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[Golferguy758]

Little Lummo wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

I just replayed the ending with 99% Galactic Readiness compared to my previous finish (Picking Synthesis) with 100%. I choose Destroy and EDI did NOT exit the Normandy after the crash as some have stipulated she does. Discuss?

I chose destroy too and i did not see EDI... Surely she would destroyed too?(unfortunately) 

Because you think she was destroyed because that's what harbinger made you think. if you were told that pressing this button will cause a you to get a new car and house at the expense of a tree falling on your neighbours house.

You press the button and your car and hosue show up, aren't you expectign the tree to fall any moment?

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Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

Thats what this theory is all about. You havent destroyed the repaers "yet". Its all an indoctrination attempt, your still in london after the lazors. Everything after getting hit by that is in your mind.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

If so then I partially retract this one. Still seems silly to flavor even post-credits with a very particular element though.

I have to agree about stargazer...it is the one thing that makes me a little less hopeful that Bioware didn't just screw this series over. Everything else people have been uncovering is great, I think.

Stargazer really has a sort of schlocky ending vibe to it (even though I admire the narrator, of course).

I still have to hold out hope though.

I don't really think Stargazer needs an explanation. It's very far in the future, so by that time, Shepard has supposedly woken up from that pile on Earth and became the legend he was born to become.

[JeffZero]

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."

The people bashing my posts are starting to sound as ignorant about it as PennyArcade. It comes down to resources, not BioWare's ability to write something.

Forget this, enjoy your degree of certainty about everything. If you end up right I'm happy, depending on what more BioWare does from there. If you end up wrong I'm merely unsurprised, whereas the more certain you are right now, the more crushed you are later. So get used to that depression if it turns around and bites you yet again.

I feel for you all if so.

[savionen]

JeffZero wrote...

savionen wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Here's another one: why does Shepard still bother dreaming up the Normandy crash after resisting indoctrination and choosing Destroy?

Also, why is that Stargazer scene always there?

Why does the congratulatory message (truly the closest thing to Word of God in the game) tell you the Reapers were defeated regardless of your choice?

Well, for point one, it is still possible that Shepard was still at least a little caught up in the hallucination/indoctrination and his mind was trying to find a way for them to survive.

For point two, it would make sense that after the war there would be a grandfather and his grandkid talking about the way things were, and that it is possible that the old man is mearly talking about what will happen to this kid when he grows up and can travel into space.

Last point, well, I'll leave that one up to others who have wittnessed the ending first hand.

But if the Stargazer scene always happens, the Reapers somehow always failed at annihilating everyone. Even when Shepard 'fails to resist indoctrination'. Or are post-credits scenes now part of his hopes as well? Well then why does this play even after Shepard wakes up?

Doesn't it show Shepard waking up AFTER Stargazer?

If so then I partially retract this one. Still seems silly to flavor even post-credits with a very particular element though.

Either way it's not entirely relevant, if it's before or after.

I don't think DA2 was a bad game, so I still had a bit of faith in Bioware. And SWTOR was a great game up until level 50.

A lot of things support the indoctrination theory, and some stuff doesn't. A lot of elements seem really awkward and random if the indoctrination theory isn't true.

-Nobody sees the child in the beginning of the game but Shepard.
-When the kid gets on the ship, nobody even notices him, pays attention to him, or helps him. They escort two random people, but not the kid?
-The kid then suddenly disappears and Anderson somehow never saw him.
-The kid moves from building to building faster than would ever be possible.
-When Shepard looks over at Anderson there's a growling noise coming from the vents.
-The kid says "You can't help me."

It's possible that the power was out or something like that, preventing it from being dangerous and the kid is just a fast runner, but there's a lot of elements like that.

So yeah, either supreme oversight and randomness on Bioware's account, or there's something to this whole idea. The first 95% of the game was great, and only the last 10-20 minutes seem off, and really, EVERYTHING about it seems off compared to the rest of 90 hours in the 3 games.

Modifié par savionen, 13 mars 2012 - 09:19 .

[Dap Brannigan]

snackynak wrote...
2. Kid in the vent during the intro: Ties into ME2/disabled reaper mission, where one of the scientist claims to have seen something in a vent(if I remember right).

Hah you're right, I totally forgot about this.

[Wanny1]

bilwit wrote...

assuming this is all true its still a terrible ending :/

Not for me anymore because it's quite obvious that indoctrination is a main theme of the game and i kinda didn't notice it... Hell I'm currently replaying ME3 and I have already seen 3-4 indoctrination mentions so far.

[Little Lummo]

WE_Belisarius wrote...

Twitter update:
@masseffect can I just please have half turian half human babies on a tropical island with Garrus? I need ending variance!
@ddepaiva That would be living the dream...

I want to believe...

Well maybe it is just a dream... 

[DvkZ2]

Hey Locos, I don't know about the end... but the journey... it truly was worth taking. Thanks a lot
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@juliojimenezs Thank you for playing! We hope you stay with us, more things are on the horizon..!

This just in too... they could be talking about those multiplayer DLCs, or maybe something morebelow their sleeve... idk.

[Outlaw704]

Terraforming2154 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

If so then I partially retract this one. Still seems silly to flavor even post-credits with a very particular element though.

I have to agree about stargazer...it is the one thing that makes me a little less hopeful that Bioware didn't just screw this series over. Everything else people have been uncovering is great, I think.

Stargazer really has a sort of schlocky ending vibe to it (even though I admire the narrator, of course).

I still have to hold out hope though.

The stargazer says there is one more story to tell...

[Descedent]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Modifié par Descedent, 13 mars 2012 - 09:18 .

[CreepingGeth]

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

Good lord, read.

[De1ta G]

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

The destroy ending breaks you free from indoctrination. Shepard wakes up. War still going on. You continue on to stop the Reapers. If you chose the other two options then that's the end.

[Rifneno]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I wonder that if this is fact

Will the people who are outright dismissing this theory as bull still play the actual ending?

Of course they will.

The best part is, they'll tell themselves they were really right all along and BW only released the real ending to pander to fans (and greed if it isn't free).  The great majority of them will NEVER accept the possibility that they were just plain wrong.

[hex23]

JeffZero wrote...

The thrust of my posting has nothing to do with believing BioWare's quality has anything to do with it. And yes, I've spent quite a bit of time analyzing the games' themes. I'm still more inclined to believe the writers simply dropped the ball on this ending until I hear otherwise directly from them.

And confirming this theory but saying that's a wrap for ME3 will only make things worse than the contrived nature of the endings as-is. Using DLC to expand it doesn't make any sense to me because if you didn't choose Destroy how the red hell do you play it?

And are they seriously going to spend the dough to get Sheen back for a DLC because 'jk he isn't dead'?

"Get him back"? If this was planned....and it would obviously have to be well in advance....they would already have all the voice acting recorded.

And if you didn't choose Destroy (and have decent EMS) you play the DLC the exact same way people played "ME3" that killed Shepard in "ME2"....with the default Shepard.

[VEKTR]

This has to be it...

[JeffZero]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Terraforming2154 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

If so then I partially retract this one. Still seems silly to flavor even post-credits with a very particular element though.

I have to agree about stargazer...it is the one thing that makes me a little less hopeful that Bioware didn't just screw this series over. Everything else people have been uncovering is great, I think.

Stargazer really has a sort of schlocky ending vibe to it (even though I admire the narrator, of course).

I still have to hold out hope though.

I don't really think Stargazer needs an explanation. It's very far in the future, so by that time, Shepard has supposedly woken up from that pile on Earth and became the legend he was born to become.

Yeah, but it happens if you chose the 'oh noes you've been indoctrinated' choices as well. So... What? Did the Reapers miss a spot?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Dap Brannigan wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

Seriously if the indoctrination theory is not true to some extent I really can't think of other reasons why the star child says "wake up" instead of "why are you here" if you have different EMS, "wake up" can apply to both cases, why change it if it's not of some significance?

Also, when the child tells him to "wake up", Shepard is on his hands and knees and moving -- not unconscious.  There's no reason for the child to tell him to "wake up".

I didn't think that madee much sense either.
But I guess it's like when you're sitting in bed in the morning, barely awake. Some people still feel the need to say wake up. Idk.

[Rip504]

LoL. You do not need 5000k to win the battle. No. You need 5k to see your N7 armor. Your attack is a joke. Based on a random theory lol

[Tallis Lucienis]

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

[Reptilian Rob]

Elendstourist wrote...

luukee wrote...

DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I love the series… but without promise of a better ending, I might as well smash my Xbox. Oh the months wasted..
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

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@bryceshirley Well, we would recommend not doing that, but that's just us.

This just in from their twitter. o,0

They could be meaning "don't smash your xbox" in a jokey way, but hopefully I'm being too literal about this. But the @masseffect twitter is just as cryptic and annoying as the endings.

Not to forget the "hardest.day.ever" post on twitter, that recommended us to "hold onto our copy of ME3 forever".

That's just them not wanting you to trade it in...

[FFZero]

This just occurred to me, in the mission to save Eve/Bakara on Sur’kesh Mordin believes someone in STG may be indoctrinated since cerberus arrived so quickly. I can’t remember if we found out who it was that leaked the information but what if it was Shep? Correct me if I’m wrong but I think I remember reading in the codex that people who are indoctrinated can be unaware of their actions.

[Terraforming2154]

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

I haven't played Javik all the way through, but I thought I heard that he had to kill some of his comrades because they were essentially sleeper agents and turned on him. He didn't sense them until it was too late, right?

Also, maybe the VI is only able to acknowledge defintive indoctrination - what if Shep is in an early stage of it?

[Spartas Husky]

I gota add my 2 cents.

The fact that none of your choices seemed to matter at the end were a complete afront, a slap in the face to everything we had hoped for.

For those with paragon track record since me1. We Cured the genophage, we brought turians and krogans together, we saved wrex. They learned from the overppopulation mistake.

the Catalyst explains synthethics and organics cannot coexist. Yet hours before didn't O just end a 300 year old war?. What was the point of bringing the entire civilization to bear on the reapers. What was the point of my 47 hours and 13 minutes of play for?

I do not deny, the entire 47 hours and 10 minutes were amazing. packed with excitement and heart breaking moments. What was the Romances for? why did I even recruit Aria in the first place. Terminus fleets are never seen, we never even take back omega.

The ending is so bad... is not maddening. Is not anger I feel but complete disbelief as if this whole thing was but a joke and the true ending is in there somewhere. This ending feels literally like the Sopranos but 10 times worse. Leaving a void, an empty sensation to everything that was done so far in the series.

The feeling of accomplishment, or as Garrus put "it all comes full circle" isn't there. The feeling of success and relief that peace was established because of all your hard work, and that you can look at your friends with a smile knowing they made it out... Where is that? What was the point of:?
-Brokering Peace across different species, quarian geth turian krogan.
-What was the point of bringing pirates under your banner
-What was the point of saving so many, if with the relays destroyed there would be an untold mass extinction due to a lack of food/resources and infrastructure to help all of those who survived.
-Hell... what happened to "slapping omega out of TIM greedy fingers"?

The last 3 minutes of Mass Effect 3 practically told you the last two games were a complete waste of time if nothing else. Feels like the entire series was written by the same guy except at the last 3 minutes he went for a pee break and his pre school niece wrote the last part.

A bad ending is something you get angry about and is hard to imagine a different one. A good ending is someone everyone rejoices. a Mediocre ending is something people forget. But there is a 4th that is seldom seen... and apparently Bioware for some crazy reason pulled it off here. The empty ending. No resolution, no reward, no afterthoughts ... empty. Leaving to the reader or the viewer an backward sensation that the entire time they've spent following that story was nothing but a waste of time...

However the last 3 minutes of ME3 have left a void that I dont believe Bioware can do **** about. So good luck in whatever project you take up in the future. Because I surely wont be buying any of them.

Modifié par Spartas Husky, 13 mars 2012 - 09:35 .