive" convoluted endings.

Sorry guys, but the sad truth is that this is probably just a lot of wishful thinking and trying to escape from the terrible endings we got.

Agreed. The 4chan guy's Rescue DLC will either happen or it won't but the indoctrination theory is not going to wind up true in the end.

So you believe some random idiot on 4chan but not all this evidence we've found supporting the indoc theory...

He has to be trolling lol.. and it was easy to predict the shadow broker DLC before it was announced because there were files such as unused dialogue in the base game to show that there would be a mission to get the shadow broker

[claym.masseffectfan]

This would make sense,but if this is how they are going to end mass effect with these 3 endings and not come up with other endings plus this conclusion,then i lost all faith in bioware.

[BlackDragonBane]

I seem to missed alot on the trip home.

[wryan2011]

 With this forum moving so fast it's hard to tell if this has been said before, but I noticed that when the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson on the citadel(the first time, not the shot that kills him instantely) Shepherd shoots Anderson in the lower right abdomen.  Then just after Anderson dies(if you get the 'I'm proud of you' talk) Shepherd is holding his right abdomen which is bleeding badly.(no evidence as to why that specific spot)  

What I'm getting at is the symbolism of Shepherd shooting 'himself', or part of himself is pretty strong.  This ties in with the theory that Anderson is Shepherd's human side and the Ilussive Man represents his cybernetic side.  

[draken-heart]

perhaps everything we are seeing in the endings and all, is actually Bioware big wigs (if they still have any that aren't working under the EA banner) trying to get back at EA for forcing them to rush DA2, ruining one of the greatest franchises they made.

[njfluffy19]

danvla wrote...

njfluffy19 wrote...

Noob451 wrote...

ah, okay... that's interesting, considering that hamster is always scared of you.

Now this is getting... silly...

Though I did have to put some effort into catching Boo.

That was a joke. It is always scared because it is in its instincts: it is scared of larger animal. No indoctrination here, just distilled silliness.

I just wanted to name-drop from BG. 

[Rip504]

Your happy ending is seeing the N7 armor and pretending...

Hence the 4k-5k needed to see the scene.
If it was default in all destroy Shepards maybe,but it is not,So no hallucination

[balance5050]

-Draikin- wrote...

holyshock18 wrote...

-Draikin- wrote...

I'm surprised at how many people are clinging to this theory for hope that the endings weren't the real deal. Can I just ask this to the people who believe this theory: am I correct when I say you believe that in a week or so Bioware is actually going to come out and say "hey guys, it was all just a dream, here's the real ending for free"?

Nah i am expecting them to come with some kinda answer.

Sure, but what answer are you joping for? I think the only thing this thread is doing is sending the entire community on a wild-goose chase. People here are trying to pick the ending apart completely but fail to see the bigger picture.

The bigger picture is what we see, we didn't  just "pick the ending apart completely" we did this to the whole ME series. Last night we saw the pics of that little demon child at the beginning JUST STANDING THERE while his planet was being blown up, then he runs inside the building that GETS BLOWN UP, then hes in the vent that Anderson just passed by?

It makes more sense than you do bro...

Modifié par balance5050, 13 mars 2012 - 08:36 .

[TomY90]

wryan2011 wrote...

 With this forum moving so fast it's hard to tell if this has been said before, but I noticed that when the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson on the citadel(the first time, not the shot that kills him instantely) Shepherd shoots Anderson in the lower right abdomen.  Then just after Anderson dies(if you get the 'I'm proud of you' talk) Shepherd is holding his right abdomen which is bleeding badly.(no evidence as to why that specific spot)  

What I'm getting at is the symbolism of Shepherd shooting 'himself', or part of himself is pretty strong.  This ties in with the theory that Anderson is Shepherd's human side and the Ilussive Man represents his cybernetic side.  

a turian husk shot him there when you were walking to the beam. that is why he was bleeding there

[panamakira]

mayrabgood wrote...

panamakira wrote...

Did the "perfect ending" had your teammates dead in front of you when you wake up from the blast?

I has 4700+ EMS and 71% readiness....and I saw the bodies of Kaidan and Garrus before me. Anyone know?

I got the "perfect ending" at 5000+ EMs and 60 something % readiness and Kaidan and Garrus weren't shown at all after waking up from the blast. I took them with me everywhere so all the time on the citadel I kept wondering were they were, if they had survived. 

Yeah but let's say since you got the best ending "maybe" both of them being on the Normandy might make sense because they lived in your ending....but it mine I'm pretty damn sure those two were dead. There was a pool of blood under Kaidan and bruises yet they teletransport to the Normandy and come out to the jungle like they just had breakfast.

[seitani]

any news from bw

[JeffZero]

Outlaw704 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

@hex


You've also missed all my posts where I've pointed out the lack of logic there but mentioned that in the past his post revealing LoTSB got a few details off as well and also that technically most absurdities are now possible after the space magic of Synthesis. If I may be so bold for one sentence here you have also missed the many positive, constructive posts I have made on BSN for over a year now in which I have clearly proven I don't make it a habit to jump in blindly.

The space magic makes sense because it was all an indoctrinated induced hallucination, care to explain the logic fallacies you find?  Ironically the ending makes way more sense if its figurtive like this thread suggests then if its suppose to be taken literal.

Oh, it's a well-chiseled theory apart from the Prothean VI on Thessia detecting only Leng's indoctrination.

Resources though. Freaking resources. Time. Money. Forbes coverage. Amazon review damage-dealing. All the damage control. But mostly just time and money. If the intent is to make another ending as DLC it will fail quality-wise or be much steeper to create than DLC budget allows.

If the intent is instead to leave the ME universe in such a fashion then they've done something profoundly stupid. Worse than the endings at face value, there truly is no closure whatsoever. Not even the scraps the endings provide. Nothing.

[De1ta G]

wryan2011 wrote...

 With this forum moving so fast it's hard to tell if this has been said before, but I noticed that when the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson on the citadel(the first time, not the shot that kills him instantely) Shepherd shoots Anderson in the lower right abdomen.  Then just after Anderson dies(if you get the 'I'm proud of you' talk) Shepherd is holding his right abdomen which is bleeding badly.(no evidence as to why that specific spot)  

What I'm getting at is the symbolism of Shepherd shooting 'himself', or part of himself is pretty strong.  This ties in with the theory that Anderson is Shepherd's human side and the Ilussive Man represents his cybernetic side.  

Now that I think about it, I think your right. Shepard wasn't bleeding there before he shot Anderson. Nice observation.

[Sl4sh3r]

Rip504 wrote...

Your happy ending is seeing the N7 armor and pretending...

Hence the 4k-5k needed to see the scene.
If it was default in all destroy Shepards maybe,but it is not,So no hallucination

How about reading the OP.

You're point has been taken into account and crushed into smithereens.

[Gothic Alice]

I dunno if this was brought up at all, but I just recently watched the worst most possible ending. In that ending there was only one choice, destroy. If it was an indoctrination attempt, why is there no control or destroy option?

[seitani]

De1ta G wrote...

wryan2011 wrote...

 With this forum moving so fast it's hard to tell if this has been said before, but I noticed that when the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson on the citadel(the first time, not the shot that kills him instantely) Shepherd shoots Anderson in the lower right abdomen.  Then just after Anderson dies(if you get the 'I'm proud of you' talk) Shepherd is holding his right abdomen which is bleeding badly.(no evidence as to why that specific spot)  

What I'm getting at is the symbolism of Shepherd shooting 'himself', or part of himself is pretty strong.  This ties in with the theory that Anderson is Shepherd's human side and the Ilussive Man represents his cybernetic side.  

Now that I think about it, I think your right. Shepard wasn't bleeding there before he shot Anderson. Nice observation.

shepard was shot  just before he entered in the beam

[v0rt3x22]

Gothic Alice wrote...

I dunno if this was brought up at all, but I just recently watched the worst most possible ending. In that ending there was only one choice, destroy. If it was an indoctrination attempt, why is there no control or destroy option?

Can you elaborate - how did you get this ending?

[wryan2011]

De1ta G wrote...

wryan2011 wrote...

 With this forum moving so fast it's hard to tell if this has been said before, but I noticed that when the Illusive Man makes you shoot Anderson on the citadel(the first time, not the shot that kills him instantely) Shepherd shoots Anderson in the lower right abdomen.  Then just after Anderson dies(if you get the 'I'm proud of you' talk) Shepherd is holding his right abdomen which is bleeding badly.(no evidence as to why that specific spot)  

What I'm getting at is the symbolism of Shepherd shooting 'himself', or part of himself is pretty strong.  This ties in with the theory that Anderson is Shepherd's human side and the Ilussive Man represents his cybernetic side.  

Now that I think about it, I think your right. Shepard wasn't bleeding there before he shot Anderson. Nice observation.

Thanks.  I replayed the endgame after reading something like 40 pages on this thread haha

[Tygur]

Gothic Alice wrote...

I dunno if this was brought up at all, but I just recently watched the worst most possible ending. In that ending there was only one choice, destroy. If it was an indoctrination attempt, why is there no control or destroy option?

Covered earlier, something along the lines of no indoctrination needed since he didn't have the forces to win anyway, the reapers weren't worried.

[Noob451]

Gothic Alice wrote...

I dunno if this was brought up at all, but I just recently watched the worst most possible ending. In that ending there was only one choice, destroy. If it was an indoctrination attempt, why is there no control or destroy option?

already been talked about, supposedly, if your EMS is so low taht that is your only option, what's the point in trying to convince shepard to do anything?  he's going to fail anyway.

higher EMS= more choices, because harbinger is getting desperate.


something like that anyway

[hex23]

Rip504 wrote...

Your happy ending is seeing the N7 armor and pretending...

Hence the 4k-5k needed to see the scene.
If it was default in all destroy Shepards maybe,but it is not,So no hallucination

If you don't have higher EMS you die regardless. The only way to see Shep alive at the end is:

1. Choose "Destroy", which we're suggesting is resisting Reaper indoctrination.

2. Have high enough EMS to actually survive the war on Earth, which is where your body still is.

This also explains why "Destroy" is the only option if you have low EMS. With no chance of survival Reapers have no reason to indoctrinate you.

[Dwailing]

 Ok, I have not managed to finish the game yet, but I have watched all the endings, and I think, or at least hope, that that makes me qualified to comment.

I was originally thinking about Anderson, and I wondered if he represented part of Shepard's mind in this context.  Think, for a moment, about what Anderson means to Shepard.  He was there through all three games, he was the man who originally brought Shepard abord the Normandy, and, perhaps most importantly, he was the only one who believed Shepard from the beginning.  His faith in Shepard never wavered.  So, maybe Anderson sort of plays the Horatio to Shepard's Hamlet, the only thing that keeps him anchored to sanitiy.  When Anderson dies in the "hallucination" (I only put it in quotes because Bioware has not said yea or nea to the idea) Shepard then goes to the Crucible.  At that point, it is likely that Shepard is at his weakest moment mentally.  Therefore, the Reapers now have their chance to try and take over.  Now, the destroy ending is the ending indicated by Anderson's image, right?  So, maybe that is Shepard's mind's way of saying, "This is what you should do".  Also, as pointed out by others, this is the ending indicated by the "kid" as having the worst consequences; Geth destroyed, EDI dead, Shepard possibly dead as well.  It would seem likely that the "kid" is trying to get Shepard not to take this option because the part of Shep's mind represented by Anderson, possibly the only person who has never faltered in his belief in Shepard and who Shepard has never faltered in his belief in, is telling him this is the right move.  Sorry if this got a little long winded, but I figured it was worth pointing out.  Any thoughts fellow BSN members? 

[BeardedPuma]

BrotherWarth wrote...

Revan87 wrote...

BrotherWarth wrote...

I don't think there's some devious plan to sell a "true" ending as DLC or that the end is a dream. I think it's just lousy writing. I think they had no idea how the series was going to end until it was time to write ME3 and this is what they came up with.

You don't start to write a series if you don't know how to end it!

It happens all the time. Ever watch Lost? They had a 7-season build up to a nonsensical ending that was even worse than ME3's.

If ME3's ending doesn't end up being indoctrination theory and we have to take it as is.
Then I think it is a much worse ending than Lost's miserable one.