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[Zamyslianskyj]

 I think it's most-obvious that Mass Effect 3 hasn't ended yet, unless Bioware lost touch with the fans after two (nay, three) brilliant sci-fi epics; the fact that they told us to keep our ME3 saved games hints that they have something devious planned, and I don't think it's a sequel. If they don't have anything planned - which Mike Gamble has hinted at on Twitter - then that's quite poor for an ending of such amazing games. 

Perhaps, a hidden ME3 ending embedded in the disc?! I doubt it, but its definitely not over.

[Pathero]

@Martin Perks: So it matter because it changes how you leave the galaxy. You just don't get the slightest sliver of seeing it.

@masseffect: The game has been out for a week. Don't you think you should hold off on giving up hope of ever seeing the ME universe again?

Modifié par Pathero, 13 mars 2012 - 10:04 .

[DvkZ2]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?
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@whateverlulz The sun, it shines. http://ow.ly/9DAzx

Damn you Bioware... You're rasing my hopes up! o,o

Yeah that was my tweet, amazing they answered it, I'm a little high right now

I've sent them like 5 tweets and nothing at all... You're lucky

[Mesotheyare]

Hey guys, first time posting here but this thread was a great read, so thanks for that. Just thought I'd share my opinions on a few things:

Although the work put into this research is admiring and there is quite a lot of "evidence" supporting your theory, I'd ultimately have to disagree with it. The points I've seen made are:

1. The pistol has infinite ammo. This I'd argue is simply a gameplay mechanic. If you ran out of ammo, you'd be unable to get the "Destroy" ending.

2. 1M1. I can't help but think this is seriously grasping at straws.

3. Anderson gets to the console before Shepard. I'm not sure why this supports the theory - he claims to have been dropped off somewhere else, comments on the structure changing shape, and he doesn't seem anywhere near as injured as Shepard, so there's no reason he couldn't have made it there first.

4. Shepard is too submissive to the Star Child. This is probably true, but I'd be inclined to say that's a design decision rather than a hint at something else.

5. Shepard is indoctrinated. Do Indoctrinations cause such vivid hallucinations? Why does Harbinger's laser beam cause the indocrination to start?

6. Shepard's body is in rubble. This is a fair point, but my immediate assumption was that his body simply fell back down the conduit.

This is coming from somebody who liked the endings, so perhaps my vision is clouded.

Having said all of that, the cryptic responses by the BioWare staff do lend slight creedance to this theory, and it's very interesting.

[Scottish_highlander]

IronSabbath88 wrote...

SvRec wrote...

TIM (indoctrinated) would have chosen Control
Saren (indoctrinated) would have chosen Synthesis (Why didn't they use him?)
Anderson (not indoctrinated) would have chosen Destroy

The first two were too weak willed. They failed. Shepard is the ultimate being. The Reapers want HIM.

Uncle Sam poster: I want you! To be melted down into organic sludge.

Modifié par Scottish_highlander, 13 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[k8ee]

holy gentle caress guys, the few minutes it takes me to drive home and all these crazy tweets?

[Icinix]

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Just wondering, would anyone here be dissapointed if they released an actual ending, but we were all wrong anyway?

[Bigdoser]

Trust me if this indoctrination theory is true and the patch in the true ending for FREE. I will be there fan for life.

[Ecmoose]

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*

Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.

Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.

And once again, because if they allow synthetics to reign free they
will kill ALL organic life, instead of just space faring organic life.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution or that it makes sense, would I
be here if I totally bought it?

But preserving under developed life, and wiping out all life permanently are two different things. It's kind of like the Christian belief that God punsished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit.

The reapers punish organics for making synthetic life. The difference between Reapers and God? Reapers kill Adam and Eve, and destroy the fruit as well, allowing new organic species to grow in the hopes that they won't create the death of all creation, but knowing that they probably will, so they swoop in the preserve the species that don't deserve the back lash from playing god and creating AI.

So the AI punishes organic life for creating AI? Thats seems logical.

Admiral Xen and Tali's Dad is the perfect example. Quarians make Geth, get screwed over by them, lose their planet, then go to war with them again. Xen and Tali's Dad want to take control of the Geth again. If they had succeded in that it likely would have inspired Geth to destroy all organics. Including the organics that didn't do anything to attack the Geth.

So the reapers play "savior" and they allow the lesser species to continue evolving by wiping out a threat that could potentially kill all life instead. It's akin to almost every other robot story. Where Robots become self aware and kill humans to "protect them". However in this situation the Reapers are only killing some races.

They're mass murderers with morals. 

The geth were all given counsiousnees and free will by legion in my game, and they are getting along with the quarians, EDI told me she would give her life for her friends. Clearly this info is a lie, a front, to fool shep.

Yes, all thanks to Shepard. We all know that only Shepard is able to change the cycle. That's probably the only thing the Catalyst said that's try.

[Fattness132]

ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Just wondering, would anyone here be dissapointed if they released an actual ending, but we were all wrong anyway?

I wouldnt be dissapointed. Personally as long as they conclude the story effectively it doesnt matter.

[Elendstourist]

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Can someone explain this?

[JulienJaden]

lookingglassmind wrote...

Icinix wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*

Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.

Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.

One of the key reasons that this motivation doesn't make sense to me is this.

The Reapers were built to prevent a singularity occuring because its happened before - BUT - either they were able to destroy the synthetics somehow (so false singularity?) or the Reapers were able to destroy them?

In either situation before the Reapers began harvesting organic life - they had already beaten the singularity.

They. Defeated. The. Singularity.

Then in the absence of the singularity they started trying to prevent the singularity from occuring but in doing so they committed themselves to being the singularity- for millions of years they've been butchering organic life to prevent a situation they already defeated the first the time around - and could quite possibly come back and defeat if need be again - hell - why didn't they just stick around and keep organic life from leaving their worlds through space travel? Why let them develop technology at all. One reaper checking up on each planet every hundred years should keep them in the loop of any uprising.

I am not saying that this poster is correct.

But I think this is an imperative angle of discussion for the community.

I actually think the alternative ending Arkis has written, over at DeviantArt, elaborates that idea in a pretty interesting manner.  I'll put the rest in spoilers, in case some of you want to read it (which I heartily recommend).

[spoilers]The gist of his ending is that (during an extended dialogue between the Catalyst and Shepard) the Catalyst admits to the Reapers being the first race to ever create synthetics threatening all life, which also were so powerful they couldn't destroy them (which would be an interesting take on why Harbinger is so big and powerful), so they merged with them and decided that, since they themselves found life as beings of an almost godlike technological level and scientific knowledge to be empty, all civilizations should be harvested at some point to forever keep their mistakes from repeating and also giving younger races a chance to flourish.[/spoilers]

This, of course, was only speculation on his side, but I found it interesting none the less.



Edit: Aaaand it seems the forum doesn't support

Spoiler

or [spoilers][/spoilers]...

Modifié par JulienJaden, 13 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[GBGriffin]

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?

If the geth wipe out the Quarians.

[Icinix]

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?

If you choose the Geth and can't forge an alliance.

[Pathero]

MY MIND IS BLOWN:
https://twitter.com/...688066787704832

[Zatorus]

theammo wrote...

Very rare poster on these forums, thanks for all the wonderful reading and the persistence of the OP.

I'm trying to think of what will happen next from a Bioware perspective. My theory is that there will be a DLC war continues; but not from Shepard's perspective (maybe Captain Anderson, or even Garrus as he always has your back). The war is still going on - the DLC will take the form of "we still need to get to the catalyst" with 1-2 more Reaper-defying missions.

The "real" endings will then depend on the choices made, plus how the DLC plays out. In most cases, Shepard will be dead, and the few survivors will remember him in the final days (probably the number of Normandy crew and companions dying will depend on your war assets and possibly even your final Shepard choice). In the 5000+ WA destroy ending, Shepard is discovered alive and waltzes off into the sunset with LI.

Any thoughts? No evidence for this, but would be a different twist. In addition it would allow Bioware/EA to charge for the DLC - not just endings but actual extra story.

I haven't heard this idea yet.  On one hand, I feel like the end of Shephard's story should center around Shephard, but I'd still much rather have this than nothing.  Anything that adds different types of endings is a step in the right direction.

[ReclaimedHavoc]

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?

If you screw up with the end decision on Rannoch in favor of the Geth, she takes her mask off, and then jumps off the cliff.

[Reptilian Rob]

Pathero wrote...

https://twitter.com/...688066787704832

Go on...

Modifié par Reptilian Rob, 13 mars 2012 - 10:06 .

[balance5050]

manjikengo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*

Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.

Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.

And once again, because if they allow synthetics to reign free they
will kill ALL organic life, instead of just space faring organic life.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution or that it makes sense, would I
be here if I totally bought it?

But preserving under developed life, and wiping out all life permanently are two different things. It's kind of like the Christian belief that God punsished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit.

The reapers punish organics for making synthetic life. The difference between Reapers and God? Reapers kill Adam and Eve, and destroy the fruit as well, allowing new organic species to grow in the hopes that they won't create the death of all creation, but knowing that they probably will, so they swoop in the preserve the species that don't deserve the back lash from playing god and creating AI.

So the AI punishes organic life for creating AI? Thats seems logical.

The reapers were a sentient race of organics that turned themselves into giant synthetic crawdiddies to kill and process the collective thoughts of the races they kill and turn them into more reapers, thus preserving the sentient life they extinguished, ALL the while leaving the young races alive to flourish and become space worthy after 50k years, just to get killed.

I think they do it less to "preserve" and more to advance there own race. The only thing tha was actually preserved was the Prothean Javik, and that was in spite of the reapers.

[Fattness132]

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?

If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff .

[c.lazarus90]

NalaG wrote...

So, that's me from germany, just registering to discuss here with you.
I finished Mass Effect 3 on sunday and since them I'm in some sort of Denial/Anger phase. Don't know which it is exactly, but this thread helped me a bit. Well, it helped a lot and right now I am just waiting for the: Okay, here's your real ending.

Just want a chance to explain why I am angry:

Some say it's because my Paragon Shep didn't get her Happy End. So, let's be honest: I worked really hard to get her an happy end with Garrus by her side.

But aside from that it's something much more troubleing, because the end of ME3 is inconsistent with anything I'm used from Bioware. I've always been a huge fan of your games: I played Baldurs Gate (one of my very first games). I played multiple playthroughs of Dragon Age Origins and I've done my share of playthroughs on ME1&ME2.

And I loved your games because they gave me something incredible unique: I could DECIDE how the Story goes. I actually feeled like participating in an interactive adventure and not another Game Companies idea of basically doing a film with me shooting things inbetween.

When I played DAO it was always unique: My bitter Dwarf-Princess, I'll never forget her, making the hard choices and gettin' a real bitter ending. But there was also my human nobel who, despite losing everything she had, had been good. She married Alistair in the end, became queen (and got did I work hard for that ending).
The same in Me1&2. You gave me the opportunity to create a story, a different character with it's own ending. something unique that was totally my own.

I loved every second of Mass Effect 3. Mordin, one of my favorites, died - but I was okay with that, cried for full 5 minutes but it was for something good. There was a reason, something I could accept and it was my choice. Maybe I could save him with another, more ruthles shepard. The same goes for Thane and Legion. God, those were really great moments, maybe the best I've experienced so far in any medium.

After 29hours and a few minutes, gathering War assets, grinding and fighting like hell, watching my shepard going weary and feeling with him I guided her to run down to the citadel things, avoiding harbinger.

That's were everything collapses. Implodes. Everything I loved about your games, everything I loved about Mass Effect just simply gone. There were no different endings like in Dragon Age (and, be honest: That one had it's own kind of Reapers). I was totally taken aback. I wanted THAT ending that fitted my decision and that I felt you promised me. That's why I spent my hard earned money on this game. Because my actions would make a difference in the end. Wouldn't they? Apparantely no.

And then I got very, very, very angry. Now: Wanting to throw your CE against the next wall MAY be an emotional respose to your game, but perhapse not the one you should be aiming for in your audience.

Now I'm fully into the Indoctrination/Halluzination theory. It makes a lot more sense then whatever your end is and it gives me just enough hope to maybe enjoy annother 29 hours and 30 minutes of a great gaming.

There is no Shepard without Vakarian.

Good Evening,

please excuse my somewhat bad english.

Exactly my thoughts. The last 6 days were horrid. First I thought that Amazon wouldn't send me the game in time. Got it on Thursday, finished Sunday, found this thread right afterwards, was indoctrinated by it.
I even noticed myself quoting Goethe: Jetz steh ich hier ich armer Tor und bin so klug als wie zuvor. Passt einfach besser denn je...
Patience we must have. The Force is strong within these BioWare ones.

[BrutalPriest]

Hey all after starting again about 20 minutes ago, i noticed something which im not sure has been covered or not but if you look at Anderson's abilities under his Alliance Admiral he can get extra Sniper rifle damage and extra assult rifle damage. This may not sound like much to go on but think about it why would he have bonuses like that if you only have him with you at the start.

[Reptilian Rob]

Bigdoser wrote...

Trust me if this indoctrination theory is true and the patch in the true ending for FREE. I will be there fan for life.

I would go a step further and let them have their way with me.