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#9201
Little Lummo

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Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?



Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?


If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff :(.


Oh god am i glad that didn't happen to me!! That would have been heartbreaking :crying:

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[quote]Thermorium wrote...

[quote]Maike91 wrote...

[quote]Descedent wrote...

 
http://www.me3finalhours.com/[/quote]

:blink:

[/quote]

Um....what? 

#9203
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IronSabbath88 wrote...

SvRec wrote...

TIM (indoctrinated) would have chosen Control
Saren (indoctrinated) would have chosen Synthesis (Why didn't they use him?)
Anderson (not indoctrinated) would have chosen Destroy


The first two were too weak willed. They failed. Shepard is the ultimate being. The Reapers want HIM.


I think you missed my point. It just shows another point why Destroy is the right choice and the rest is Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard. Though I'm still not buying the thesis to 100% until it's confirmed. Also by them "them" I mean the dev team.

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Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?



Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?


If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff :(.



Thanks guys.

Good thing I forged that alliance :)

#9205
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Read this... whether is a lie or not... i smuch better than this bullcrap we got

http://www.gamefaqs....fect-3/62230265


READ

#9206
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Pathero wrote...

MY MIND IS BLOWN:
https://twitter.com/...688066787704832



Well, they didn't do anything but say what we already know: That there'll be more Mass Effect games. Just not with Shepard as the main character.

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Mesotheyare wrote...

Hey guys, first time posting here but this thread was a great read, so thanks for that. Just thought I'd share my opinions on a few things:

Although the work put into this research is admiring and there is quite a lot of "evidence" supporting your theory, I'd ultimately have to disagree with it. The points I've seen made are:

1. The pistol has infinite ammo. This I'd argue is simply a gameplay mechanic. If you ran out of ammo, you'd be unable to get the "Destroy" ending.

I agree.

2. 1M1. I can't help but think this is seriously grasping at straws.

I agree as well.

3. Anderson gets to the console before Shepard. I'm not sure why this supports the theory - he claims to have been dropped off somewhere else, comments on the structure changing shape, and he doesn't seem anywhere near as injured as Shepard, so there's no reason he couldn't have made it there first.

Anderson mentions this, but it doesn't look to be accurate. The entire structure is one long hallway, and that's all you can see from where you are AND from seeing the Citadel from space. Seeing moving walls is also one of the signs of indoctrination.

4. Shepard is too submissive to the Star Child. This is probably true, but I'd be inclined to say that's a design decision rather than a hint at something else.

The entire game has been built on major choices, Shepard believing himself, the individuality of the galaxy, working together, etc. All 3 choices are submissive.

5. Shepard is indoctrinated. Do Indoctrinations cause such vivid hallucinations? Why does Harbinger's laser beam cause the indocrination to start?

Indoctrination could have started at any point between ME2 and current day, it's a slow process. However, Reapers can directly speed up the process greatly if they chose to, but they have to be nearby.

6. Shepard's body is in rubble. This is a fair point, but my immediate assumption was that his body simply fell back down the conduit.

It seems unlikely that he/she would fall back down, after the explosions on the Citadel. Either the Citadel is destroyed, and Shepaard somehow ended up on the ground, or Shepard never left.

This is coming from somebody who liked the endings, so perhaps my vision is clouded.

Having said all of that, the cryptic responses by the BioWare staff do lend slight creedance to this theory, and it's very interesting.


Modifié par savionen, 13 mars 2012 - 10:11 .


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balance5050 wrote...

manjikengo wrote...

balance5050 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Ainyan42 wrote...

Ecmoose wrote...

Reptilian Rob wrote...

*picsnip*


Cute, food for thought though:

Synthetics killing all organic life forever, never allowing life to form again, is much different the synthetics reseting the galactic clock and allowing new organic life to bloom. Of course, you'd have to actually listen to the ending to understand that.



Except if you actually listened to the ending, you would hear the GodChild stating that they created the Reapers in response to the fact that it is inevitable that organic-created synthetics would rise up against their creators and destroy them. Every time a civilization reaches the point where they begin creating an AI, the Reapers are brought in to stop it by destroying the civilization responsible for creating the AI. Hence, the meme.


And once again, because if they allow synthetics to reign free they
will kill ALL organic life, instead of just space faring organic life.
I'm not saying it's a perfect solution or that it makes sense, would I
be here if I totally bought it?

But preserving under developed life, and wiping out all life permanently are two different things. It's kind of like the Christian belief that God punsished Adam and Eve for eating the forbidden fruit.

The reapers punish organics for making synthetic life. The difference between Reapers and God? Reapers kill Adam and Eve, and destroy the fruit as well, allowing new organic species to grow in the hopes that they won't create the death of all creation, but knowing that they probably will, so they swoop in the preserve the species that don't deserve the back lash from playing god and creating AI.


So the AI punishes organic life for creating AI? Thats seems logical.


The reapers were a sentient race of organics that turned themselves into giant synthetic crawdiddies to kill and process the collective thoughts of the races they kill and turn them into more reapers, thus preserving the sentient life they extinguished, ALL the while leaving the young races alive to flourish and become space worthy after 50k years, just to get killed.


I think they do it less to "preserve" and more to advance there own race. The only thing tha was actually preserved was the Prothean Javik, and that was in spite of the reapers.


NVM, interpreted post incorrectly.

Modifié par Ecmoose, 13 mars 2012 - 10:12 .


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Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

probably talking about tali killing herself if you don't paragon or renegade the quarian fleet on rannoch

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Elendstourist wrote...

Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?



Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?


If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff :(.



Thanks guys.

Good thing I forged that alliance :)


It didnt happen in my canon playthrough either (since i romanced Tali) thankfully. But i heard about it on the spoiler forums and went and looked on youtube....i died a little inside :crying:.

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If this really turns out to be true, I will be sitting in front of my PC, shouting "TAKE MY MONEY! TAKE MY MONEY!"

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Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?



Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?


If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff :(.



Thanks guys.

Good thing I forged that alliance :)


It didnt happen in my canon playthrough either (since i romanced Tali) thankfully. But i heard about it on the spoiler forums and went and looked on youtube....i died a little inside :crying:.


I expected some last minute chance to save things, so i actually went with the Geth....when I realised what happened I panicked and restarted my last save 40 minutes back.

#9213
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Pathero wrote...

FINALLY registered my copy. Been lurking and messaging people to post twitters (Thanks to all those who helped!) could someone who has made it to the end zoom in on the face in this scene
at 2.26

Is it just me or does that look like a human skull on a normal body?



uhhh is that male corpse Garrus? The armor looks way too bulky for humans...

#9214
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JulienJaden wrote...

Pathero wrote...

MY MIND IS BLOWN:
https://twitter.com/...688066787704832



Well, they didn't do anything but say what we already know: That there'll be more Mass Effect games. Just not with Shepard as the main character.


Here, try some Kool Aide.

Seriously though. Try the Kool Aide.

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All this theorizing and dev teasing is gonna make my head explode.

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at least now they have time to write and polish a proper ending... i hope that ea won't put its filthy hands on it

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ReclaimedHavoc wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

Can someone explain this?


Edit: I quoted the wrong post >.>

Modifié par Wuyunk, 13 mars 2012 - 10:14 .


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Outlaw704 wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?

probably talking about tali killing herself if you don't paragon or renegade the quarian fleet on rannoch

Wait, does that mean somethings are not legitimate occurences?

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I hope it's all part of a bigger plan. Too many holes in the ending.

#9220
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Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Fattness132 wrote...

Elendstourist wrote...

Icinix wrote...

@MythOfEchelon
Umm.. Shepard and Tali just had sex and stuff but.. Tali killed herself.. Glitch? Hallucination? It didn't say. :S @masseffect?

@masseffect
@mythofechelon Depends on your actions in the game, but that is a legitimate occurrence.

Wait a minute - a legitimate occurrence..?



Tali killed herself? Where did that happen?


If you side with the geth (no paragon/renegade choice) on rannoch, they destroy the quarians and tali throws herself off of a cliff :(.



Thanks guys.

Good thing I forged that alliance :)


It didnt happen in my canon playthrough either (since i romanced Tali) thankfully. But i heard about it on the spoiler forums and went and looked on youtube....i died a little inside :crying:.



I would have done too. Same with Garrus, Liara, Wrex, the lot.

Just another sign of how great the game made us feel with the characters. I have never ever felt so much connected to a game or a story. And normaly, I dont give a damn about the story. But at some places in the game, I was close to shedding manly tears :D

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I lold hard: https://twitter.com/...691618088140800

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manjikengo wrote...

Pathero wrote...

FINALLY registered my copy. Been lurking and messaging people to post twitters (Thanks to all those who helped!) could someone who has made it to the end zoom in on the face in this scene
at 2.26

Is it just me or does that look like a human skull on a normal body?



uhhh is that male corpse Garrus? The armor looks way too bulky for humans...


Don't think so.  The body looks human rather than the typical Turian.  ALso the head doesn't look like one.

Modifié par Pathero, 13 mars 2012 - 10:15 .


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DvkZ2 wrote...

@masseffect I still want to believe you guys are sneaky trolls and have something going on you don't tell us yet. Can I get a cryptic reply?
Mass Effect Mass Effect ‏ @masseffect

Close

@whateverlulz The sun, it shines. http://ow.ly/9DAzx

Damn you Bioware... You're rasing my hopes up! o,o


LMAO WHAT? Now I'm almost sure they're trolling us. Oh man, if only this were true we totally deserve it for always jumping to conclusions. 

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Elendstourist wrote...

If this really turns out to be true, I will be sitting in front of my PC, shouting "TAKE MY MONEY! TAKE MY MONEY!"


I'll be stuffing my credit card into my Xbox memory card slot like a demented warthog... Who has a credit card... And an xbox..?

#9225
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SvRec wrote...

IronSabbath88 wrote...

SvRec wrote...

TIM (indoctrinated) would have chosen Control
Saren (indoctrinated) would have chosen Synthesis (Why didn't they use him?)
Anderson (not indoctrinated) would have chosen Destroy


The first two were too weak willed. They failed. Shepard is the ultimate being. The Reapers want HIM.


I think you missed my point. It just shows another point why Destroy is the right choice and the rest is Reapers trying to indoctrinate Shepard. Though I'm still not buying the thesis to 100% until it's confirmed. Also by them "them" I mean the dev team.


I agree with you @]SvRec  ... from game 1 the mission is to destroy the reapers. Any other choice would be a fail. It's funny how in ME3 they keep telling the gamer that not everyone will survive. The turian tells Shepard that one of the problems with humans is that they think they can save everyone while the prothean says not everyone can survive.

These (to me) are clues that once in that decision you must move forward and stay on course of destroying the reapers ... I did not choose TIM or Saren's path but Shepard's.