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[kent80082006]

[Important Question]

I know it's possible to have a destroy only outcome.
But is it possible to have a control only outcome? That will contradict with the theory...

[JeffZero]

i rescind: one last post.

@Golferguy

Yeah, it does. Still seems... Odd though.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

BlackDragonBane wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

Spartas Husky wrote...

I gota add my 2 cents.

The fact that none of your choices seemed to matter at the end were a complete afront, a slap in the face to everything we had hoped for.

For those with paragon track record since me1. We Cured the genophage, we brought turians and krogans together, we saved wrex. They learned from the overppopulation mistake.

the Catalyst explains synthethics and organics cannot coexist. Yet hours before didn't O just end a 300 year old war?. What was the point of bringing the entire civilization to bear on the reapers. What was the point of my 47 hours and 13 minutes of play for?

I do not deny, the entire 47 hours and 10 minutes were amazing. packed with excitement and heart breaking moments. What was the Romances for? why did I even recruit Aria in the first place. Terminus fleets are never seen, we never even take back omega.

The ending is so bad... is not maddening. Is not anger I feel but complete disbelief as if this whole thing was but a joke and the true ending is in there somewhere. This ending feels literally like the Sopranos but 10 times worse. Leaving a void, an empty sensation to everything that was done so far in the series.

The feeling of accomplishment, or as Garrus put "it all comes full circle" isn't there. The feeling of success and relief that peace was established because of all your hard work, and that you can look at your friends with a smile knowing they made it out... Where is that? What was the point?

The last 3 minutes of Mass Effect 3 practically told you the last two games were a complete waste of time if nothing else. Feels like the entire series was written by the same guy except at the last 3 minutes he went for a pee break and his pre school niece wrote the last part.

A bad ending is something you get angry about and is hard to imagine a different one. A good ending is someone everyone rejoices. a Mediocre ending is something people forget. But there is a 4th that is seldom seen... and apparently Bioware for some crazy reason pulled it off here. The empty ending. No resolution, no reward, no afterthoughts ... empty. Leaving to the reader or the viewer an backward sensation that the entire time they've spent following that story was nothing but a waste of time...

However the last 3 minutes of ME3 have left a void that I dont believe Bioware can do **** about. So good luck in whatever project you take up in the future. Because I surely wont be buying any of them.

100% agree.

Deal with the endings you have because nothing is changing. 

Congrats, Harbinger has successfully indoctrinated you into believing you wasted 300+ of game time and about $200 on games and DLC.

While I believe saying things like this is just...weird, I do believe they are witholding an actual ending. For what purpose? I have no idea. But there are way, way, WAYYYYY, to many flaws in those last 20 minutes for those to slip by anyone, especially in a Triple A title like ME3.

[DvkZ2]

@masseffect I enjoyed the game...right up to the ending. Did any choice I made in the series matter at all?
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@sakageshinga Yes.

I wonder if this has anything to do with the very end. If it does... well then there you go, clear as water

[SnowyKai]

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@Masseffect Why does the Catalyst say different things to you when he finds you depending on your EMS, HMMMM???

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@snowykai >.>

[Rip504]

Don't misunderstand me,I love this idea and hope Bioware(If not planned) go through with this either way.

Do I honestly think this is what happen or will change... No.

Yes I agree the ending sucked,and if they add to it. Duh I will play it,and enjoy it.

You fumble in your own...

[mariosgh]

FrostByte-GER wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

Me too. Only Joker, Liara(LI) and Ashley(I dont remember^^) walked out of the normandy...
With an 3000+ EMS

I had ~2500 EMS and EDI walked off Normandy, seriously. As Liara, which was my LI and died during final mission. I chose destroy option, so both Liara and EDI shouldn't walk off Normandy.

[Golferguy758]

bilwit wrote...

Golferguy758 wrote...

bilwit wrote...

assuming this is all true its still a terrible ending :/

I swear I'm going to just make a word document with all the stock responses to the same stock statements that get repeated over and over and over again.

These are not "Endings" They are part of the climax according to the theory. The ending has yet to be shown.

The last thing you do in this game is the games ending. By not giving a ending at the end of a game we are given a terrible ending to ME3 no matter what changes or what is added at any point. The game i bought is not giving an ending. It's like Bioware tore out the last ten pages of a book before giving it to me.

Honest question. Are you trolling me? I seriously want to know. The theory, and I'll repeat that this is a theory is that endings are just time delayed/whatever until the world experiences it. I was angry at first too over the "endings" but the more I thought about it and compared it to the rest of the story tellign of the game it would not happen. Just be patient.

Game endings are not made last. The order you play a game is not the same order as a game that is written and set up. 

[Reptilian Rob]

Dessalines wrote...

RobT2012 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."

Absolutely love this, couldnt agree more

They write good stories. It make no sense.

*MFW Dragon Age 2 and TORtanic.*

[WvStolzing]

Has this been commented on?



See the bit that starts at 7:21, until Anderson calls out to Shepard.

When I first saw this, I thought it meant that reapers' mind tricks on Shepard was going to be a significant aspect of the plot. We got nothing of the sort----but maybe this 'dazing out' in the beginning relates somehow to the 'hallucination ending theory'?

[ArkkAngel007]

JeffZero wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."

The people bashing my posts are starting to sound as ignorant about it as PennyArcade. It comes down to resources, not BioWare's ability to write something.

Forget this, enjoy your degree of certainty about everything. If you end up right I'm happy, depending on what more BioWare does from there. If you end up wrong I'm merely unsurprised, whereas the more certain you are right now, the more crushed you are later. So get used to that depression if it turns around and bites you yet again.

I feel for you all if so.

I don't think it's your posts most are bashing.  You've defended your argument very well, and granted, the crux of the whole thing is that Stargazer happens no matter what, instead of being unlocked through the right choice (Halo 3 ending after beating on Legendary is a good comparison). 

Heck, I've seen your journey from being extremely excited about the game, then being bitter when the scripts leaked, and then excited again right before release.  Seeing that rollercoaster you're put on, with what is a dissappointing conclusion to an otherwise amazing game added to it, is not something anyone can really question you on when it comes to what you understand about the game and the franchise as a whole.

I think it's some of those who are doing nothing but saying everyone is an idiot for going with this or some like Rip (sorry to call out names, but it's the way it is) who are being arrogant for the sake of doing so to inflame people here, that are generating these comments about counter-arguments coming in.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

kent80082006 wrote...

[Important Question]

I know it's possible to have a destroy only outcome.
But is it possible to have a control only outcome? That will contradict with the theory...

What do you mean Control only?

If I am understanding you right, I heard a rumor that if you save the Collector Base, and show up with a low EMS, it forces you in to Control.

[RobT2012]

kent80082006 wrote...

May I just point out something which I find perplexing

Have any of us questioned what the crucible was supposed to do before implementing the use of the citadel? The Prothean VI stated that the decision to include the catalyst (citadel) into the blueprints was made amid its designing process. The use of the catalyst must have changed the crucible's function somehow since it's not included in the very beginning.

What even bothers me more is that previous civilizations may not know about the existence of the star child, I have a strong feeling that the current three color options are not the crucible's intended function but choices devised by the star child himself....

I kind of envision the crucible working in an altogether different way. The reapers are super powerful, and have amazing stores of energy, Perhaps drawing directly on "Dark Energy" (how else could they survice hanging out for 50,000 years in dark space?). Any the crucible activation, sends its own signal cutting the reapers off from harnessing dark energy to power themselves. They still have vast stores of energy inside of course, but without being able to replace them. Their nearly inpenatrable shields, and super 1 hit weapons are too costly to use as they draw too much energy. The crucible would force the reapers to enage in a more conventional and balance fight. Shep heads over to harby, and destroys him (the reaper general) from inside out, perhaps battling the proto-reaper inside him). Anyways after this with the reapers supply of power cut off, and their oldest and most intelligent (powerful) leader destroyed, the reaper forces are left in disarray, unable to adjust and at the mercy of the larger numbers of Alliance vessels in the Sol system, they get wiped out, Thats what i want to see happen.

[luukee]

Sijba wrote...

Not sure if this has been pointed out yet.

Something I noticed in the demo that I never really paid attention to before…the first time you see the husks (when they are crawling up the wall), if you look down you can see the little boy on the balcony. The same balcony where Shepard has to melee the Husks. How did he get there? The only way is either through the door to the vent room, or the ladder by Shepard and Anderson.

His space magic powers include teleporting as well.

Did anyone else find it odd how when he said "You can't help me?" What child would say that? Seriously though, it seems so out of character for a young boy, who is trying to escape and is scared, that he doesn't seem real. I know if that was me at that age, and I'm sure I wouldn't be the only one, I'd be grabbing hold of Shepard crying and begging him to keep me safe.

[Tallis Lucienis]

mariosgh wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Descedent wrote...

Tallis Lucienis wrote...

Descedent wrote...

FrostByte-GER wrote...

WHAT THE ****?

https://twitter.com/...675931051429888

ashley darley ‏ @tashdarley
@masseffect When I chose the destroy option, the shockwave was purple/pink? Is there any reason why it could have been like that?

Mass Effect @masseffect
@tashdarley Mixed it up a bit?

pics or video or it didn't happen

Same with EDI walking off Normany. Pics or it didn't happen.

she does, videos are on youtube of it

Only if you choose synthesize.

nope. destruction too.

I've played that ending several times, she never walked off after that end.

Me too. Only Joker, Liara(LI) and Ashley(I dont remember^^) walked out of the normandy...
With an 3000+ EMS

I had ~2500 EMS and EDI walked off Normandy, seriously. As Liara, which was my LI and died during final mission. I chose destroy option, so both Liara and EDI shouldn't walk off Normandy.

I need to see this. Maybe it is linked with the lower EMS's?

[kent80082006]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

[Important Question]

I know it's possible to have a destroy only outcome.
But is it possible to have a control only outcome? That will contradict with the theory...

What do you mean Control only?

If I am understanding you right, I heard a rumor that if you save the Collector Base, and show up with a low EMS, it forces you in to Control.

yea that's exactly what I meant, if this is true the theory has a major flaw

[Aedara]

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[Dap Brannigan]

Maybe they are withholding the ending because they simply needed more time. I am okay with this.

What I would not be okay with, is them charging more money for it.

[DvkZ2]

@masseffect Mass Effect 3 was brilliant, the whole series was, but while this probably won't be answered, is that really how Shepard ends?
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@crowbarrx We can't saaaaay!

Hoo boy they're feeling pressed.

[Maike91]

Descedent wrote...

 
http://www.me3finalhours.com/

[IronSabbath88]

The thing to me that stands out most of all is how ME3 from by all accounts, everyone loved the majority of the game. That includes the writing, no? I mean it seems to me like most of the game had great stuff for even the littlest of nuances.

Then to just have the ending full of more holes than swiss cheese? It's un-natural. Sure the people determined to hate on BioWare for being horribad writers will find some way to debunk this statement but after a game of almost flawless storytelling, it ends like THAT?

[Ecmoose]

ArkkAngel007 wrote...

JeffZero wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

People hating on the Indoctrination theory sound like this:

Before they finish ME3: "I bought ME1 I loved it. I bought ME2, I loved it. They both had such an amazing story and were so much fun to play. BW really knows how to make amazing characters and tell a wonderful story."

Finish ME3, see theory: "There's NO WAY BioWare could have fooled me with an amazing plot twist, they don't write good stories."

The people bashing my posts are starting to sound as ignorant about it as PennyArcade. It comes down to resources, not BioWare's ability to write something.

Forget this, enjoy your degree of certainty about everything. If you end up right I'm happy, depending on what more BioWare does from there. If you end up wrong I'm merely unsurprised, whereas the more certain you are right now, the more crushed you are later. So get used to that depression if it turns around and bites you yet again.

I feel for you all if so.

I don't think it's your posts most are bashing.  You've defended your argument very well, and granted, the crux of the whole thing is that Stargazer happens no matter what, instead of being unlocked through the right choice (Halo 3 ending after beating on Legendary is a good comparison). 

Heck, I've seen your journey from being extremely excited about the game, then being bitter when the scripts leaked, and then excited again right before release.  Seeing that rollercoaster you're put on, with what is a dissappointing conclusion to an otherwise amazing game added to it, is not something anyone can really question you on when it comes to what you understand about the game and the franchise as a whole.

I think it's some of those who are doing nothing but saying everyone is an idiot for going with this or some like Rip (sorry to call out names, but it's the way it is) who are being arrogant for the sake of doing so to inflame people here, that are generating these comments about counter-arguments coming in.

This! I responded to you too Jeff but I think it got lost in the rapid fire movements of this thread. I said what he said but less eloquently.

[DvkZ2]

Aedara won me out .

[Ainyan42]

Ainyan42 wrote...

I don't know if this has been mentioned - I have been trying to follow this thread from the beginning, but it moves so fast a lot is lost...

In Destroy, in order to destroy the Reapers, you have to break through glass surrounding the wires.

If you get Liara to reconcile with her father on the Citadel, they talk about Benezia and how Benezia resisted the indoctrination long enough to help Shepard. Liara states that Benezia said that being indoctrinated was 'like beating her hands on glass, watching what her body was doing.'

When you choose Destroy, you have to break the glass.

I'm probably reaching. But.

Self-Bumping trying to get this seen. So many posts on actual theory getting lost in the debate over whether we're all deluded or not. I thought this thread was to gather evidence and enjoy the possible twist, but everything seems to be degrading into a 'Yes it is!' 'No it isn't!' argument.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

kent80082006 wrote...

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

kent80082006 wrote...

[Important Question]

I know it's possible to have a destroy only outcome.
But is it possible to have a control only outcome? That will contradict with the theory...

What do you mean Control only?

If I am understanding you right, I heard a rumor that if you save the Collector Base, and show up with a low EMS, it forces you in to Control.

yea that's exactly what I meant, if this is true the theory has a major flaw

How so?

I just think that your thought process is more like TIM, so it throws you down the TIM suggested path.