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[bilwit]

Golferguy758 wrote...

bilwit wrote...

assuming this is all true its still a terrible ending :/

I swear I'm going to just make a word document with all the stock responses to the same stock statements that get repeated over and over and over again.

These are not "Endings" They are part of the climax according to the theory. The ending has yet to be shown.

The last thing you do in this game is the games ending. By not giving a ending at the end of a game we are given a terrible ending to ME3 no matter what changes or what is added at any point. The game i bought is not giving an ending. It's like Bioware tore out the last ten pages of a book before giving it to me.

[IronSabbath88]

The way I see it, trying to make sense out of an ending is better than yelling and complaing about how BioWare are bad writers and their ending is garbage.

[FrostByte-GER]

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Yeah...I will see a proof too, but I have not the time to change my EMS with the coalesced.bin

Can someone with 5k+ EMS check this statement?

Modifié par FrostByte-GER, 13 mars 2012 - 09:21 .

[Descedent]

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

[ReclaimedHavoc]

JeffZero wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Terraforming2154 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

If so then I partially retract this one. Still seems silly to flavor even post-credits with a very particular element though.

I have to agree about stargazer...it is the one thing that makes me a little less hopeful that Bioware didn't just screw this series over. Everything else people have been uncovering is great, I think.

Stargazer really has a sort of schlocky ending vibe to it (even though I admire the narrator, of course).

I still have to hold out hope though.

I don't really think Stargazer needs an explanation. It's very far in the future, so by that time, Shepard has supposedly woken up from that pile on Earth and became the legend he was born to become.

Yeah, but it happens if you chose the 'oh noes you've been indoctrinated' choices as well. So... What? Did the Reapers miss a spot?

Well, he's talking about Shepard, either way. Anybody could call Shepard a legend without him fully saving earth.

[JeffZero]

Rifneno wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

I wonder that if this is fact

Will the people who are outright dismissing this theory as bull still play the actual ending?

Of course they will.

The best part is, they'll tell themselves they were really right all along and BW only released the real ending to pander to fans (and greed if it isn't free).  The great majority of them will NEVER accept the possibility that they were just plain wrong.

I sincerely hope this isn't addressing me. If people in this thread can't tell I'm cool with it happening, I just don't believe it, then they aren't paying attention.

Of COURSE I would play it.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

[Descedent]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

[IronSabbath88]

It's addressing everyone who dismisses this.

Christ, if it turns out NOT to be true, then so be it.

Better to try and make sense of something than to just dissmiss BioWare as hacks.

[Tallis Lucienis]

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

PM me with a link if you would please dear good friend.

[Ironsandshrew]

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

The Prothean VI may have detected Kai Leng as completely indoctrinated- where as shepard was fighting their attempts at control...just a thought

[Elendstourist]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

luukee wrote...

DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I love the series… but without promise of a better ending, I might as well smash my Xbox. Oh the months wasted..
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

Close

@bryceshirley Well, we would recommend not doing that, but that's just us.

This just in from their twitter. o,0

They could be meaning "don't smash your xbox" in a jokey way, but hopefully I'm being too literal about this. But the @masseffect twitter is just as cryptic and annoying as the endings.

Not to forget the "hardest.day.ever" post on twitter, that recommended us to "hold onto our copy of ME3 forever".

That's just them not wanting you to trade it in...

As far as I remember, the post also said something like there is more to come. And he posted that in the context of players ranting about the ending.

The original post in fact was:

"Hardest. Day. Ever. Seriously, if you people knew all the stuff we are
planning...you'd, we'll - hold onto your copy of me3 forever."

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

[Reptilian Rob]

Spartas Husky wrote...

I gota add my 2 cents.

The fact that none of your choices seemed to matter at the end were a complete afront, a slap in the face to everything we had hoped for.

For those with paragon track record since me1. We Cured the genophage, we brought turians and krogans together, we saved wrex. They learned from the overppopulation mistake.

the Catalyst explains synthethics and organics cannot coexist. Yet hours before didn't O just end a 300 year old war?. What was the point of bringing the entire civilization to bear on the reapers. What was the point of my 47 hours and 13 minutes of play for?

I do not deny, the entire 47 hours and 10 minutes were amazing. packed with excitement and heart breaking moments. What was the Romances for? why did I even recruit Aria in the first place. Terminus fleets are never seen, we never even take back omega.

The ending is so bad... is not maddening. Is not anger I feel but complete disbelief as if this whole thing was but a joke and the true ending is in there somewhere. This ending feels literally like the Sopranos but 10 times worse. Leaving a void, an empty sensation to everything that was done so far in the series.

The feeling of accomplishment, or as Garrus put "it all comes full circle" isn't there. The feeling of success and relief that peace was established because of all your hard work, and that you can look at your friends with a smile knowing they made it out... Where is that? What was the point?

The last 3 minutes of Mass Effect 3 practically told you the last two games were a complete waste of time if nothing else. Feels like the entire series was written by the same guy except at the last 3 minutes he went for a pee break and his pre school niece wrote the last part.

A bad ending is something you get angry about and is hard to imagine a different one. A good ending is someone everyone rejoices. a Mediocre ending is something people forget. But there is a 4th that is seldom seen... and apparently Bioware for some crazy reason pulled it off here. The empty ending. No resolution, no reward, no afterthoughts ... empty. Leaving to the reader or the viewer an backward sensation that the entire time they've spent following that story was nothing but a waste of time...

However the last 3 minutes of ME3 have left a void that I dont believe Bioware can do **** about. So good luck in whatever project you take up in the future. Because I surely wont be buying any of them.

100% agree.

Deal with the endings you have because nothing is changing. 

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 13 mars 2012 - 09:23 .

[Ecmoose]

JeffZero wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."

The people bashing my posts are starting to sound as ignorant about it as PennyArcade. It comes down to resources, not BioWare's ability to write something.

Forget this, enjoy your degree of certainty about everything. If you end up right I'm happy, depending on what more BioWare does from there. If you end up wrong I'm merely unsurprised, whereas the more certain you are right now, the more crushed you are later. So get used to that depression if it turns around and bites you yet again.

I feel for you all if so.

1) This was not directed at you or anyone who has actual constructive criticism for this theory. It was directed at the people who walk into the thread, have not read a damn thing, and choose to hate for whatever reason first comes to their head.

2) I'm personally fine with the endings as they are. I'm not a part of the re-take Mass Effect campaign. I'm here on tis thread because I enjoy theory crafting. People willing to come here and punch holes in the theory, inspiring us to come up with more evidence are more then welcome. I just can't stand people who step into an argument with no basis one way or the other.

[NotCras]

This is another thought of mine about the ending, I think its a Bioware conspiracy against us.
http://toomuchbrainf...e3-thought.html

[savionen]

Entreri10 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

The Prothean VI may have detected Kai Leng as completely indoctrinated- where as shepard was fighting their attempts at control...just a thought

It was mentioned earlier, but VI can't easily detect indoctrination until in the very late stages. If Shepard isn't over the edge until the end of the game it's possible that it wasn't detected. In either case it seems a little akward, though.

[Tallis Lucienis]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

I just replayed it with 99% Galactic Readiness and over 7000 War assests. She did not walk off.

[holyshock18]

I know this dont say anything about the indoctriantion theory. (WITCH I BELIEVE)

But if i dont get any answer from bioware or untill i get a answer. Then i am half going with the idea. That no matter what ending we take Shepard dies. When he pick one of those 3 choises. And the things we see after he chooses. Is simply shepard hoping this is how it ends. I know we see he take a breath. But that can be the final breath. Atleast its abit like closure for me.

And what really happends is

Control: Reapers Win

Synthetic: Reapers Win

Destroy: We will if we have high enough EMS Else we still loose

THO I STILL HOPE THAT THE INDOCTRINATION THEORY WILL COME THRUE!

Modifié par holyshock18, 13 mars 2012 - 09:24 .

[oyukichan]

BeardedPuma wrote...

Dessalines wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...
Seriously if the indoctrination theory is not true to some extent I really can't think of other reasons why the star child says "wake up" instead of "why are you here" if you have different EMS, "wake up" can apply to both cases, why change it if it's not of some significance?

Exactly, he is either acting like you are friends or he is a jerk. There are bunch of different dialogue changes. It is not base on your EMS. It is base on your paragon/renegade or something else. I am not sure. I have over 4,000 but not 5,000, an he said wake up.

Did you save Anderson? and have the "I'm proud of you" conversation. 

If so, then 4000+ EMS is all that is needed to have the "perfect ending" where Shepard lives.

In that case the "Wake Up" line makes sense, since you have a chance to live. (If you have over 5000+ EMS, then even is Anderson dies, it doesn't matter, you can still live after the destroy option.)

You get the "I'm proud of you" conversation even without "saving" Anderson. Anderson still dies. The difference is that you shoot TIM right away, instead of letting him make you shoot Anderson.

[Descedent]

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

I just replayed it with 99% Galactic Readiness and over 7000 War assests. She did not walk off.

cant find link but theres a video of akamikeb from gamebreaker.tv talking about it at one point.

[Falar]

Entreri10 wrote...

Rip504 wrote...

lol Also if you wake up from this so called Indoctrination. The Indoctrination that has been occuring since the opening scene with the child/(The child who is the image of Humanity and the cost of the war) Why doesn't the Prothean VI sense some level of Indoctrination? Both Prothean VI's can detect it. Shouldn't javik be able to sense it?

But anyway back to what I am saying. If you pick destroy and wake up,How are the Reapers killed and defeated if you never left Earth to begin with? The crucible was never docked or turned on,as Shepard is the one who hits the switch...

The fight is still ongoing,and you picked the right ending or are you reaching for meaning in a meaningless ending?

The Prothean VI may have detected Kai Leng as completely indoctrinated- where as shepard was fighting their attempts at control...just a thought

And has been mentioned before, in ME1, Vigil (the other Prothean VI) says they didn't fully understand indoctrination, so it's possible that the VI at the Beacon wouldn't understand/recognize Shep's style of indoctrination.

[FrostByte-GER]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

Me too. Only Joker, Liara(LI) and Ashley(I dont remember^^) walked out of the normandy...
With an 3000+ EMS

[BlackDragonBane]

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I gota add my 2 cents.

The fact that none of your choices seemed to matter at the end were a complete afront, a slap in the face to everything we had hoped for.

For those with paragon track record since me1. We Cured the genophage, we brought turians and krogans together, we saved wrex. They learned from the overppopulation mistake.

the Catalyst explains synthethics and organics cannot coexist. Yet hours before didn't O just end a 300 year old war?. What was the point of bringing the entire civilization to bear on the reapers. What was the point of my 47 hours and 13 minutes of play for?

I do not deny, the entire 47 hours and 10 minutes were amazing. packed with excitement and heart breaking moments. What was the Romances for? why did I even recruit Aria in the first place. Terminus fleets are never seen, we never even take back omega.

The ending is so bad... is not maddening. Is not anger I feel but complete disbelief as if this whole thing was but a joke and the true ending is in there somewhere. This ending feels literally like the Sopranos but 10 times worse. Leaving a void, an empty sensation to everything that was done so far in the series.

The feeling of accomplishment, or as Garrus put "it all comes full circle" isn't there. The feeling of success and relief that peace was established because of all your hard work, and that you can look at your friends with a smile knowing they made it out... Where is that? What was the point?

The last 3 minutes of Mass Effect 3 practically told you the last two games were a complete waste of time if nothing else. Feels like the entire series was written by the same guy except at the last 3 minutes he went for a pee break and his pre school niece wrote the last part.

A bad ending is something you get angry about and is hard to imagine a different one. A good ending is someone everyone rejoices. a Mediocre ending is something people forget. But there is a 4th that is seldom seen... and apparently Bioware for some crazy reason pulled it off here. The empty ending. No resolution, no reward, no afterthoughts ... empty. Leaving to the reader or the viewer an backward sensation that the entire time they've spent following that story was nothing but a waste of time...

However the last 3 minutes of ME3 have left a void that I dont believe Bioware can do **** about. So good luck in whatever project you take up in the future. Because I surely wont be buying any of them.

100% agree.

Deal with the endings you have because nothing is changing. 

Congrats, Harbinger has successfully indoctrinated you into believing you wasted 300+ of game time and about $200 on games and DLC.

[MammaenDin]

Ona Demonie wrote...
9) Anderson notes that the walls are moving. Recall back to the Derelict Reaper in ME2. If you listened to the logs, the scientists noted that they had shared memories, the walls moved, things appeared, etc. It can also be noted that Anderson says "it's dark like the Collector base".
If I missed anything, let me know.

Does Anderson say that regardless of the Collectors base being destroyed in ME2? Because if so, he never was there. Doubt he was there even if the base was not destroyed...