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[GreatBandit]

I hope.. I just hope.. oh god I hope this, or anything else is true.

[DvkZ2]

RobT2012 wrote...

DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect Are you holding something back, that could quell the large amount of frustration from the community, a tiny hint would be enough
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@jakefinn94 Mike Gamble already said on his twitter, if the fans knew what was in store, the reaction would be different.

Okay... now THIS is clear as water! (i think.. )

oh hell yes, if they are speaking the truth, then oh hell yes best indication we are not going insane here

Brace yourselves... Mike Gamble's prediction coming Dec 21 2012

[theammo]

Very rare poster on these forums, thanks for all the wonderful reading and the persistence of the OP.

I'm trying to think of what will happen next from a Bioware perspective. My theory is that there will be a DLC war continues; but not from Shepard's perspective (maybe Captain Anderson, or even Garrus as he always has your back). The war is still going on - the DLC will take the form of "we still need to get to the catalyst" with 1-2 more Reaper-defying missions.

The "real" endings will then depend on the choices made, plus how the DLC plays out. In most cases, Shepard will be dead, and the few survivors will remember him in the final days (probably the number of Normandy crew and companions dying will depend on your war assets and possibly even your final Shepard choice). In the 5000+ WA destroy ending, Shepard is discovered alive and waltzes off into the sunset with LI.

Any thoughts? No evidence for this, but would be a different twist. In addition it would allow Bioware/EA to charge for the DLC - not just endings but actual extra story.

[GBGriffin]

Mike Gamble also tweeted and then deleted an article that supported the endings.


So lol.

[snackynak]

ceruleancrescent wrote...

Outlaw704 wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Anyone else think that the whole indoctrination thing is creepy as ****? I think I'm gonna have a nightmare about it tonight. Also this makes the "ending" ****ing scary, not sure if I could play it again, constantly thinking of how this is all just a horror vision.

I've been having problems sleeping the past couple of nights lol

For the past week I've been having dreams about Mass Effect, the first few nights were random, pleasant dreams, the last few nights have taken on a more ominous, dreary feeling...

It reminds me of that episode of futurama where bender gets that upgrade and goes to the island with the primative robots.

[IronSabbath88]

The whole sequence after the beam feels a lot like a nightmare. Obviously if all this stuff was happening, Shepard would just want his crew to be safe, hence that part with the Normandy.

[manjikengo]

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*

Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.

Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.

And once again, because if they allow synthetics to reign free they
will kill ALL organic life, instead of just space faring organic life.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution or that it makes sense, would I
be here if I totally bought it?

But preserving under developed life, and wiping out all life permanently are two different things. It's kind of like the Christian belief that God punsished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit.

The reapers punish organics for making synthetic life. The difference between Reapers and God? Reapers kill Adam and Eve, and destroy the fruit as well, allowing new organic species to grow in the hopes that they won't create the death of all creation, but knowing that they probably will, so they swoop in the preserve the species that don't deserve the back lash from playing god and creating AI.

So the AI punishes organic life for creating AI? Thats seems logical.

The reapers were a sentient race of organics that turned themselves into giant synthetic crawdiddies to kill and process the collective thoughts of the races they kill and turn them into more reapers, thus preserving the sentient life they extinguished, ALL the while leaving the young races alive to flourish and become space worthy after 50k years, just to get killed.

[Lukertin]

I ****ing knew it.

[SvRec]

TIM (indoctrinated) would have chosen Control
Saren (indoctrinated) would have chosen Synthesis (Why didn't they use him?)
Anderson (not indoctrinated) would have chosen Destroy

[Earthborn_Shepard]

they just answered my tweet in the most amazing way possible.. lol..

[DvkZ2]

@masseffect I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?
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@whateverlulz The sun, it shines. http://ow.ly/9DAzx

Damn you Bioware... You're rasing my hopes up! o,o

[IronSabbath88]

SvRec wrote...

TIM (indoctrinated) would have chosen Control
Saren (indoctrinated) would have chosen Synthesis (Why didn't they use him?)
Anderson (not indoctrinated) would have chosen Destroy

The first two were too weak willed. They failed. Shepard is the ultimate being. The Reapers want HIM.

[Aedara]

trolololol

[panamakira]

Elendstourist wrote...

Aedara wrote...

https://twitter.com/...680647869243392

Wow O_O That could say a lot.

Yeah pretty much. I feel like they're trolling us big time. Even if Bioware doesn't end up releasing anything to wrap things up in the game, the more I see the endings and people's theories the more strongly I feel most of the things at the end were a hallucination or caused by Harby trying to indoctrinate Shep. 

[ReclaimedHavoc]

I think I am able to play ME3 again...
I'm going in for another run.
Thanks for the theories and group therapy

Let's hope these Tweets meen something!

[Itssakai]

Bobrzy wrote...

My post will probably be forgotten in the middle of this discussion, but if someone's looks at it:

Notice that when Shepard comes to this pipe at the end, the one he's about to shoot, he can barely stand. And then, when he shoots, the child disappears and Shepard suddenly stands straight, and easily moves forward when shooting, like he's feeling... better.

Kinda catched my attention.

I noticed that too, and I hadn't read these theorys yet. For Shep to go from limping cripple into full on rage shooting is a little odd. It could be a physical representation of him breaking free of the indoctrination, or it could simply be an adrenaline rush. 

The thing I'm still confused about though is the Joker thing. WHY is he leaving the battle mid fight to run away? There's no way he could see the big energy blob coming and be like 'Screw this, I'm outta here' in the middle of a fight. He KNEW what Shepard was doing, he KNEW the Crucible was going to be activated, thus knowing there would be some form of energy coming from it. Why does he leave the rest of the galaxies races so suddenly in the middle of a battle? Doesn't seem like Joker to me. 

[Earthborn_Shepard]

DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?
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@whateverlulz The sun, it shines. http://ow.ly/9DAzx

Damn you Bioware... You're rasing my hopes up! o,o

Yeah that was my tweet, amazing they answered it, I'm a little high right now

[Pathero]

FINALLY registered my copy. Been lurking and messaging people to post twitters (Thanks to all those who helped!) could someone who has made it to the end zoom in on the face in this scene
at 2.26

Is it just me or does that look like a human skull on a normal body?

[SWaTrus]

https://twitter.com/...686320568926209
hm.... Waiting?

[DvkZ2]

Martin Perks ‏ @RogueAngel0

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@masseffect @fstjernstrom So it matter because it changes how you leave the galaxy. You just don't get the slightest sliver of seeing it.
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@rogueangel0 The game has been out for a week. Don't you think you should hold off on giving up hope of ever seeing the ME universe again?
And yet even more solid statements from the twitter (...i think...)

[balance5050]

Ecmoose wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*

Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.

Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.

And once again, because if they allow synthetics to reign free they
will kill ALL organic life, instead of just space faring organic life.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution or that it makes sense, would I
be here if I totally bought it?

But preserving under developed life, and wiping out all life permanently are two different things. It's kind of like the Christian belief that God punsished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit.

The reapers punish organics for making synthetic life. The difference between Reapers and God? Reapers kill Adam and Eve, and destroy the fruit as well, allowing new organic species to grow in the hopes that they won't create the death of all creation, but knowing that they probably will, so they swoop in the preserve the species that don't deserve the back lash from playing god and creating AI.

So the AI punishes organic life for creating AI? Thats seems logical.

Admiral Xen and Tali's Dad is the perfect example. Quarians make Geth, get screwed over by them, lose their planet, then go to war with them again. Xen and Tali's Dad want to take control of the Geth again. If they had succeded in that it likely would have inspired Geth to destroy all organics. Including the organics that didn't do anything to attack the Geth.

So the reapers play "savior" and they allow the lesser species to continue evolving by wiping out a threat that could potentially kill all life instead. It's akin to almost every other robot story. Where Robots become self aware and kill humans to "protect them". However in this situation the Reapers are only killing some races.

They're mass murderers with morals. 

The geth were all given counsiousnees and free will by legion in my game, and they are getting along with the quarians, EDI told me she would give her life for her friends. Clearly this info is a lie, a front, to fool shep.

[Ecmoose]

Woah three pages of the same Tweet from @masseffect

[Pathero]

https://twitter.com/...688066787704832

Modifié par Pathero, 13 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[MordiMoro]

Fake or Truth?

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After checking these boards, bioware forums, the twitters of various people involved with the game, audio file rips as well as some information I've gathered from other sources, I decided to talk with someone who used to run their own review website who still has ties to some people in the video game industry. That includes Bioware (they had sent him early review copies of the first ME). Anyway that's not what's important. The point is what I'm about to say you can take with a grain of salt if you want. I'm not here for attention or because I'm a fanboy of bioware. I'm simply here to help you all make sense of this situation. It will make a lot of sense and put the little things you've all found together. The reasoning for the ending change was they needed more time to implement it (this was supposed to be the reason for the delay) but Kinect implementation and the desire by some people (perhaps EA) to have an ending where things are left to interpretation messed with this. The ending was quickly altered which is why things don't "fit" and there are plot holes. Anyway, below is how things were supposed to happen.

The original ending was SUPPOSED to be extremely varied. Everything remained the same up until the part when Harbinger shoots at you and your team. This is when information that has appeared here already comes into play. There were going to be various outcomes determining how you reached the citadel and it was HOW you got there that determined what endings would be available to you. The following were the different scenarios from worst to best (based on EMS and war assets)

A: Your whole squad gets wiped out (the two crew members you took with you, Anderson). You struggle to make it to the citadel. Right as you're about to make it to the beam, Harbinger talks to you, saying you've been defeated and he kills you. Joker tries to swoop down to save you, but he also gets shot down.

B: Most of your squad gets wiped out. Still only you are able to make it to the citadel. Once up there, you must confront the illusive man alone. Because of this, unless you have high reputation and either talk him down or renegade interrupt and shoot him, he kills you and tries to control the reapers, but fails as he discovers he was indoctrinated.

C: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together and make your way to the control panel where you confront TIM. The same thing plays out where you can talk him down. With high enough reputation, you can "save" Anderson but its not necessary for you to make it to the next part. Anderson dies after TIM is shot or kills himself like in the ending we got.

D: You and Anderson make it up to the citadel together while you're two squad maters, who clearly survive, are holding off the reapers from following you to the citadel. Everything continues the same here as "C" until after TIM is shot and killed and the final conversation that Anderson and Shepard have (which is much longer than what we got). You get the shorter convo in C.

[The following you only see with outcome "C' and "D"] Shepard looks out at the war going on and activates the crucible. Hacketts says its not working. This is when Harbinger talks to Shepard through TIM as he lies on the ground. Harbinger tries to convince you that you've fail but you can argue with him. Harbinger says that he has your crew in his cross hairs. We see the Normandy arrive (the joker dialogue that was cut) and the rest of your friends help the two squad members you brought with you face off against Harbinger and his reaper minions.
You basically have a choice. You can submit to him and he claims he will spare your squad and earth until the next cycle because he is impressed that you were able to make it this far. This is when the motive of the reapers is more clearly established. Harbinger reveals that in the previous cycle, the prothean empire became too vast and they began to control all the other races, which would have prevented all of our races from developing. However, through more discussion, Shepard can uncover their true motives. They fear that they will be rivaled by something more powerful than they are (that this cycle will create AI that can topple the reapers). This implies they are merely fearful for their own survival and that is why they purge all life but they convince themselves they are protecting us.

Either way, you can submit to him and save your people or take your chances. Having 4000 EMS, not submitting to him you would lose everyone, but still eventually get to the three choices we actually got (more on this in a second). Having 5000+ and depending on how you resolved conflicts between characters and races, certain people will live or die.

After rejecting him (whether you lose everyone or not), you end up in the area where vent boy was but hes not there. It's just you and "Harbinger". He explains that a new solution is needed. The solution he tries to convince you to take is merge (to perseve his kind). But if you have high enough reputation once again, you can open the control and destroy option. Harbinger tries to talk you out of it by discussing how your races are divided and mentioning the geth incident. You convince him otherwise, and it is at this point, the control option opens next where he admits that shepard may have a perspective he never considered. Harbinger tells Shepard that if he destroys them, the relays will be destroyed as will the geth (which is true. This is the only ending where the relays are destroyed).

Now for the four endings.

If you submit to him before the three main choices, the reapers leave earth but end up wiping out every other race who haven't proved themselves worthy. Shepard dies.

If you merge, the reapers leave and like the ending we got, we see all the characters we know with green eyes as a green light brightens the sky. Shepard dies for the same reasons in the ending we got.

The control option, the reapers leave. Everyone cautiously celebrates while joker and your LI look up to the sky and wonder what exactly happened. Life goes on but its hinted that the reaper threat may return. This ending ends on a cliffhanger.

The destroy ending does destroy the relays, but its implied that with all the races on earth, they, together, will restore what they lost and will attempt to work together. if shepard lives, your LI leading your squad, will be looking for you. You are beamed back down to earth (its assumed shepard was somehow blasted into the beam? this is the only questionable part). It ends with shepard's hand coming out of the rubble and breathing. Still a cliffhanger of sorts, but you can assume they will find him/her obviously.
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Modifié par MordiMoro, 13 mars 2012 - 10:02 .

[RobT2012]

A thought just occured to me.

If this is all a giant tease/real world indoctrination/ whatever you want to call it. Not only is it a ballsy clever thing for BioWare to do, but it indicates they think highly of the fanbase too. Sure they would know immediate reaction would be pure anger, then slowly we would start picking it apart.

Yes they played a trick here, but they expect us to be clever enough to figure it out given time and patience. I like the idea that BioWare think we are clever enough to do this, they using our own smarts against us!!